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<< <i>Looking forward to 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932, and 1933 PDS peace dollars. >>
Why stop there? Do 1936-63 as well!!!!!! >>
What about 1965-1970? >>
Do those in 40% silver!!!!!
LOL!
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I'm not surprised that there is a differnce of opinion as to whether Copy is required or not. I am surprised at the cavalier attitude of some members who state that they don't care if it violates the law; that they want one anyway. These same posters state that they would not want it if it had the copy stamp.
With all of the (rightly directed) venom at Chinese counterfieters that can be found on these forums, and all the ebay police who feel a need to report auctions as being counterfiets, I am just surprised that Mr. Carr would get a free pass just because he is seen as a great artist. If its wrong for the Chinese counterfieters to make 1964-D Peace Dollars without "Copy" stamps, then it is wrong for Mr. Carr to do it.
<< <i>I'm not surprised that there is a differnce of opinion as to whether Copy is required or not. I am surprised at the cavalier attitude of some members who state that they don't care if it violates the law; that they want one anyway. These same posters state that they would not want it if it had the copy stamp.
With all of the (rightly directed) venom at Chinese counterfieters that can be found on these forums, and all the ebay police who feel a need to report auctions as being counterfiets, I am just surprised that Mr. Carr would get a free pass just because he is seen as a great artist. If its wrong for the Chinese counterfieters to make 1964-D Peace Dollars without "Copy" stamps, then it is wrong for Mr. Carr to do it. >>
Note in my journal: I agreed with an attorney today, my death must be fast approaching. Goodbye world!
My coins arrived today as well and after close examination, there is simply no way these could ever be considered anything other than an aftermarket restrike piece. (Note : My comments are not a bash on Daniels work, simply observations.)
Yes they do look nice but definitely not on par with a typical Matte Finish mint product. Very grainy on most of the surfaces with a few sunken areas. Some evidence of overlap as well. The lettering appears very weak with the exception of the mintmark which is crisp.
Coin A Note the apparent overlap on the forehead and nose?
Remnants of a 2 ??
Interesting Strike through as the blue is in the coin.
Coin B Milk Spot!
Note the overlap on the Neck. Also note the sunken area just behind the neck.
Note the overlap on the Wing.
Note the grainy texture of the fields. This creates the illusion of a satin finish but under close examination is much too course.
Overall, nice looking coins in hand but definitely not something which could be confused with a US Mint product.
I'm one the fence. I also expect that, given the overall quality, PCGS may NOT want to have anything to do with these. (Unless thats been addressed prior to this post)
UPDATE! PCGS will NOT holder these coins.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Raybob15239 I guess because of your lawyer credentials you too are quick to condemn Mr.Carr for his artistry.He has employed his modern skills as the artist as the famous Hobo Nickles using technology that was not available years ago.His exchange of ..Media..is the same.Either you accept it or reject it.There is no deception...
<< <i>.....My coins arrived today as well and after close examination, there is simply no way these could ever be considered anything other than an aftermarket restrike piece. (Note : My comments are not a bash on Daniels work, simply observations.).... >>
Lee, since very few, if any, collectors have ever seen a genuine one, they wont know how Mr. Carr's compare.
Sure, the more informed crowd might not have a problem ascertaining the hypothetical difference, but for the public at large, it will be a very different story. And that doesn't count all of the bidders on Ebay who are fooled by counterfeits, fantasy pieces, etc,. which look FAR less convincing than these coins.
<< <i>Raybob15239 I guess because of your lawyer credentials you too are quick to condemn Mr.Carr for his artistry.He has employed his modern skills as the artist as the famous Hobo Nickles using technology that was not available years ago.His exchange of ..Media..is the same.Either you accept it or reject it.There is no deception... >>
I do not condemn him for his artistry (whatever that means). This is not akin to hobo nickels. In those cases, the artist used the nickel as a medium to carve an original artistic work that changed the appearance of the nickel so substantially, that except for its size and shape, it was not recognizable as a buffalo nickel. Here, Mr. Carr is overstriking real Peace Dollars with an exacting copy of the Peace Dollar design except that he has changed the date and made a few minor changes that most non-collectors and many collectors would fail to notice.
Mr. Carr, as I've stated above, is an exceptional artist. I think that his work on these coins is incredible. However, I also believe that the HPA requires that "COPY" be stamped into the coin. Sending letters to the government requesting an opinion and getting none back does not change anything. If he has consulted a lawyer who advised him that this was legal, I hope that he got a formal legal opinion letter so that he has recourse against that lawyer for his costs should the Secret Service come knocking at his door.
<< <i>.....My coins arrived today as well and after close examination, there is simply no way these could ever be considered anything other than an aftermarket restrike piece. (Note : My comments are not a bash on Daniels work, simply observations.).... >>
Lee, since very few, if any, collectors have ever seen a genuine one, they wont know how Mr. Carr's compare.
Sure, the more informed crowd might not have a problem ascertaining the hypothetical difference, but for the public at large, it will be a very different story. And that doesn't count all of the bidders on Ebay who are fooled by counterfeits, fantasy pieces, etc,. which look FAR less convincing than these coins. >>
I wish I could control what the crooks in the world do but I cannot and I fully understand your line of thinking. As with anything regarding coins, folks need to do their homework. Especially before shelling out hard earned money of any amount.
BTW, I just received an email from PCGS stating that they would NOT holder this coin.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Hmmmm..... my "overlap" or "shadowing" is primarily on the lettering. I've a weak part of a tail feather. I'm not sure if it was struckthrough or just a problem with the restriking process.
No bag marks or even reed marks does kind of flag this coin as not mint produced. Obviously, the satin finish is a dead give away as well. Compared to the rest of the coin, the mintmark looks totally fake. Someone would pull out the loupe on it right away. It's an obvious fake, but a decent looking one. My kid looked at it and asked if it was fake.
And there's another idea... change the reeding on the edge. That would be another way to differentiate them.
<< <i>Looking forward to 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932, and 1933 PDS peace dollars. >>
Why stop there? Do 1936-63 as well!!!!!! >>
What about 1965-1970? >>
Do those in 40% silver!!!!!
LOL!
Overstruck on 40% IKEs!! yes! >>
Both Apollo 11 AND Bicentennial reverses!!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>Per Lee's discovery, we can now look forward to collecting these by varieties!
Will VAM step up? (That 1964/2 is awesome.) >>
MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I'm not surprised that there is a differnce of opinion as to whether Copy is required or not. I am surprised at the cavalier attitude of some members who state that they don't care if it violates the law; that they want one anyway. These same posters state that they would not want it if it had the copy stamp.
With all of the (rightly directed) venom at Chinese counterfieters that can be found on these forums, and all the ebay police who feel a need to report auctions as being counterfiets, I am just surprised that Mr. Carr would get a free pass just because he is seen as a great artist. If its wrong for the Chinese counterfieters to make 1964-D Peace Dollars without "Copy" stamps, then it is wrong for Mr. Carr to do it. >>
Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. You have now gone too far. From being a bonafide skeptic to becoming an opposition advocate. You've got good points, but you don't give equal weight to the counter-points in this argument. Thus, you're comments are no longer neutral, but rather one-sided in this argument, IMHO!
Cheers!
Kirk
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<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
<< <i>The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are. >>
Well, of course if you add to the scenario I presented something I never said, you'll likely get a different result. I'll repeat, with an addition:
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, and marketed in exactly the same way, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
<< <i>The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are. >>
ACTUALLY... how do you know that? I'm in Afghanistan, where they sell tons of fake Chinese made coins, and the shop owners disclose that they're fake. So first party sellers provide proper disclosure, at least in Afghanistan.
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
True except we do have Daniels word that the coins are minted on authentic Peace Dollars. This give's them bullion value whereas the Chinese coins would require some testing to determine what they are made from. At $3 to $5 each, I somehow don't think its silver.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>True except we do have Daniels word that the coins are minted on authentic Peace Dollars. >>
I'm pretty sure if you're in China, you can get authentic Peace dollars if you want them. And I'd bet that there are at least a couple of people in China whose word could be depended upon.
Nobody seems to want to answer my question without adding irrelevant conditions.
edited to add...
<< <i>At $3 to $5 each, I somehow don't think its silver. >>
That kind of pricing wasn't included in my question either, BTW.
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are. >>
One thing I do remember from the Chinese Counterfeit story that ran in Coin World is that they pever stated the coins were real. They were simply proud that they could create a reasonable copy. Additionally, the coins were not sold as real, at least not by Jinghuashei the subject of the article, but sold as "hole fillers".
It was the greedy purchasers which flipped them by not mentioning they were "replica" coins. The Chinese are simply doing what the Chinese have always done, provide knock off products at cheap prices. They did it when I was a kid 55 years ago and they're doing it still.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are. >>
Well, of course if you add to the scenario I presented something I never said, you'll likely get a different result. I'll repeat, with an addition:
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, and marketed in exactly the same way, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are? >>
Obviously not since the Chinese product is not minted from authentic Peace Dollars but some other cheap alloy which only looks like silver.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Obviously not since the Chinese product is not minted from authentic Peace Dollars but some other cheap alloy which only looks like silver. >>
I'm curious- why are you ignoring my question and answering one you made up? I specifically said: "If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials..."
Not "some other cheap alloy"- the exact same materials.
<< <i>Obviously not since the Chinese product is not minted from authentic Peace Dollars but some other cheap alloy which only looks like silver. >>
I'm curious- why are you ignoring my question and answering one you made up? I specifically said: "If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials..."
Not "some other cheap alloy"- the exact same materials. >>
The art of deception... misinformation... estrogen!
<< <i>Obviously not since the Chinese product is not minted from authentic Peace Dollars but some other cheap alloy which only looks like silver. >>
I'm curious- why are you ignoring my question and answering one you made up? I specifically said: "If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials..."
Not "some other cheap alloy"- the exact same materials. >>
No.
Is that better?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< My kid looked at it and asked if it was fake. >> - Mrs. M
Hi there
I guess your kid is not familiar with the subtle die changes - so what does this say about the "artistry" of the coin? I have read a few other comments that it just looks very fake. Is it worth the $110 now?
<< <i>If these coins were being sold by Chinese folks on E-bay do you think all their spelling would be correct on their site... >>
Probably not, but since sellers in the US have incorrectly spelled words on their websites, I'd think you could probably cut the Chinese a little slack in that area.
<< <i>If these coins were being sold by Chinese folks on E-bay do you think all their spelling would be correct on their site... >>
Probably not, but since sellers in the US have incorrectly spelled words on their websites, I'd think you could probably cut the Chinese a little slack in that area. >>
The comparisons to Chinese fakes got me thinking but it seems to me that a good number of them are attempting to copy circulated coins of a moderate price range where the level of scrutiny would be minimal and therefore more dangerous for collectors. A coin like the 64 Peace, if thought to be real, would attract alot of attention and go for high dollars and it would be carefully looked at anyone planning to spend big bucks. When looked at by an expert, the truth would come out about its authenticity so the chances of a sucessful con would be slim. If someone tried to put it in a fake PCGS holder what would they use as the certification number since none have ever been certified?
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
Nah, the ones coming from China have COPY stamped on them...These are not mine... >>
I will send your won replica coins out within 2 days after get your payment.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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<< <i>Looking forward to 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932, and 1933 PDS peace dollars. >>
Why stop there?
Do 1936-63 as well!!!!!! >>
What about 1965-1970?
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<< <i>Looking forward to 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932, and 1933 PDS peace dollars. >>
Why stop there?
Do 1936-63 as well!!!!!! >>
What about 1965-1970? >>
Do those in 40% silver!!!!!
LOL!
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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MJ >>
...and I thought I was premature!
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MJ >>
...and I thought I was premature!
I can't believe I read them, each and everyone!
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With all of the (rightly directed) venom at Chinese counterfieters that can be found on these forums, and all the ebay police who feel a need to report auctions as being counterfiets, I am just surprised that Mr. Carr would get a free pass just because he is seen as a great artist. If its wrong for the Chinese counterfieters to make 1964-D Peace Dollars without "Copy" stamps, then it is wrong for Mr. Carr to do it.
<< <i>I'm not surprised that there is a differnce of opinion as to whether Copy is required or not. I am surprised at the cavalier attitude of some members who state that they don't care if it violates the law; that they want one anyway. These same posters state that they would not want it if it had the copy stamp.
With all of the (rightly directed) venom at Chinese counterfieters that can be found on these forums, and all the ebay police who feel a need to report auctions as being counterfiets, I am just surprised that Mr. Carr would get a free pass just because he is seen as a great artist. If its wrong for the Chinese counterfieters to make 1964-D Peace Dollars without "Copy" stamps, then it is wrong for Mr. Carr to do it. >>
Note in my journal: I agreed with an attorney today, my death must be fast approaching. Goodbye world!
Yes they do look nice but definitely not on par with a typical Matte Finish mint product. Very grainy on most of the surfaces with a few sunken areas. Some evidence of overlap as well. The lettering appears very weak with the exception of the mintmark which is crisp.
Coin A
Note the apparent overlap on the forehead and nose?
Remnants of a 2 ??
Interesting Strike through as the blue is in the coin.
Coin B
Milk Spot!
Note the overlap on the Neck. Also note the sunken area just behind the neck.
Note the overlap on the Wing.
Note the grainy texture of the fields. This creates the illusion of a satin finish but under close examination is much too course.
Overall, nice looking coins in hand but definitely not something which could be confused with a US Mint product.
I'm one the fence. I also expect that, given the overall quality, PCGS may NOT want to have anything to do with these. (Unless thats been addressed prior to this post)
UPDATE! PCGS will NOT holder these coins.
The name is LEE!
I guess because of your lawyer credentials you too are quick to condemn Mr.Carr for his artistry.He has employed his modern skills as the artist as the famous Hobo Nickles using technology that was not available years ago.His exchange of ..Media..is the same.Either you accept it or reject it.There is no deception...
Will VAM step up? (That 1964/2 is awesome.)
peacockcoins
Why stop there?
Do 1936-63 as well!!!!!! >>
What about 1965-1970? >>
Do those in 40% silver!!!!!
LOL!
Overstruck on 40% IKEs!! yes!
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
<< <i>.....My coins arrived today as well and after close examination, there is simply no way these could ever be considered anything other than an aftermarket restrike piece. (Note : My comments are not a bash on Daniels work, simply observations.).... >>
Lee, since very few, if any, collectors have ever seen a genuine one, they wont know how Mr. Carr's compare.
Sure, the more informed crowd might not have a problem ascertaining the hypothetical difference, but for the public at large, it will be a very different story. And that doesn't count all of the bidders on Ebay who are fooled by counterfeits, fantasy pieces, etc,. which look FAR less convincing than these coins.
<< <i>Raybob15239
I guess because of your lawyer credentials you too are quick to condemn Mr.Carr for his artistry.He has employed his modern skills as the artist as the famous Hobo Nickles using technology that was not available years ago.His exchange of ..Media..is the same.Either you accept it or reject it.There is no deception... >>
I do not condemn him for his artistry (whatever that means). This is not akin to hobo nickels. In those cases, the artist used the nickel as a medium to carve an original artistic work that changed the appearance of the nickel so substantially, that except for its size and shape, it was not recognizable as a buffalo nickel. Here, Mr. Carr is overstriking real Peace Dollars with an exacting copy of the Peace Dollar design except that he has changed the date and made a few minor changes that most non-collectors and many collectors would fail to notice.
Mr. Carr, as I've stated above, is an exceptional artist. I think that his work on these coins is incredible. However, I also believe that the HPA requires that "COPY" be stamped into the coin. Sending letters to the government requesting an opinion and getting none back does not change anything. If he has consulted a lawyer who advised him that this was legal, I hope that he got a formal legal opinion letter so that he has recourse against that lawyer for his costs should the Secret Service come knocking at his door.
<< <i>
<< <i>.....My coins arrived today as well and after close examination, there is simply no way these could ever be considered anything other than an aftermarket restrike piece. (Note : My comments are not a bash on Daniels work, simply observations.).... >>
Lee, since very few, if any, collectors have ever seen a genuine one, they wont know how Mr. Carr's compare.
Sure, the more informed crowd might not have a problem ascertaining the hypothetical difference, but for the public at large, it will be a very different story. And that doesn't count all of the bidders on Ebay who are fooled by counterfeits, fantasy pieces, etc,. which look FAR less convincing than these coins. >>
I wish I could control what the crooks in the world do but I cannot and I fully understand your line of thinking. As with anything regarding coins, folks need to do their homework. Especially before shelling out hard earned money of any amount.
BTW, I just received an email from PCGS stating that they would NOT holder this coin.
The name is LEE!
saves tons of trouble...
Hmmmm..... my "overlap" or "shadowing" is primarily on the lettering. I've a weak part of a tail feather. I'm not sure if it was struckthrough or just a problem with the restriking process.
No bag marks or even reed marks does kind of flag this coin as not mint produced. Obviously, the satin finish is a dead give away as well. Compared to the rest of the coin, the mintmark looks totally fake. Someone would pull out the loupe on it right away. It's an obvious fake, but a decent looking one. My kid looked at it and asked if it was fake.
And there's another idea... change the reeding on the edge. That would be another way to differentiate them.
<< <i>My kid looked at it and asked if it was fake. >>
MsMorrisine, Good to hear... but now how many of these will fall into the hands of collectors as genuine who are not as smart as a 5th grader
<< <i>Looking forward to 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932, and 1933 PDS peace dollars. >>
Why stop there?
Do 1936-63 as well!!!!!! >>
What about 1965-1970? >>
Do those in 40% silver!!!!!
LOL!
Overstruck on 40% IKEs!! yes! >>
Both Apollo 11 AND Bicentennial reverses!!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>Per Lee's discovery, we can now look forward to collecting these by varieties!
Will VAM step up? (That 1964/2 is awesome.) >>
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>
<< <i>Looking forward to 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932, and 1933 PDS peace dollars. >>
Why stop there?
Do 1936-63 as well!!!!!! >>
What about 1965-1970? >>
Do those in 40% silver!!!!!
LOL!
Overstruck on 40% IKEs!! yes! >>
Both Apollo 11 AND Bicentennial reverses!!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's run it right into say ..... a nice 1798 - 1799 Flowing hair set to include all denom's...
<< <i>BTW, I just received an email from PCGS stating that they would NOT holder this coin. >>
It's taking so long to get any coins graded lately I'm afraid they might not holder ANY coins.
<< <i>I'm not surprised that there is a differnce of opinion as to whether Copy is required or not. I am surprised at the cavalier attitude of some members who state that they don't care if it violates the law; that they want one anyway. These same posters state that they would not want it if it had the copy stamp.
With all of the (rightly directed) venom at Chinese counterfieters that can be found on these forums, and all the ebay police who feel a need to report auctions as being counterfiets, I am just surprised that Mr. Carr would get a free pass just because he is seen as a great artist. If its wrong for the Chinese counterfieters to make 1964-D Peace Dollars without "Copy" stamps, then it is wrong for Mr. Carr to do it. >>
Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. You have now gone too far. From being a bonafide skeptic to becoming an opposition advocate. You've got good points, but you don't give equal weight to the counter-points in this argument. Thus, you're comments are no longer neutral, but rather one-sided in this argument, IMHO!
Cheers!
Kirk
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<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no.
<< <i>
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
Nah, the ones coming from China have COPY stamped on them...
<< <i>The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are. >>
Well, of course if you add to the scenario I presented something I never said, you'll likely get a different result. I'll repeat, with an addition:
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, and marketed in exactly the same way, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
<< <i>The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are. >>
ACTUALLY... how do you know that? I'm in Afghanistan, where they sell tons of fake Chinese made coins, and the shop owners disclose that they're fake. So first party sellers provide proper disclosure, at least in Afghanistan.
<< <i>
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
True except we do have Daniels word that the coins are minted on authentic Peace Dollars. This give's them bullion value whereas the Chinese coins would require some testing to determine what they are made from. At $3 to $5 each, I somehow don't think its silver.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>True except we do have Daniels word that the coins are minted on authentic Peace Dollars. >>
I'm pretty sure if you're in China, you can get authentic Peace dollars if you want them. And I'd bet that there are at least a couple of people in China whose word could be depended upon.
Nobody seems to want to answer my question without adding irrelevant conditions.
edited to add...
<< <i>At $3 to $5 each, I somehow don't think its silver. >>
That kind of pricing wasn't included in my question either, BTW.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are. >>
One thing I do remember from the Chinese Counterfeit story that ran in Coin World is that they pever stated the coins were real. They were simply proud that they could create a reasonable copy. Additionally, the coins were not sold as real, at least not by Jinghuashei the subject of the article, but sold as "hole fillers".
It was the greedy purchasers which flipped them by not mentioning they were "replica" coins.
The Chinese are simply doing what the Chinese have always done, provide knock off products at cheap prices. They did it when I was a kid 55 years ago and they're doing it still.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>The difference is the Chinese would claim they're real coins while D. Carr is up front as to what they are. >>
Well, of course if you add to the scenario I presented something I never said, you'll likely get a different result. I'll repeat, with an addition:
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, and marketed in exactly the same way, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are? >>
Obviously not since the Chinese product is not minted from authentic Peace Dollars but some other cheap alloy which only looks like silver.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>They did it when I was a kid 55 years ago and they're doing it still. >>
Are you still considered a kid when you're 31?
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<< <i>They did it when I was a kid 55 years ago and they're doing it still. >>
Are you still considered a kid when you're 31?
All coin collectors are kids!
S-a-a-a-a-a-a-y! Wiat one minute here you young whipper snapper! Exactly what are you implying?
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Obviously not since the Chinese product is not minted from authentic Peace Dollars but some other cheap alloy which only looks like silver. >>
I'm curious- why are you ignoring my question and answering one you made up? I specifically said: "If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials..."
Not "some other cheap alloy"- the exact same materials.
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<< <i>Obviously not since the Chinese product is not minted from authentic Peace Dollars but some other cheap alloy which only looks like silver. >>
I'm curious- why are you ignoring my question and answering one you made up? I specifically said: "If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials..."
Not "some other cheap alloy"- the exact same materials. >>
The art of deception... misinformation... estrogen!
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<< <i>Obviously not since the Chinese product is not minted from authentic Peace Dollars but some other cheap alloy which only looks like silver. >>
I'm curious- why are you ignoring my question and answering one you made up? I specifically said: "If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials..."
Not "some other cheap alloy"- the exact same materials. >>
No.
Is that better?
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<< <i>No.
Is that better? >>
Yes, much. Thank you.
And not just because it confirms what I think- either opinion (yes or no) is okay, as long as it's an honestly thought out one.
Hi there
I guess your kid is not familiar with the subtle die changes - so what does this say about the "artistry" of the coin? I have read a few other comments that it just looks very fake. Is it worth the $110 now?
Best,
Eric
<< <i>If these coins were being sold by Chinese folks on E-bay do you think all their spelling would be correct on their site...
Probably not, but since sellers in the US have incorrectly spelled words on their websites, I'd think you could probably cut the Chinese a little slack in that area.
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<< <i>If these coins were being sold by Chinese folks on E-bay do you think all their spelling would be correct on their site...
Probably not, but since sellers in the US have incorrectly spelled words on their websites, I'd think you could probably cut the Chinese a little slack in that area.
Gladly...!!.....
i would think 2000 max mintage is a little steep, maybe 1000 would be more inline with demand......
<< <i>with last count provided by d. carr at only around 200 pieces sold, and this topic getting 700+ posts in days,
i would think 2000 max mintage is a little steep, maybe 1000 would be more inline with demand...... >>
ooorrrrr.... since he sold 200 @ $110, he can sell the next 200 @ $55!
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<< <i>Your argument comparing DC coins to Chinese counterfiets is ingenuouos, at best. >>
If these 64-D pieces were being made in China using the exact same process and materials, do you think they would be getting the same level of support here that they currently are?
My guess is no. >>
Nah, the ones coming from China have COPY stamped on them...
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