<< <i>it never ceases to amaze me the sheer laziness of sellers and their packaging practices. >>
Got that right. At $500+ I would assume there's a decent profit margin there--surely enough to get a free Priority Mail box, some cardboard, newspaper or peanuts to protect it and ensure a safe delivery. When selling something at a profit for $100-200+, the last thing I want is to take a loss over $3 savings from not boxing it or the cost to insure it.
Maybe some just see a buyer with 1000+ feedback and believe they won't get scammed? >>
Do you know the sellers profit margin? Do you know if the seller has private insurance? But you still shoot those opinions out there mighty quick.
Wow... this still gets people fighting, doesn't it?
Actually, I think from now on I'm going to ding all sellers that charge more than the original price of the pack for a card, as clearly someone is profiting at my expense
Take it easy, Jared
"You consider me the young apprentice, Caught between the Scylla and Charibdes, Hypnotized by you if I should linger, Staring at the ring around your finger" - Sting
Ray Thiel (1964-2007) - the man who showed me more wonderful games & gaming sessions than I ever dreamed possible... you ran out of hit points too young, my friend.
<< <i>Ok guys lets get a very important point straight:
Agreeing to pay a shipping cost is not the same as being satisfied with the shipping cost.
I understand that buyers are under no obligation to purchase a card and we can all agree that the DSR system is broken but a sellers DSR is nothing more than an opinion of the seller by the buyer. I am a seller and a buyer. I knowingly overcharge my customers on shipping to profit on smaller sales. I hope that every future customer of mine reviews my shipping charges and understands that this is a natural cost of purchasing a good. I personally always give 5 stars across the board (even to Memory Lane with their $5.95 shipping costs) but I completely understand a buyer giving low feedback for being overcharged for shipping.
Despite what everyone is saying the shipping cost is not part of the sale price. There is the sale price and the delivery charge, they are separate and if you are being overcharged for shipping you have the right to get pissed. >>
remember that a "3" is neither satisfied nor unsatisfied, meaning you are okay with the transaction.
A "5" is above and beyond accord to ebay's standards.
If you have a gripe, take it up with Meg. >>
You know, that would be fine . . . except for the fact, as has been stated, that if you drop below the 4.3 average, you lose your 20% final sales reduction. Who at Ebay pulled the number 4.3 outta their butt? Just makes it tougher for a good seller to be a good seller, eh? By their OWN standards, a 4 star average is not good enough for a seller, yet they tell the buyer that it is.
It's as if two departments came up with that formula . . . without any communication between them.
<< <i>.........But according to ebay I have to rate the 4 scenarios................ >>
No, you dont have to since it's OPTIONAL. See, you are a fool just as i thought. >>
And you overcharge on shipping, just like a crook. Just like I thought. I should not have to pay your gas or ebay fees. If I am charged for them, your DSRs will suffer.
I don't think Meg rolled out the DSR's. I thought that brilliant idea came from the latest CEO of ebay Donohue.
By the way, Meg is one fungly looking person. Those smiles that show a 1/4" of gum line are particularly disturbing. She's worth what....$750 million now, due to running ebay into the ground. With that kind of coin you'd think she'd get some caps on her teeth.
Since this has been such a hot topic I would like to have some input on when selling an item at what point do you start paying for the insurance? Is there a dollar amout that you feel like you need to add it or do you pack it well and take your chances. Since this is out of the sellers pocket I do not want to have to add this extra expense unless it would really be needed.
<< <i>Since this has been such a hot topic I would like to have some input on when selling an item at what point do you start paying for the insurance? Is there a dollar amout that you feel like you need to add it or do you pack it well and take your chances. Since this is out of the sellers pocket I do not want to have to add this extra expense unless it would really be needed.
Bob >>
I guess it depends on what the "seller" can afford to lose.
"...I don't think Meg rolled out the DSR's. I thought that brilliant idea came from the latest CEO of ebay Donohue...."
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Most folks think that is the case; it is not.
Virtually EVERYTHING that has been implemented since Meg's departure was engineered by Meg.
JD and Meg are both alums of Bain Capital. Both support "disruptive innovation." Meg understands the concept, and JD does not. Meg had the skill/luck to benefit from the true purpose of DI, JD is too incompetent and arrogant to benefit from anyting other than the least deserved golden-parachute in corporate history; hopefully, that chute will deploy soon.
Meg was a collaborative planner, with excellent execution skills. She was politic enough to hear at least some of what other folks had to say. JD thinks of EVERYBODY who offers counterpoints as "noise," or worse, as traitorous enemies.
Meg was the mother of DSRs. The child was adopted by a fool and allowed to become a dangerous delinquent.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
How about one last thing that no one seems to want to consider (not that I factor it into my shipping costs):
A seller is responsible for delivering the item. The seller, by rule, is now responsible for insurance costs and cannot pass them on as an extra service level. Regardless of whether the seller purchases insurance or not, they are assuming the responsibility for replacement value or complete refund in the event the item is lost or damaged. In essence, every item a seller ships is "self insured" at the seller's expense.
I realize that some will reply that such additional expense isn't their problem and that they shouldn't pay for it, but it is an additional cost exposure to the seller and perhaps one that might be considered when there's an extra couple of quarters more than the actual cost of packing materials and postage.
BTW, I already have a good idea where this specific discussion will go: "eBay says the seller can't charge the buyer extra for insurance," or "why should I pay extra since it's the seller's responsibility," or "eBay says that self insurance must be from a third party provider."
"...I would like to have some input on when selling an item at what point do you start paying for the insurance?..."
/////////////////////////////////////
A Mason Jar that eats a dollar - or a quarter - each time an item is shipped is pretty good "insurance." At the end of the year, most careful packagers will have a pile of money left in the jar.
USPS-insurance is a good product, and it needs to be used sparingly. Each seller needs to assign his own numbers; the more conservative those numbers are, the better. Nothing wrong with sharing the risk with USPS when you buy their insurance.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
"...BTW, I already have a good idea where this specific discussion will go: "eBay says the seller can't charge the buyer extra for insurance," or "why should I pay extra since it's the seller's responsibility," or "eBay says that self insurance must be from a third party provider." ..."
/////////////////////////////////////////////
All pretty true, but the notion of the third-party provider is now pretty much redundant, SINCE the seller cannot collect a separate fee for ANY insurance service.
.......
There is a bad rub for buyers who believe they are safe members of the greedy-cheapskate-screw-the-seller-nannystate-club.
As a seller, my DC/SC protects me against INR-claims. NO such protection is available for the buyer who becomes the victim of a misdelivered DC/SC item. Such a buyer WILL lose his INR-claim at both EBAY and PayPal. This is the ONE instance in which insurance is for the benefit of the buyer.
Despite the fact that the DC/SC policy used by EBAY/PP contradicts the firm rule that "sellers are responsible" for safe delivery to the buyer, the DC/SC policy will NEVER change. The ONE bright spot for sellers using EBAY/PP.
.........
USPS accepts filings of - and will pay - INR-claims that are contradicted by DC/SC. I am still looking for a private insurance provider that will do so.
In order to keep their DC/SC shield legally bulletproof, sellers are smart to remain silent in their listings on the issue of "insurance." Widely used notations of "private insurance" can come back to bite sellers, if a sophisticated buyer suffers a large loss due to the use - by the seller - of an inferior insurance product.
................
Insurance costs are not much of an issue with BIN-sellers using "free" shipping.
Ins fees - along with ALL other costs - are simply added into the price of the item.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
I just give free shipping on ebay, though I doubt it helps the final sale price. Also, my DSR was 4.9 for shipping charges but is now 5.0. I do always look at my package (lol) and if the difference is more than 1 dollar or so on the label than what I was charged, I will knock the shipping charges accordingly. I could care less about supplies, packaging drive time,etc...that is essentially worthless to me
RIpublican, if you get a package, say a bubble mailer that you paid $4.00 for delivery and postage rate is $2.99 your gonna ding the guys shipping stars? The bubble mailer costs money, time costs money, supplies, top loaders, tape etc. all cost money.
Im curious at what point people think they are getting ripped off.
As long as something doesnt come in a plain white envelope and its packaged with some thought and care they get 5 stars.
If i pay $5 for something to be shipped to me in a bubble mailer, i expect delivery confirmation.
My threshold for dinging someone starts when they charge more than $2 higher than whats on the package...
For all you buyers out there thinking of dinging my stars on shipping, I'll have you know that I use only the highest quality bubble mailers (with lots of bubbles per sq in), and my packing tape is 3M, which offers the ultimate level of stickiness. I also label my mailers with genuine sharpies not those cheap knock-offs (sure, they cost more, but it's worth it in the long run). In addition, I put only premium gas in my car, and I keep my car well-maintained so that nothing, I mean nothing, will negatively affect my ability to successfully transport your package to the local post office. You should also know that I've received a few speeding tickets rushing your package to the PO before they close, so I factor that cost in as well (hope you don't mind). But all this expense and effort is worth it, I think, because it's all about you, the buyer.
<< <i>For all you buyers out there thinking of dinging my stars on shipping, I'll have you know that I use only the highest quality bubble mailers (with lots of bubbles per sq in), and my packing tape is 3M, which offers the ultimate level of stickiness. I also label my mailers with genuine sharpies not those cheap knock-offs (sure, they cost more, but it's worth it in the long run). In addition, I put only premium gas in my car, and I keep my car well-maintained so that nothing, I mean nothing, will negatively affect my ability to successfully transport your package to the local post office. You should also know that I've received a few speeding tickets rushing your package to the PO before they close, so I factor that cost in as well (hope you don't mind). But all this expense and effort is worth it, I think, because it's all about you, the buyer. >>
This thread looks to be over, or at the very least will probably get locked today if it picks up steam again, so I just wanted to thank everyone who kept this thread going over 6 days. Believe me when I tell you that the entertainment value of whiny petty people can not be measured.
haven't seen the OP for awhile......think he might be curled up on a corner somewhere, shaking violently and begging for someone, ANYONE, to make sense of all this?
Thought I would add a little fire......what if it comes postage due?
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Got this probably a couple years ago so I don't remember what the shipping was that was charged in the auction, only remember it more then payed for the item to be delivered.
Got this probably a couple years ago so I don't remember what the shipping was that was charged in the auction, only remember it more then payed for the item to be delivered.
>>
The extra weight of all the stamps on it changed the price.
I think ebay should require all sellers to hand-deliver each item they sell at no charge. After all, why should I as the buyer have to pay for vour gas??
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>For all you buyers out there thinking of dinging my stars on shipping, I'll have you know that I use only the highest quality bubble mailers (with lots of bubbles per sq in), and my packing tape is 3M, which offers the ultimate level of stickiness. I also label my mailers with genuine sharpies not those cheap knock-offs (sure, they cost more, but it's worth it in the long run). In addition, I put only premium gas in my car, and I keep my car well-maintained so that nothing, I mean nothing, will negatively affect my ability to successfully transport your package to the local post office. You should also know that I've received a few speeding tickets rushing your package to the PO before they close, so I factor that cost in as well (hope you don't mind). But all this expense and effort is worth it, I think, because it's all about you, the buyer. >>
Comments
<< <i>
<< <i>it never ceases to amaze me the sheer laziness of sellers and their packaging practices. >>
Got that right. At $500+ I would assume there's a decent profit margin there--surely enough to get a free Priority Mail box, some cardboard, newspaper or peanuts to protect it and ensure a safe delivery. When selling something at a profit for $100-200+, the last thing I want is to take a loss over $3 savings from not boxing it or the cost to insure it.
Maybe some just see a buyer with 1000+ feedback and believe they won't get scammed? >>
Do you know the sellers profit margin?
Do you know if the seller has private insurance?
But you still shoot those opinions out there mighty quick.
carry on
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
Actually, I think from now on I'm going to ding all sellers that charge more than the original price of the pack for a card, as clearly someone is profiting at my expense
Take it easy,
Jared
Caught between the Scylla and Charibdes,
Hypnotized by you if I should linger,
Staring at the ring around your finger" - Sting
Ray Thiel (1964-2007) - the man who showed me more wonderful games & gaming sessions than I ever dreamed possible... you ran out of hit points too young, my friend.
Do you know the sellers profit margin? Nope, but an argument could be made that if you're selling $500+ items, it's decent
Do you know if the seller has private insurance? Don't really care, but did use the word "maybe"
But you still shoot those opinions out there mighty quick. >>
Sure, they are opinions
<< <i>Ok guys lets get a very important point straight:
Agreeing to pay a shipping cost is not the same as being satisfied with the shipping cost.
I understand that buyers are under no obligation to purchase a card and we can all agree that the DSR system is broken but a sellers DSR is nothing more than an opinion of the seller by the buyer. I am a seller and a buyer. I knowingly overcharge my customers on shipping to profit on smaller sales. I hope that every future customer of mine reviews my shipping charges and understands that this is a natural cost of purchasing a good. I personally always give 5 stars across the board (even to Memory Lane with their $5.95 shipping costs) but I completely understand a buyer giving low feedback for being overcharged for shipping.
Despite what everyone is saying the shipping cost is not part of the sale price. There is the sale price and the delivery charge, they are separate and if you are being overcharged for shipping you have the right to get pissed. >>
WOW, someone gets it!
remember that a "3" is neither satisfied nor unsatisfied, meaning you are okay with the transaction.
A "5" is above and beyond accord to ebay's standards.
If you have a gripe, take it up with Meg.
<< <i>Just to fire you all up again:
remember that a "3" is neither satisfied nor unsatisfied, meaning you are okay with the transaction.
A "5" is above and beyond accord to ebay's standards.
If you have a gripe, take it up with Meg. >>
You know, that would be fine . . . except for the fact, as has been stated, that if you drop below the 4.3 average, you lose your 20% final sales reduction. Who at Ebay pulled the number 4.3 outta their butt? Just makes it tougher for a good seller to be a good seller, eh? By their OWN standards, a 4 star average is not good enough for a seller, yet they tell the buyer that it is.
It's as if two departments came up with that formula . . . without any communication between them.
The problems should not be with me, but with ebay for misleading the buyers on how to leave feedback.
so boston won right
<< <i>.........But according to ebay I have to rate the 4 scenarios................ >>
No, you dont have to since it's OPTIONAL. See, you are a fool just as i thought.
<< <i>
<< <i>.........But according to ebay I have to rate the 4 scenarios................ >>
No, you dont have to since it's OPTIONAL. See, you are a fool just as i thought. >>
And you overcharge on shipping, just like a crook. Just like I thought. I should not have to pay your gas or ebay fees. If I am charged for them, your DSRs will suffer.
<< <i>
I don't think Meg rolled out the DSR's. I thought that brilliant idea came from the latest CEO of ebay Donohue.
By the way, Meg is one fungly looking person. Those smiles that show a 1/4" of gum line are particularly disturbing. She's worth what....$750 million now, due to running ebay into the ground.
With that kind of coin you'd think she'd get some caps on her teeth.
Ummm she no longer is the CEO of Ebay.
Last I heard she was trying to become a politico.
Should I take it up with John?
I rate some of the replies here a 2.
ok let's have one more day of this.
Steve
Bob
Looking for Bob Uecker cards
My Ebay Auctions
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Ralph
<< <i>I dont get it
so boston won right >>
told ya so.
<< <i>Since this has been such a hot topic I would like to have some input on when selling an item at what point do you start paying for the insurance? Is there a dollar amout that you feel like you need to add it or do you pack it well and take your chances. Since this is out of the sellers pocket I do not want to have to add this extra expense unless it would really be needed.
Bob >>
I guess it depends on what the "seller" can afford to lose.
"...I don't think Meg rolled out the DSR's. I thought that brilliant idea came from the latest CEO of ebay Donohue...."
//////////////////////////////////
Most folks think that is the case; it is not.
Virtually EVERYTHING that has been implemented since Meg's
departure was engineered by Meg.
JD and Meg are both alums of Bain Capital. Both support "disruptive
innovation." Meg understands the concept, and JD does not. Meg
had the skill/luck to benefit from the true purpose of DI, JD is too
incompetent and arrogant to benefit from anyting other than the
least deserved golden-parachute in corporate history; hopefully,
that chute will deploy soon.
Meg was a collaborative planner, with excellent execution skills.
She was politic enough to hear at least some of what other folks
had to say. JD thinks of EVERYBODY who offers counterpoints as
"noise," or worse, as traitorous enemies.
Meg was the mother of DSRs. The child was adopted by a fool
and allowed to become a dangerous delinquent.
A seller is responsible for delivering the item. The seller, by rule, is now responsible for insurance costs and cannot pass them on as an extra service level. Regardless of whether the seller purchases insurance or not, they are assuming the responsibility for replacement value or complete refund in the event the item is lost or damaged. In essence, every item a seller ships is "self insured" at the seller's expense.
I realize that some will reply that such additional expense isn't their problem and that they shouldn't pay for it, but it is an additional cost exposure to the seller and perhaps one that might be considered when there's an extra couple of quarters more than the actual cost of packing materials and postage.
BTW, I already have a good idea where this specific discussion will go: "eBay says the seller can't charge the buyer extra for insurance," or "why should I pay extra since it's the seller's responsibility," or "eBay says that self insurance must be from a third party provider."
"...I would like to have some input on when selling an item at what point do you start paying for the insurance?..."
/////////////////////////////////////
A Mason Jar that eats a dollar - or a quarter - each time an item
is shipped is pretty good "insurance." At the end of the year, most
careful packagers will have a pile of money left in the jar.
USPS-insurance is a good product, and it needs to be used sparingly.
Each seller needs to assign his own numbers; the more conservative
those numbers are, the better. Nothing wrong with sharing the risk
with USPS when you buy their insurance.
/////////////////////////////////////////////
All pretty true, but the notion of the third-party provider is
now pretty much redundant, SINCE the seller cannot collect
a separate fee for ANY insurance service.
.......
There is a bad rub for buyers who believe they are safe members
of the greedy-cheapskate-screw-the-seller-nannystate-club.
As a seller, my DC/SC protects me against INR-claims. NO such
protection is available for the buyer who becomes the victim of
a misdelivered DC/SC item. Such a buyer WILL lose his INR-claim
at both EBAY and PayPal. This is the ONE instance in which insurance
is for the benefit of the buyer.
Despite the fact that the DC/SC policy used by EBAY/PP contradicts
the firm rule that "sellers are responsible" for safe delivery to the
buyer, the DC/SC policy will NEVER change. The ONE bright spot
for sellers using EBAY/PP.
.........
USPS accepts filings of - and will pay - INR-claims that are contradicted
by DC/SC. I am still looking for a private insurance provider that will do
so.
In order to keep their DC/SC shield legally bulletproof, sellers are
smart to remain silent in their listings on the issue of "insurance."
Widely used notations of "private insurance" can come back to
bite sellers, if a sophisticated buyer suffers a large loss due to the
use - by the seller - of an inferior insurance product.
................
Insurance costs are not much of an issue with BIN-sellers using
"free" shipping.
Ins fees - along with ALL other costs - are simply added into the
price of the item.
I just give free shipping on ebay, though I doubt it helps the final sale price. Also, my DSR was 4.9 for shipping charges but is now 5.0. I do always look at my package (lol) and if the difference is more than 1 dollar or so on the label than what I was charged, I will knock the shipping charges accordingly. I could care less about supplies, packaging drive time,etc...that is essentially worthless to me
if you get a package, say a bubble mailer that you paid $4.00 for delivery and postage rate is $2.99 your gonna ding the guys shipping stars? The bubble mailer costs money, time costs money, supplies, top loaders, tape etc. all cost money.
Im curious at what point people think they are getting ripped off.
As long as something doesnt come in a plain white envelope and its packaged with some thought and care they get 5 stars.
If i pay $5 for something to be shipped to me in a bubble mailer, i expect delivery confirmation.
My threshold for dinging someone starts when they charge more than $2 higher than whats on the package...
Surely you jest?
Steve
In addition, I put only premium gas in my car, and I keep my car well-maintained so that nothing, I mean nothing, will negatively affect my ability to successfully transport your package to the local post office. You should also know that I've received a few speeding tickets rushing your package to the PO before they close, so I factor that cost in as well (hope you don't mind). But all this expense and effort is worth it, I think,
because it's all about you, the buyer.
<< <i>For all you buyers out there thinking of dinging my stars on shipping, I'll have you know that I use only the highest quality bubble mailers (with lots of bubbles per sq in), and my packing tape is 3M, which offers the ultimate level of stickiness. I also label my mailers with genuine sharpies not those cheap knock-offs (sure, they cost more, but it's worth it in the long run).
In addition, I put only premium gas in my car, and I keep my car well-maintained so that nothing, I mean nothing, will negatively affect my ability to successfully transport your package to the local post office. You should also know that I've received a few speeding tickets rushing your package to the PO before they close, so I factor that cost in as well (hope you don't mind). But all this expense and effort is worth it, I think,
because it's all about you, the buyer. >>
*sound of crickets*
Steve
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Thought I would add a little fire......what if it comes postage due?
pay the postage and paypal the seller $2-3?
<< <i>
<< <i>Thought I would add a little fire......what if it comes postage due?
pay the postage and paypal the seller $2-3? >>
And leave 5 stars!
Got this probably a couple years ago so I don't remember what the shipping was that was charged in the auction, only remember it more then payed for the item to be delivered.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
<< <i>Postage due you say?
Got this probably a couple years ago so I don't remember what the shipping was that was charged in the auction, only remember it more then payed for the item to be delivered.
The extra weight of all the stamps on it changed the price.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>For all you buyers out there thinking of dinging my stars on shipping, I'll have you know that I use only the highest quality bubble mailers (with lots of bubbles per sq in), and my packing tape is 3M, which offers the ultimate level of stickiness. I also label my mailers with genuine sharpies not those cheap knock-offs (sure, they cost more, but it's worth it in the long run).
In addition, I put only premium gas in my car, and I keep my car well-maintained so that nothing, I mean nothing, will negatively affect my ability to successfully transport your package to the local post office. You should also know that I've received a few speeding tickets rushing your package to the PO before they close, so I factor that cost in as well (hope you don't mind). But all this expense and effort is worth it, I think,
because it's all about you, the buyer. >>
this gets my vote for post of the year!