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Any idea why PCGS called this Altered Surface? WARNING big images - FLAW FOUND AND REVEALED
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EDIT: WTCG and Sinin1 got it. Took it to the VP of our club who owns a coin shop. Took him a bit, but there is light alteration in front of Liberty in the field. You have to hold the coin at the right angle and have liberty facing you to see the hairlines.
When I initially looked at the coin, the luster looked good and only broke where that area is but as a rookie mistake I did not examine the coin from ALL angles. I looked at it with date facing me and the field looked good.
This alteration is so good, I'm taking this coin, a PCGS graded 1902 S $1 and an obvious altered Morgan dollar and do a presentation on grading. I'm sure lots of the club members are going to miss the alteration on the coin above. This will be a good learning presentation that will benefit everyone.
Thanks for looking everyone.
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Sorry for such large images but I think they are needed for people to get a good look at the coin.
I am not sure why this coin came back altered surface. Liberty's cheek looks fine (not thumbed) to me, and the reverse looks good to. The only thing I can think of, is the marks on the eagles breast and or the word "trust". Other then that, I have no idea.
It's an 1890 CC
Thanks for any input.
When I initially looked at the coin, the luster looked good and only broke where that area is but as a rookie mistake I did not examine the coin from ALL angles. I looked at it with date facing me and the field looked good.
This alteration is so good, I'm taking this coin, a PCGS graded 1902 S $1 and an obvious altered Morgan dollar and do a presentation on grading. I'm sure lots of the club members are going to miss the alteration on the coin above. This will be a good learning presentation that will benefit everyone.
Thanks for looking everyone.
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ORIGINAL TEXT:
Sorry for such large images but I think they are needed for people to get a good look at the coin.
I am not sure why this coin came back altered surface. Liberty's cheek looks fine (not thumbed) to me, and the reverse looks good to. The only thing I can think of, is the marks on the eagles breast and or the word "trust". Other then that, I have no idea.
It's an 1890 CC
Thanks for any input.
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The name is LEE!
From experience, Morgans that share that similar look will more often than not be ungradeable.
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but can be seen when rotating the coin under light
others have mentioned the cheek
I am wondering about the field area below the chin to the 3rd star
thumbed, puttied, whizzed, plated, - PCGS saw something
and probably just a little area covering a problem
When I initially looked at the coin, the luster looked good and only broke where that area is but as a rookie mistake I did not examine the coin from ALL angles. I looked at it with date facing me and the field looked good.
This alteration is so good, I'm taking this coin, a PCGS graded 1902 S $1 and an obvious altered Morgan dollar and do a presentation on grading. I'm sure lots of the club members are going to miss the alteration on the coin above. This will be a good learning presentation that will benefit everyone.
Thanks for looking everyone.
<< <i>Hard to tell from the pics, but Liberties cheek looks fishy, perhaps puttied? >>
Cheek looks thumbed.
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<< <i>If you want to try an experiment, a bath in acetone will remove any putty or thumbing... >>
Acetone doesn't remove the effects of thumbing which involves taking some nose grease and rubbing it with your thumb into Liberty's cheek. The friction dulls any marks on the cheek and helps them to blend into the surrounding surfaces.
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<< <i>If you want to try an experiment, a bath in acetone will remove any putty or thumbing... >>
Acetone doesn't remove the effects of thumbing which involves taking some nose grease and rubbing it with your thumb into Liberty's cheek. The friction dulls any marks on the cheek and helps them to blend into the surrounding surfaces. >>
Acetone will remove the nose grease, if the surface of the metal has been modified by friction, it will not remove that.
<< <i>I am probably wrong, but the area at the very bottom of the bust, where it comes to a point, looks altered to me. >>
FlynJack, is your browser Firefox? If it is, get zoomFox, it's a free program. When I zoomFox that area, it looks like just a small dent, not a die anomaly.
<< <i>I am not sure why this coin came back altered surface. Liberty's cheek looks fine (not thumbed) to me, and the reverse looks good to. The only thing I can think of, is the marks on the eagles breast and or the word "trust". Other then that, I have no idea.
It's an 1890 CC
Thanks for any input. >>
That's crazy. Take it out of that slab and put it in a cheap air-tight or send it off to another TPG (NGC, SEGS, whomever).