Crossing NGC CAC to PCGS?? UPDATED with Link
mcarney1173
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I have bought a few Morgans in NGC plastic with the green sticker. I really want some of these in PCGS plastic. I don't have an issue with the grade changing, cause its solid for the grade, but will it CAC again??
UPDATE: Actually, let me get much more specific. The coin is a 79-S Morgan NGC MS67 STAR and CAC.
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UPDATE: Actually, let me get much more specific. The coin is a 79-S Morgan NGC MS67 STAR and CAC.
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<< <i>I drink the Kool aid as much as anyone else here, but why bother getting them into PCGS plastic? Are you hoping for an upgrade? The coins already have a green bean... >>
...yeah, but a bean on a PCGS slab! now THAT'S GOLD!!!!!
<< <i>I drink the Kool aid as much as anyone else here, but why bother getting them into PCGS plastic? Are you hoping for an upgrade? The coins already have a green bean... >>
An NGC with a bean IMHO is equivalent to a PCGS rating.
An NGC with a bean IMHO is equivalent to a PCGS rating.
...yes, but there are MANY that think otherwise.
<< <i>An NGC with a bean IMHO is equivalent to a PCGS rating.
...yes, but there are MANY that think otherwise.
Right this is my decision: The coin is for a PCGS registry set, so I could either have the coin in NGC with a CAC or just a PCGS. If the crossover remains at a MS67, could I get the CAC back?
If the coin comes back MS-68, you might not get a green bean, but would you mind?
Knowing that some set owner's have coins in their registry that they have sold (for quite a long time too) leads me to rethink the importance of the registry set. If the coin is graded correctly I would not bother wasting my money. If it's got a green bean, to me it sounds like it is graded correctly and only has a small chance of getting the '+' in the same grade on a crossover unless the eye appeal is very positive to exceptional. No guarantees on getting a CAC back either IMHO.
<< <i>If the coin comes back as MS-67 or lower, I would think that it would CAC again.
If the coin comes back MS-68, you might not get a green bean, but would you mind? >>
Wow, I would love an MS68!!!
<< <i>If the plastic is important on a fairly common coin, then buy it already in the plastic and don't play the game. On an uncommon coin, then you're at the mercy of the forces that be - my recommendation is to build the finest set you can and THEN have it reviewed for crossover/plus/upgrades all at once. >>
You're the registry expert. I like that idea!!
<< <i>Presumably, you liked it when you bought it in its current holder. Keep it as is and enjoy it, or sell it. If you want one in a PCGS holder, buy it that way. Why spend the money and subject yourself to the potential frustration in trying to cross the coin? >>
At this point, I don't care about the STAR or CAC, so is the "frustration " about it receiving an MS66.
<< <i>Presumably, you liked it when you bought it in its current holder. Keep it as is and enjoy it, or sell it. If you want one in a PCGS holder, buy it that way. Why spend the money and subject yourself to the potential frustration in trying to cross the coin? >>
...yes.
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<< <i>Presumably, you liked it when you bought it in its current holder. Keep it as is and enjoy it, or sell it. If you want one in a PCGS holder, buy it that way. Why spend the money and subject yourself to the potential frustration in trying to cross the coin? >>
...yes. >>
See, I've spent the last 6 months looking on Teletrade and Heritage and dozens of dealer's websites looking for an MS67 Morgan either PCGS or NGC. This is the nicest one I've seen after searching nearly 500 examples. Whenever I saw a nice NGC one, I always had the intention to cross it to PCGS. However, I tend to buy the plastic, not the coin, so I'm gonna try to continue my type set with both PCGS and NGC coins, and I'll see how it goes. Thanks
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<< <i>I would keep the coin in the NGC holder since it has a star. >>
yeah, this is probably what i'll do.
<< <i>If the plastic is important on a fairly common coin, then buy it already in the plastic and don't play the game. On an uncommon coin, then you're at the mercy of the forces that be - my recommendation is to build the finest set you can and THEN have it reviewed for crossover/plus/upgrades all at once. >>
This is exceptionally excellent advice.
"The registry expert!"
At least in this current market, most coins bring more money in PCGS-CAC than they do in NGC-CAC. That's why it might be worth it to cross and then try for the re-bean. On a particular NGC-CAC MS67 type coin I have, that is probably worth an additional 20-30% if in a PCGS holder.
I would submit the coin to PCGS for crossover at grade. After it crosses, send the coin, with the old NGC label, to CAC. I would be very surprised if it did not earn the CAC bean. CAC says they sticker PCGS and NGC coins using the same standards.
Yes, and a photo in the NGC holder wouldn't hurt either to prove the coin didn't change during the crossover.
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<< <i>If the plastic is important on a fairly common coin, then buy it already in the plastic and don't play the game. On an uncommon coin, then you're at the mercy of the forces that be - my recommendation is to build the finest set you can and THEN have it reviewed for crossover/plus/upgrades all at once. >>
This is exceptionally excellent advice. >>
I agree with both comments. Spending 6 months looking for the right coin is nothing. Be more patient and you will eventually find what you are looking for, so that you don't end up at the crossover roulette wheel.
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<< <i>so that you don't end up at the crossover roulette wheel. >>
So true if you play this game, which I have. You'll hit a nice one every now and then but too many disappointments alone the way.
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<< <i>I saw that 79-S NGC Star CAC on Ebay--beautiful rainbow and a FANTASTIC price. FANTASTIC PRICE!
We're probably talking about the same one:
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...I would have stolen it myself if I didn't just buy my 16-D Merc...
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<< <i>I would submit the coin to PCGS for crossover at grade. After it crosses, send the coin, with the old NGC label, to CAC. I would be very surprised if it did not earn the CAC bean. CAC says they sticker PCGS and NGC coins using the same standards. >>
Take picture of the HOLDER/coin with the sticker on it. >>
Yes, if you send in the old label and/or a photo of the old slab then they'll resticker if the grade doesn't increase. If it upgrades they would have to re-examine the coin.
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