Jim Joyce STEALS history...
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instant replay !!!
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he didn't make a signal like he was bobbling the ball, i think he just missed the call. when he sees that he'll be just as upset
a shame
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<< <i>That's what I thought at first, but look at replay from other angle. Does pitcher have control of ball? it's questionable. Announcers are just looking at foot on bag, they aren't considering ball. >>
That was a snow cone, but possession... No bobble.
Joyce started to signal an out call and change to the safe.
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<< <i>Great call IMO that took balls to make. >>
Agreed! Any ump could call him out and make the popular call but a professional will make the RIGHT call and accept the BS associated with the replay junkies.
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he just missed it
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I don't think Joyce had the angle to be able to tell beyond a doubt, and the ball clearly beat the runner there. It will be interesting to hear what he has to say for himself.
Cabrera barking at him in between every pitch after that was hysterical.
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<< <i>That's what I thought at first, but look at replay from other angle. Does pitcher have control of ball? it's questionable. Announcers are just looking at foot on bag, they aren't considering ball. >>
Even if it's super close, it's an unwritten rule that a batter has to earn a hit in the later stages of a game with a no hitter or especially a perfect game on the line. Right call or not, the runner should have been called out.
And I've seen the call with the picture frozen and the runner about 2-3 feet from the bag while the ball is in the mitt. Should have called him out.
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<< <i>That's what I thought at first, but look at replay from other angle. Does pitcher have control of ball? it's questionable. Announcers are just looking at foot on bag, they aren't considering ball. >>
Even if it's super close, it's an unwritten rule that a batter has to earn a hit in the later stages of a game with a no hitter or especially a perfect game on the line. Right call or not, the runner should have been called out.
And I've seen the call with the picture frozen and the runner about 2-3 feet from the bag while the ball is in the mitt. Should have called him out. >>
I'll agree with you that the batter didn't deserve a hit, should have been an error on the pitcher for the bobble. and then he still would have had a no hitter.
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<< <i>they interviewed leland on MLB network and he said that joyce said he beat the ball, never mentioned the bobble >>
If Joyce really told Leland that, then Joyce needs bigger reading glasses then I do. There is NO question that the ball beat the runner, even with live speed and not replay, to me the only question is whether it was bobbled or not.
Mike
Least Joyce was quick to man up about it.
I've always been against instant replay in baseball but this has forced me to change my mind. There's got to be a way to get these calls right in these situations. This will haunt Joyce, Galarraga, the fans who were there, everyone who watched it....shame shame shame.
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hockey rules,
the refs get to drag fighting players to the ice and they use instant review...
not to mention,
gnarly fights they get to watch,
but never throw any players out.
j
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This is known as “bad luck.”
Nothing to distinguish them from the day of game tix either.
(besides them not being used) What a shame.
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I agree with Mike (Navarro)..the announcers in typical biased fashion are looking solely at Galaraaga beating the runner to the bag...they are not focusing on the ball in the glove..the best angle to see that play was the last one which faced the side of the bag...on that replay, the play is very close at best.
Edit: I will say though that in that situation, you can't ruin the perfect game on a bang bang play...but if this were any other play in a game, I'd have no problem with the runner being called safe on that play.
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No way was that "a little flip and re-catch of the ball in celebration." Come on, now..it was a bang bang play, and the ball, if not bobbled, was at least not fielded cleanly.
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I agree completely. There was absolutely no question that Galarraga and the throw beat the runner to the bag...and if that was the premise for Joyce's call then yes, he was absolutely incorrect. But there certainly was an issue of possession if you look closely at the replay and freeze frame it. Of course, Joyce would not have been in position to see that anyway. And baseball has a long tradition of accepting the fact that the runner is out if the throw beats him to the bag. Same as on a stolen base when many runners are called out even if they are not tagged as long as the throw beats them to the bag. And the "in the area" rule is almost always in effect on a force play at second when a double play is being turned.
Edit: I thought the announcers were really biased in their call of the play, too, which also contributed to the perception of it.
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I feel bad for him. Hopefully something good and positive will happen today about this
The first 28 out perfect game in history
seems to be a good ump, some would not have said they blew the call
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So, a perfect game was really not a perfect game, and a one hitter was really a perfect game. Weird.
Shane
<< <i>As much as I wish they could go back and change that call and give him his perfect game, to change the call would be a very slippery slope. Probably better for the game to let the call stand. >>
I have to agree. For those of us who are students of the history of the game, we can always add 1 when the subject of perfect games come up, and then explain to our conversational counterpart about Galarraga's perfect game that wasn't, and then do a quick YouTube search for it and show them.
But I don't think you can officially "undo" a bad call, and there's no better reason than the slippery slope argument.
Mark
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As awful as this is for Galarraga, moments like this stand the test of time. In fifteen years I'm probably not going to remember a thing about Dallas Braden's day but I'll remember Jim Joyce and Armando Galarraga for sure. I hope Selig doesn't do a thing to the record books. Keep it a one-hitter and we'll all tell our kids about it. Oddities like this, though briefly tragic, are part of baseball's charm.
I guess I'd just rather they had correct calls minus the charm.
<< <i>no bobble, a clear out, not even close esp. given the situation, Umpire publicly admits he blew the call. Commisioners office should step in and rectify the situation and make it right. >>
In a perfect world this is exactly what would happen. But remember who's guiding the ship here...dear ol' Bubbling Bud. The guy who was in the stands and let an All-Star game end in a tie. The guy who looked the other way when half the players were juicing. If you're looking for positive decisive action from a commissioner, you've got the wrong man.
<< <i>As awful as this is for Galarraga, moments like this stand the test of time. In fifteen years I'm probably not going to remember a thing about Dallas Braden's day but I'll remember Jim Joyce and Armando Galarraga for sure. I hope Selig doesn't do a thing to the record books. Keep it a one-hitter and we'll all tell our kids about it. Oddities like this, though briefly tragic, are part of baseball's charm.
I guess I'd just rather they had correct calls minus the charm. >>
You do have a point here...for example, I fully believe Pete Rose benefits greatly from the controversy surrounding his career. Joe Jackson's collectiblity factor has obviously been helped by the scandle of the Black Sox.
Still, my hear just breaks for the kid, and Joyce too.
<< <i>Here is something very ironic - Roy Halladay's perfect game was really not a perfect game. I know of at least once (and I think 2 or 3 times) that Halladay got a third strike call on a full count when replays showed the pitch CLEARLY a ball.
So, a perfect game was really not a perfect game, and a one hitter was really a perfect game. Weird. >>
Okay, I'll bring it up. What if Galarraga was Roy Halladay?
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<< <i>As awful as this is for Galarraga, moments like this stand the test of time. In fifteen years I'm probably not going to remember a thing about Dallas Braden's day but I'll remember Jim Joyce and Armando Galarraga for sure. I hope Selig doesn't do a thing to the record books. Keep it a one-hitter and we'll all tell our kids about it. Oddities like this, though briefly tragic, are part of baseball's charm. >>
Just curious are you Ken Singleton? I saw your post b4 the game and Mr. Singleton pretty much said the same thing nearly word for word. Just curious...