'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>do you also consider the bubble mailer? Say the sh is 2.26 with DC and you paid 3.50 would you be upset? >>
I probably mentally add 25 cents for the bubble mailer, so if sh is 2.26, throwing in roughly .25 for mailing and .50 for confirmation, so total cost is roughly $3. If they charged $3.50, I'd be fine, and give 5 stars for shipping. If the shipping charge were $4, I'd probably ding a star, so 4 stars for shipping. If it were $10, I'd give it one star.
And for the other post, yea, I agree, if shipping charges were hidden, I'd be blissfully ignorant, and give 5 stars for shipping. Unless of course, the shipping charge were $10, and came in a small bubble mailer shipped first class w/ no insurance. Then given so many small bubble mailers I get, I have a good idea on how much it costs to ship. I'd probably give the benefit of the doubt in most cases, but if shipping were $10 in that case, I'd probably ding a couple of stars (as opposed to giving 1 star if I knew the actual shipping charge). If the shipping were $5 or even $6, I'd probably give the benefit of the doubt and give 5 stars. Anything more, I'd probably ding still.
Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people. >>
I don't lower DSR or leave neutral/nagatives for shipping issues anymore, if I am unhappy I just don't leave feedback. But I will PM you my user ID.
<< <i>Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people. >>
I don't lower DSR or leave neutral/nagatives for shipping issues anymore, if I am unhappy I just don't leave feedback. But I will PM you my user ID. >>
Thanks, your on my list.
You and others just do not get it Patrick....as I noted, I offer free shipping so we would have no problem there. However, you and the other posters, have continued to say that after you make a deal, and get the card/item, you are going to re-evaluate the transaction on conditions that have nothing to do with the item.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people. >>
I don't lower DSR or leave neutral/nagatives for shipping issues anymore, if I am unhappy I just don't leave feedback. But I will PM you my user ID. >>
Thanks, your on my list.
You and others just do not get it Patrick....as I noted, I offer free shipping so we would have no problem there. However, you and the other posters, have continued to say that after you make a deal, and get the card/item, you are going to re-evaluate the transaction on conditions that have nothing to do with the item. >>
Here I disagree, we are supposed to evaluate the listing/auction/service and not simply "the item."
<< <i>Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people. >>
I don't lower DSR or leave neutral/nagatives for shipping issues anymore, if I am unhappy I just don't leave feedback. But I will PM you my user ID. >>
Thanks, your on my list.
You and others just do not get it Patrick....as I noted, I offer free shipping so we would have no problem there. However, you and the other posters, have continued to say that after you make a deal, and get the card/item, you are going to re-evaluate the transaction on conditions that have nothing to do with the item. >>
I don't even know where you are coming from right now Patrick. Have you not read your own comments? You have almost been the leader of idiots in this thresd.
Thank you as well, Gary. (Hopefully not a Gary that ripped dozens of people off on this board.)
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>I don't even know where you are coming from right now Patrick. Have you not read your own comments? You have almost been the leader of idiots in this thresd.
Thank you as well, Gary. (Hopefully not a Gary that ripped dozens of people off on this board.) >>
No, that's not me since I only just got back in the hobby in April.
There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . .
<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
<< <i>"Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?"
actually, yes i have turned down people and told them to take a hike if there were whiny, demanding idiots
Plenty of good, nice mannered and intelligent folks that I was happy to deal with.
If your going to ding someone on shipping costs after you bought the item and knew the costs over .50 cents then you need your head examined. >>
No . . . it's not .50 that was ever in question. I, like many others, have said there's no problem with profiting a little from shipping and handling charges. Afterall, that is what helps some sellers to actually stay in business and be able to offer their selection for sale.
It's when someone charges twice as much as the actual costs. Like charging $3 for shipping and using a PWE. Suddenly you care, eh? But if the card got to you safe and sound, you shouldn't? Tell me you wouldn't be irritated at the $2 the seller profited that came out of your pocket.
I just got back from a miserable day on the golf course. I see this thread is still going. To save me from having to read it all has anyone made a good point that caused anyone to change their opinion?
I love threads like this... It brings out the idiocy in the idiots.
Aside from a seller using a PWE, what difference should it make if they charge $2, $3 or $4 to ship your item? For those that want to do the math and try to figure the exact cost and detract from the DSR's accordingly, I think you need to get a grip. If you're that concerned whether the seller makes $0.25 or $1.25 on the shipping costs, and you're going to ding their DSR's as a result, then you're the kind of people that I have no interest in doing business with.
As a simple example, I ship almost everything I sell via USPS Priority Mail with Delivery Confirmation in the USPS Priority Mail shipping box. If the item is over $250, shipping is FREE via USPS Priority with Signature Confirmation. When I expect the item to be under $250, I put the item in a graded card bag and inside a bubble mailer then in the box. The shipping expense I charge for this is $5.00. I charge extra to Canada when delivery confirmation is necessary. When the item is less than $50, I offer the option of Priority or 1st Class with Insurance included and mailed without the box (graded card bag and bubble mailer) for $3.00. I'm guessing a few of the DSR dolts would have issue with this. Please feel free to PM me your eBay ID's so I can add you to my BBL.
Not to rehash the topic too much, but when you bid, you bid a price with the item and shipping cost in mind. As long as a reasonable effort is made to ship the item safely and securely and it arrives as such, I don't see ANY reason to get bent out of shape about the costs incurred by the seller. If he made a buck or lost a buck, he delivered on the contract that you entered into when you placed your bid. Attacking the DSR as a result is juvenile. Would you give him 6 stars if he shipped it for free? Even though you can't, I doubt most of you would. You're too narrow minded to understand some of the most simplistic business practices and how to be a responsible end user!
Again, please PM me with your eBay ID's. YOU NEED TO BE ON MY BBL LIST!
<< <i>I love threads like this... It brings out the idiocy in the idiots.
Aside from a seller using a PWE, what difference should it make if they charge $2, $3 or $4 to ship your item? For those that want to do the math and try to figure the exact cost and detract from the DSR's accordingly, I think you need to get a grip. If you're that concerned whether the seller makes $0.25 or $1.25 on the shipping costs, and you're going to ding their DSR's as a result, then you're the kind of people that I have no interest in doing business with.
As a simple example, I ship almost everything I sell via USPS Priority Mail with Delivery Confirmation in the USPS Priority Mail shipping box. If the item is over $250, shipping is FREE via USPS Priority with Signature Confirmation. When I expect the item to be under $250, I put the item in a graded card bag and inside a bubble mailer then in the box. The shipping expense I charge for this is $5.00. I charge extra to Canada when delivery confirmation is necessary. When the item is less than $50, I offer the option of Priority or 1st Class with Insurance included and mailed without the box (graded card bag and bubble mailer) for $3.00. I'm guessing a few of the DSR dolts would have issue with this. Please feel free to PM me your eBay ID's so I can add you to my BBL.
Not to rehash the topic too much, but when you bid, you bid a price with the item and shipping cost in mind. As long as a reasonable effort is made to ship the item safely and securely and it arrives as such, I don't see ANY reason to get bent out of shape about the costs incurred by the seller. If he made a buck or lost a buck, he delivered on the contract that you entered into when you placed your bid. Attacking the DSR as a result is juvenile. Would you give him 6 stars if he shipped it for free? Even though you can't, I doubt most of you would. You're too narrow minded to understand some of the most simplistic business practices and how to be a responsible end user!
Again, please PM me with your eBay ID's. YOU NEED TO BE ON MY BBL LIST! >>
Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often.
why would you want to block potential customers due to them posting their thoughts?......I get a 20% rebate of my ebay fees due to high DSR ratings. if I can eliminate a few potential buyers who may prevent me from getting my rebate then I'll add them to the BBL. I'd rather save my $100 plus dollars on ebay fees month after month then to have a one time $5 sale from one of those buyers.
<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
I know my top rated seller status/20% FVF discount is at risk because of 1 deal where I sold 4 single cards to a clown for 3.50 S/H all in top loaders and then a team bag and then wrapped in bubble wrap and then put in a bubble mailer my cost was 20 cents for bubble mailer + the post office charged like 2.38, so I made a whopping like 92 cents not counting paypal fees 2.9% and top loaders and team bag + bubble wrap. he dinged me with four 1's or 2's on shipping time ( shipped same day I was paid) which I have no control over once I give it to the post office + 4 1's or 2's on my shipping and handling charges.
So if anyone thinks that this was justified and I deserved to be dinged that way, please PM me your ebay id so I can block you like I did this guy.
PS:it takes 1 year to get these low stars removed from my record, even after this guy dinged me my ratings are still 4.9,5.0,5.0,4.9 but according to ebay rules this will not be good enough to maintain my top rated seller status and my 20% discount. 3,872 positives 0 negatives and I am not good enough for the 20% discount.
<< <i> There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want... >>
Now there is something I totally sympathize with; if you ship quickly and offer free shipping, there should not even be a possibility for any buyer to ding you for shipping charges. I have no idea why someone would, but that is a true idiot.
And for Diamondman, I can see your point. I had more in mind people selling low dollar items and moving quantity for the purpose of profiting on shipping. I don't mind a business model of selling $5 items and charging $3 to ship and profiting $1 for every package that goes out - 1000 packages per month + profit from the item can really add up. That seller could care less what his DSR's are. On the other side of the coin, as you mentioned is the sellers who do sell high dollar items. Then, I'm sure, that 20% savings on seller fees adds up for them.
And yes, the person who hit you with 1-2 stars gives idiots a bad name . . .
<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards. >>
if Storm said this then I would have to respectfully disagree with him. The transaction is not over until the buyer has the item and leaves appropriate feedback, only then can the buyer know if the seller's "Shipping and handling charges" were too high for the item(s).
<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards. >>
if Storm said this then I would have to respectfully disagree with him. The transaction is not over until the buyer has the item and leaves appropriate feedback, only then can the buyer know if the seller's "Shipping and handling charges" were too high for the item(s). >>
Hence, you are on my block list.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards. >>
if Storm said this then I would have to respectfully disagree with him. The transaction is not over until the buyer has the item and leaves appropriate feedback, only then can the buyer know if the seller's "Shipping and handling charges" were too high for the item(s). >>
<< <i>I just got back from a miserable day on the golf course. I see this thread is still going. To save me from having to read it all has anyone made a good point that caused anyone to change their opinion? >>
No you have not missed anything, tune in tomorrow!
<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards. >>
if Storm said this then I would have to respectfully disagree with him. The transaction is not over until the buyer has the item and leaves appropriate feedback, only then can the buyer know if the seller's "Shipping and handling charges" were too high for the item(s). >>
Hence, you are on my block list. >>
I highly doubt you have anything I want to buy. >>
I shouldn't.
I do not agree with you in what is fair business practice, therefore I do not want to enter any business transaction with you. You likewise, should not want to enter any business transaction with me. So yes, I have nothing to sell you and you should not want anything from me.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often. >>
You just don't get it then . . . Why would I send you $2.00 without either of providing a service or supplying goods? I'm still waiting for your eBay ID...
Let me make this a little more simplistic with an example that you might comprehend...
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
<< <i>Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often. >>
You just don't get it then . . . Why would I send you $2.00 without either of providing a service or supplying goods? I'm still waiting for your eBay ID...
Let me make this a little more simplistic with an example that you might comprehend...
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Feel free to respond and discuss... >>
I only have issues with PWEs where I am charged $3+ in shipping, everything else I am pretty much fine with.
<< <i>Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often. >>
You just don't get it then . . . Why would I send you $2.00 without either of providing a service or supplying goods? I'm still waiting for your eBay ID...
Let me make this a little more simplistic with an example that you might comprehend...
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Feel free to respond and discuss... >>
Okie dokie
I'm still waiting for your eBay ID... puh-leeze . . .
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Yet again, I shall try to explain. People are pointing out why SOME people ding sellers DSRs. I think I have left <5 stars just a handful of times, one being when someone sent me searched boxes of SP years ago. I leave 5 stars because I understand the sellers PoV and realize how stupid the whole thing is. To ME, I never give a second thought at paying $3 for S&H and pretty much think it's the standard for non slabbed cards. Unless it arrives in a PWE -- 5 stars from me.
I just got a card that someone sent in a mailer listed at 1 ounce. I know what he paid. Did I care? No. Had he charged me $5 for shipping and the same 1 ounce package arrived and not a Priority Mail box, I probably would ding him by leaving 4 stars for shipping. Why? Because that IS TOO MUCH for the service provided (or lack thereof). The DSR's--stupidly enough, and blame Ebay--are the buyers opinions of the transaction, not the sellers.
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
Funny thing is, two things are not the same. If someone sells a $5 item with $5 S&H, order totaling $10, it's different than an item selling for $10 dlvd. The former denotes a quality of service provided - perhaps more packing material, sent in a Priority Mail box, etc. Also, the seller is pretty much stating that he profits on S&H charges, which IS A BUSINESS MODEL! There's NOTHING wrong with that, but so many of you want to justify it in other ways. The amount you choose as profit IS what matters, though. A person who sells knows what shipping charges are for these items. When you add 50%, it's obvious you didn't need to at times. Secondly, a buyer who buys two IDENTICAL cards from different buyers wonders why one costs $2.50 but the other costs $4 -- yet it's the same price from USPS. Again, the buyer leaves DSR's of his or her opinion. And, again, a seller should expect that if his profit margins from S&H is too high.
As I've said before, I'm totally fine when the seller profits $1 or less from his S&H charges. I'd never ding them for that.
Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Huff and fluff all you want, it doesn't bother me. But, what are MY childish actions? Trying to explain the reasoning of others? To try to get some people to understand the scenarios and why they might get their DSRs dinged? To actually provide a solution for them NOT to have DSR hits? For THIS you want to block me?
<< <i>Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often. >>
You just don't get it then . . . Why would I send you $2.00 without either of providing a service or supplying goods? I'm still waiting for your eBay ID...
Let me make this a little more simplistic with an example that you might comprehend...
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Feel free to respond and discuss... >>
Okie dokie
I'm still waiting for your eBay ID... puh-leeze . . .
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Yet again, I shall try to explain. People are pointing out why SOME people ding sellers DSRs. I think I have left <5 stars just a handful of times, one being when someone sent me searched boxes of SP years ago. I leave 5 stars because I understand the sellers PoV and realize how stupid the whole thing is. To ME, I never give a second thought at paying $3 for S&H and pretty much think it's the standard for non slabbed cards. Unless it arrives in a PWE -- 5 stars from me.
I just got a card that someone sent in a mailer listed at 1 ounce. I know what he paid. Did I care? No. Had he charged me $5 for shipping and the same 1 ounce package arrived and not a Priority Mail box, I probably would ding him by leaving 4 stars for shipping. Why? Because that IS TOO MUCH for the service provided (or lack thereof). The DSR's--stupidly enough, and blame Ebay--are the buyers opinions of the transaction, not the sellers.
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
Funny thing is, two things are not the same. If someone sells a $5 item with $5 S&H, order totaling $10, it's different than an item selling for $10 dlvd. The former denotes a quality of service provided - perhaps more packing material, sent in a Priority Mail box, etc. Also, the seller is pretty much stating that he profits on S&H charges, which IS A BUSINESS MODEL! There's NOTHING wrong with that, but so many of you want to justify it in other ways. The amount you choose as profit IS what matters, though. A person who sells knows what shipping charges are for these items. When you add 50%, it's obvious you didn't need to at times. Secondly, a buyer who buys two IDENTICAL cards from different buyers wonders why one costs $2.50 but the other costs $4 -- yet it's the same price from USPS. Again, the buyer leaves DSR's of his or her opinion. And, again, a seller should expect that if his profit margins from S&H is too high.
As I've said before, I'm totally fine when the seller profits $1 or less from his S&H charges. I'd never ding them for that.
Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Huff and fluff all you want, it doesn't bother me. But, what are MY childish actions? Trying to explain the reasoning of others? To try to get some people to understand the scenarios and why they might get their DSRs dinged? To actually provide a solution for them NOT to have DSR hits? For THIS you want to block me?
wow . . . >>
The two examples I cited are EXACTLY the same. The ONLY difference is that one seller included the postage total and the other did not. The method of shipment was EXACTLY the same and the s/h charge was EXACTLY the same.
Again, please explain the request for $2.00? While you state you can accept the seller profiting "$1 or less from his S&H charges," some of your previous comments contradict this as does your comprehension of the two IDENTICAL scenarios that I presented that you claim "two things are not the same." Then go off and describe something entirely different and unrelated.
Am I huffing and puffing? I don't think so. But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions.
"...Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from?..."
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On EBAY, there are MILLIONS of potential buyers.
MOST sellers are really not interested in doing biznez with buyers who are more trouble than they are worth.
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I use BINs w/Free Shipping on all accounts.
I have NEVER had higher than a 4.9 in the relevant DSR; it usually bounces between 4.6 and 4.8.
That's fine with me.
"Free" Shipping is a great profit center. I collect more than I would if I was charging a listed-price for shipping, and I never have to listen to the whiners.
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Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Agreeing to pay a shipping cost is not the same as being satisfied with the shipping cost.
I understand that buyers are under no obligation to purchase a card and we can all agree that the DSR system is broken but a sellers DSR is nothing more than an opinion of the seller by the buyer. I am a seller and a buyer. I knowingly overcharge my customers on shipping to profit on smaller sales. I hope that every future customer of mine reviews my shipping charges and understands that this is a natural cost of purchasing a good. I personally always give 5 stars across the board (even to Memory Lane with their $5.95 shipping costs) but I completely understand a buyer giving low feedback for being overcharged for shipping.
Despite what everyone is saying the shipping cost is not part of the sale price. There is the sale price and the delivery charge, they are separate and if you are being overcharged for shipping you have the right to get pissed.
The two examples I cited are EXACTLY the same. The ONLY difference is that one seller included the postage total and the other did not. The method of shipment was EXACTLY the same and the s/h charge was EXACTLY the same.
Again, please explain the request for $2.00? While you state you can accept the seller profiting "$1 or less from his S&H charges," some of your previous comments contradict this as does your comprehension of the two IDENTICAL scenarios that I presented that you claim "two things are not the same." Then go off and describe something entirely different and unrelated.
Am I huffing and puffing? I don't think so. But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions. >>
Your scenario #1: Seller offers a $5 BIN with $5 shipping. Therefore, you are paying $5 for the card, and $5 for S&H, a service. If the card is $5, why not charge $2.50 for shipping if that covers your cost to ship the card? Because that seller wants the additional $2.50
Your scenario $2: Seller offers a BIN of $10 with free shipping. For a $2 shipping cost, you're paying $8 for the card. Subtract the shipping costs and that's the cost of the card.
Why can't seller #1 offer the same card at $5 with $3 S&H? Because he wants the extra $2. When some buyers see both side by side, it's pretty obvious they are not the same, ONLY the dollar amount is. That's fine for some people, but not for others.
Say what you want about $1-2 here or there. Multiply it by 1000 per month and it's not such a little thing anymore. But you will never have 5 stars for shipping if that is your business model. Accept it.
But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions.
Are you referring to me? I could assume so, since you replied to me, then asked for me ebay ID. When have I ever threatened you or anyone else in this thread? Why would you even think that? What internet-ceps am I flexing? And still, you would block me even though through my statements, I would give you 5 stars without thinking?
The $2 for nothing was meant as sahr-kaz-uhm, btw. I'm sure some got it
Storm is right about one thing, done right, offering free shipping can increase profits, especially when combining shipments.
The two examples I cited are EXACTLY the same. The ONLY difference is that one seller included the postage total and the other did not. The method of shipment was EXACTLY the same and the s/h charge was EXACTLY the same.
Again, please explain the request for $2.00? While you state you can accept the seller profiting "$1 or less from his S&H charges," some of your previous comments contradict this as does your comprehension of the two IDENTICAL scenarios that I presented that you claim "two things are not the same." Then go off and describe something entirely different and unrelated.
Am I huffing and puffing? I don't think so. But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions. >>
Your scenario #1: Seller offers a $5 BIN with $5 shipping. Therefore, you are paying $5 for the card, and $5 for S&H, a service. If the card is $5, why not charge $2.50 for shipping if that covers your cost to ship the card? Because that seller wants the additional $2.50
Your scenario $2: Seller offers a BIN of $10 with free shipping. For a $2 shipping cost, you're paying $8 for the card. Subtract the shipping costs and that's the cost of the card.
Why can't seller #1 offer the same card at $5 with $3 S&H? Because he wants the extra $2. When some buyers see both side by side, it's pretty obvious they are not the same, ONLY the dollar amount is. That's fine for some people, but not for others.
Say what you want about $1-2 here or there. Multiply it by 1000 per month and it's not such a little thing anymore. But you will never have 5 stars for shipping if that is your business model. Accept it.
But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions.
Are you referring to me? I could assume so, since you replied to me, then asked for me ebay ID. When have I ever threatened you or anyone else in this thread? Why would you even think that? What internet-ceps am I flexing? And still, you would block me even though through my statements, I would give you 5 stars without thinking?
The $2 for nothing was meant as sahr-kaz-uhm, btw. I'm sure some got it
Storm is right about one thing, done right, offering free shipping can increase profits, especially when combining shipments. >>
See, I tried to make it simple, but COMPREHENSION is obviously not your strong suit. NOWHERE did I say anything about a $5.00 BIN with $5.00 shipping versus a $10.00 BIN. As I stated previously, you've decided to answer the question by making your own scenario WITHOUT answering mine. And you wonder why I would want to block you?
BTW, I realized the sarcasm. But also, the interesting truth is that is EXACTLY what you want. You want the seller's s/h profit (even though you know in advance that it is there) and that's what you've been complaining about.
To refresh, he are the two scenarios I posted. Feel free to reread them and answer rather than changing the parameters and conditions as you have above...
OTWCards originally wrote: A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
BTW Zixx, I realize that you were not one that threatened the DSR's. That was the CU resident dolt, skilow. My point with regard to your comments refers to the "$2.00 out of my pocket" reply several pages earlier in conjunction with some of the replies by others in this thread. If it appears that I've lumped you in with everyone else who has threatened DSR's, that was not my intention and I'm sorry. But I will stand by everything I have typed...
Hrmm, I did read that a little too fast and came to the wrong assumption. My argument was for a different point obviously.
Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario? No, you are not correct. As I've stated a few times, I pretty much assume the normal going rate for sellers to charge for S&H on a single card in a top loader is $3. And, with the exception of PWEs or sending a card in a penny sleeve, I never ding DSRs.
Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? What's naive about knowing the seller is tacking on $1-2 because he wants to make more money? Everyone knows that this is what is happening, so why be so defensive about it? Just admit you choose to profit on S&H fees.
Why not charge $6 for a top loader in a bubble mailer? $8? If the price should be factored in, would you expect to get dinged for charging $6 or $8?
Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding...
Funny thing is, I'm not complaining. All along, since page one of this thread, my point was simple. Here are possible reasons why someone left the OP a neutral and how he could have avoid it in the future. Have I ever said I make a point of being Ebay's S&H police and ding people whenever I can? So who am I chastising?
<< <i>BTW Zixx, I realize that you were not one that threatened the DSR's. That was the CU resident dolt, skilow. My point with regard to your comments refers to the "$2.00 out of my pocket" reply several pages earlier in conjunction with some of the replies by others in this thread. If it appears that I've lumped you in with everyone else who has threatened DSR's, that was not my intention and I'm sorry. But I will stand by everything I have typed... >>
Thank you, sir.
I kept wondering how I was getting grouped with DSR dingers. Even when I don't agree with the S&H fees I've paid, by the time I receive the card I don't remember it and just leave 5 stars down the list.
Hopefully I've not offended you in any way either.
I won a card (BIN) for over $500 recently. The seller offered free shipping. Great, it didn't really entice me to make the purchase, but whatever.
So the card arrived safely a few days later, but in a padded mailer with signature confirmation. The graded card had no extra protection around it. It was just thrown into the mailer. Now I'm cool that it arrived safely to me. But what happens if that card get's damaged, folded in half, etc... during shipment? The mailer didn't indicate it was insured. Perhaps the seller self insures. They did cover their ass with sign. conf. as I paid thru paypal.
What kind of lazy seller drops a $500+ graded card in a padded mailer without protection?
Now I'm not posting this as a reason to drill the sellers DSR's, but what if the card got damaged in shipment due to poor packaging by the seller?
Do you guys think the seller would have made good on the deal and refunded me or helped with the postal insurance claim? The seller shipped free, but didn't make insurance an option as you can't anymore per ebay rules.
The seller could've easily sent the card in a 400 count box for around $1.92 plus signature conf. cost, plus box cost, for a total of around $4 and avoided any problems occuring during shipment, but they didn't.
Luckily the card DID arrive safely, but it never ceases to amaze me the sheer laziness of sellers and their packaging practices.
<< <i>it never ceases to amaze me the sheer laziness of sellers and their packaging practices. >>
Got that right. At $500+ I would assume there's a decent profit margin there--surely enough to get a free Priority Mail box, some cardboard, newspaper or peanuts to protect it and ensure a safe delivery. When selling something at a profit for $100-200+, the last thing I want is to take a loss over $3 savings from not boxing it or the cost to insure it.
Maybe some just see a buyer with 1000+ feedback and believe they won't get scammed?
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edit: I'm keeping my 200. Patrick cheated.
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<< <i>do you also consider the bubble mailer? Say the sh is 2.26 with DC and you paid 3.50 would you be upset? >>
I probably mentally add 25 cents for the bubble mailer, so if sh is 2.26, throwing in roughly .25 for mailing and .50 for confirmation, so total cost is roughly $3. If they charged $3.50, I'd be fine, and give 5 stars for shipping. If the shipping charge were $4, I'd probably ding a star, so 4 stars for shipping. If it were $10, I'd give it one star.
And for the other post, yea, I agree, if shipping charges were hidden, I'd be blissfully ignorant, and give 5 stars for shipping. Unless of course, the shipping charge were $10, and came in a small bubble mailer shipped first class w/ no insurance. Then given so many small bubble mailers I get, I have a good idea on how much it costs to ship. I'd probably give the benefit of the doubt in most cases, but if shipping were $10 in that case, I'd probably ding a couple of stars (as opposed to giving 1 star if I knew the actual shipping charge). If the shipping were $5 or even $6, I'd probably give the benefit of the doubt and give 5 stars. Anything more, I'd probably ding still.
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<< <i>Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people. >>
I don't lower DSR or leave neutral/nagatives for shipping issues anymore, if I am unhappy I just don't leave feedback. But I will PM you my user ID.
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<< <i>Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people. >>
I don't lower DSR or leave neutral/nagatives for shipping issues anymore, if I am unhappy I just don't leave feedback. But I will PM you my user ID. >>
Thanks, your on my list.
You and others just do not get it Patrick....as I noted, I offer free shipping so we would have no problem there. However, you and the other posters, have continued to say that after you make a deal, and get the card/item, you are going to re-evaluate the transaction on conditions that have nothing to do with the item.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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<< <i>Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people. >>
I don't lower DSR or leave neutral/nagatives for shipping issues anymore, if I am unhappy I just don't leave feedback. But I will PM you my user ID. >>
Thanks, your on my list.
You and others just do not get it Patrick....as I noted, I offer free shipping so we would have no problem there. However, you and the other posters, have continued to say that after you make a deal, and get the card/item, you are going to re-evaluate the transaction on conditions that have nothing to do with the item. >>
Here I disagree, we are supposed to evaluate the listing/auction/service and not simply "the item."
I don't leave neutral/negatives or ding stars for a disagreement in shipping service.
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<< <i>Does anyone know the ebay names of skillow, CollectorAtWork and mullins5? I am serious about not wanting to do any business with you type of people. >>
I don't lower DSR or leave neutral/nagatives for shipping issues anymore, if I am unhappy I just don't leave feedback. But I will PM you my user ID. >>
Thanks, your on my list.
You and others just do not get it Patrick....as I noted, I offer free shipping so we would have no problem there. However, you and the other posters, have continued to say that after you make a deal, and get the card/item, you are going to re-evaluate the transaction on conditions that have nothing to do with the item. >>
I have also PM'd my ebay id for you to block.
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Thank you as well, Gary. (Hopefully not a Gary that ripped dozens of people off on this board.)
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<< <i>I don't even know where you are coming from right now Patrick. Have you not read your own comments? You have almost been the leader of idiots in this thresd.
Thank you as well, Gary. (Hopefully not a Gary that ripped dozens of people off on this board.) >>
No, that's not me since I only just got back in the hobby in April.
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If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . .
<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
Because people will hold them accountable.
actually, yes i have turned down people and told them to take a hike if there were whiny, demanding idiots
Plenty of good, nice mannered and intelligent folks that I was happy to deal with.
If your going to ding someone on shipping costs after you bought the item and knew the costs over .50 cents then you need your head examined.
<< <i>"Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?"
actually, yes i have turned down people and told them to take a hike if there were whiny, demanding idiots
Plenty of good, nice mannered and intelligent folks that I was happy to deal with.
If your going to ding someone on shipping costs after you bought the item and knew the costs over .50 cents then you need your head examined. >>
No . . . it's not .50 that was ever in question. I, like many others, have said there's no problem with profiting a little from shipping and handling charges. Afterall, that is what helps some sellers to actually stay in business and be able to offer their selection for sale.
It's when someone charges twice as much as the actual costs. Like charging $3 for shipping and using a PWE. Suddenly you care, eh? But if the card got to you safe and sound, you shouldn't? Tell me you wouldn't be irritated at the $2 the seller profited that came out of your pocket.
<< <i>"Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?"
actually, yes i have turned down people and told them to take a hike if there were whiny, demanding idiots
Plenty of good, nice mannered and intelligent folks that I was happy to deal with.
If your going to ding someone on shipping costs after you bought the item and knew the costs over .50 cents then you need your head examined. >>
people don't know the seller's cost until the item arrives.
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Ralph
Aside from a seller using a PWE, what difference should it make if they charge $2, $3 or $4 to ship your item? For those that want to do the math and try to figure the exact cost and detract from the DSR's accordingly, I think you need to get a grip. If you're that concerned whether the seller makes $0.25 or $1.25 on the shipping costs, and you're going to ding their DSR's as a result, then you're the kind of people that I have no interest in doing business with.
As a simple example, I ship almost everything I sell via USPS Priority Mail with Delivery Confirmation in the USPS Priority Mail shipping box. If the item is over $250, shipping is FREE via USPS Priority with Signature Confirmation. When I expect the item to be under $250, I put the item in a graded card bag and inside a bubble mailer then in the box. The shipping expense I charge for this is $5.00. I charge extra to Canada when delivery confirmation is necessary. When the item is less than $50, I offer the option of Priority or 1st Class with Insurance included and mailed without the box (graded card bag and bubble mailer) for $3.00. I'm guessing a few of the DSR dolts would have issue with this. Please feel free to PM me your eBay ID's so I can add you to my BBL.
Not to rehash the topic too much, but when you bid, you bid a price with the item and shipping cost in mind. As long as a reasonable effort is made to ship the item safely and securely and it arrives as such, I don't see ANY reason to get bent out of shape about the costs incurred by the seller. If he made a buck or lost a buck, he delivered on the contract that you entered into when you placed your bid. Attacking the DSR as a result is juvenile. Would you give him 6 stars if he shipped it for free? Even though you can't, I doubt most of you would. You're too narrow minded to understand some of the most simplistic business practices and how to be a responsible end user!
Again, please PM me with your eBay ID's. YOU NEED TO BE ON MY BBL LIST!
<< <i>I love threads like this... It brings out the idiocy in the idiots.
Aside from a seller using a PWE, what difference should it make if they charge $2, $3 or $4 to ship your item? For those that want to do the math and try to figure the exact cost and detract from the DSR's accordingly, I think you need to get a grip. If you're that concerned whether the seller makes $0.25 or $1.25 on the shipping costs, and you're going to ding their DSR's as a result, then you're the kind of people that I have no interest in doing business with.
As a simple example, I ship almost everything I sell via USPS Priority Mail with Delivery Confirmation in the USPS Priority Mail shipping box. If the item is over $250, shipping is FREE via USPS Priority with Signature Confirmation. When I expect the item to be under $250, I put the item in a graded card bag and inside a bubble mailer then in the box. The shipping expense I charge for this is $5.00. I charge extra to Canada when delivery confirmation is necessary. When the item is less than $50, I offer the option of Priority or 1st Class with Insurance included and mailed without the box (graded card bag and bubble mailer) for $3.00. I'm guessing a few of the DSR dolts would have issue with this. Please feel free to PM me your eBay ID's so I can add you to my BBL.
Not to rehash the topic too much, but when you bid, you bid a price with the item and shipping cost in mind. As long as a reasonable effort is made to ship the item safely and securely and it arrives as such, I don't see ANY reason to get bent out of shape about the costs incurred by the seller. If he made a buck or lost a buck, he delivered on the contract that you entered into when you placed your bid. Attacking the DSR as a result is juvenile. Would you give him 6 stars if he shipped it for free? Even though you can't, I doubt most of you would. You're too narrow minded to understand some of the most simplistic business practices and how to be a responsible end user!
Again, please PM me with your eBay ID's. YOU NEED TO BE ON MY BBL LIST! >>
Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often.
why would you want to block potential customers due to them posting their thoughts?......I get a 20% rebate of my ebay fees due to high DSR ratings. if I can eliminate a few potential buyers who may prevent me from getting my rebate then I'll add them to the BBL. I'd rather save my $100 plus dollars on ebay fees month after month then to have a one time $5 sale from one of those buyers.
<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
So if anyone thinks that this was justified and I deserved to be dinged that way, please PM me your ebay id so I can block you like I did this guy.
PS:it takes 1 year to get these low stars removed from my record, even after this guy dinged me my ratings are still 4.9,5.0,5.0,4.9 but according to ebay rules this will not be good enough to maintain my top rated seller status and my 20% discount. 3,872 positives
0 negatives and I am not good enough for the 20% discount.
Steve
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There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
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Now there is something I totally sympathize with; if you ship quickly and offer free shipping, there should not even be a possibility for any buyer to ding you for shipping charges. I have no idea why someone would, but that is a true idiot.
And for Diamondman, I can see your point. I had more in mind people selling low dollar items and moving quantity for the purpose of profiting on shipping. I don't mind a business model of selling $5 items and charging $3 to ship and profiting $1 for every package that goes out - 1000 packages per month + profit from the item can really add up. That seller could care less what his DSR's are. On the other side of the coin, as you mentioned is the sellers who do sell high dollar items. Then, I'm sure, that 20% savings on seller fees adds up for them.
And yes, the person who hit you with 1-2 stars gives idiots a bad name . . .
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<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards. >>
if Storm said this then I would have to respectfully disagree with him. The transaction is not over until the buyer has the item and leaves appropriate feedback, only then can the buyer know if the seller's "Shipping and handling charges" were too high for the item(s).
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<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards. >>
if Storm said this then I would have to respectfully disagree with him. The transaction is not over until the buyer has the item and leaves appropriate feedback, only then can the buyer know if the seller's "Shipping and handling charges" were too high for the item(s). >>
Hence, you are on my block list.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards. >>
if Storm said this then I would have to respectfully disagree with him. The transaction is not over until the buyer has the item and leaves appropriate feedback, only then can the buyer know if the seller's "Shipping and handling charges" were too high for the item(s). >>
Hence, you are on my block list. >>
I highly doubt you have anything I want to buy.
<< <i>I just got back from a miserable day on the golf course. I see this thread is still going. To save me from having to read it all has anyone made a good point that caused anyone to change their opinion? >>
No you have not missed anything, tune in tomorrow!
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<< <i>There's two kinds of sellers. One group who wants to charge the buyer either the exact shipping charges they will spend or slightly higher and the other group, the ones who want to profit to some extent from shipping and handling charges. Pretty plain and simple.
If you are in the second group, then DSR dings and perhaps a neutral from time to time should be EXPECTED. The more the difference is between your charge and the actual expense, the higher your odds are of getting dinged. Especially if you do your shipping from the post office and the $1.78 is listed right on the package.
And for those who have stated they want to block people's Ebay IDs here for posting their thoughts . . . wow, could you sound any more idiotic? Seriously? Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from? Have you ever done card shows and NOT sold to someone because of their opinions?
And for the record, not everyone is saying they would leave neutral/negatives, or that they would ding stars, but rather people are simply pointing out WHY some people do or would. I just don't understand the arrogance . . . >>
There is a third group which offers free shipping. I fall in that group.....but that doesn't save you from dinged stars either, also in the long run, it costs the buyer more, but if that is what several of you want...
Again, I see it very simple. An eBay bid, according to it's site, is a contract. Do not enter contracts you are not comfortable with. Don't buy that new car at 12% interest. If the seller wants $4 shipping and handling...which is the case of graded cards, about normal, you agree to that, then that is what that means. $4 is not considered high by eBay standards. That is fair. If you ding someone stars you are completely wrong. You are re-evaluting a deal you entered, on wether the deal was fair or good value. This is something you should decide before the purchase on any item. It is unfair to any seller to do otherwise. Storm is correct noting, that basically means you decided to ding the person's stars or leave neg/neurtral....before you made the purchase.
So yes, if you fall in that group, then I have nothing to sell you.
Interestingly, I just kicked a group of people off my porch. Neighborhood church goes who's church has made the national news a couple times for messages of hate on its message boards. >>
if Storm said this then I would have to respectfully disagree with him. The transaction is not over until the buyer has the item and leaves appropriate feedback, only then can the buyer know if the seller's "Shipping and handling charges" were too high for the item(s). >>
Hence, you are on my block list. >>
I highly doubt you have anything I want to buy. >>
I shouldn't.
I do not agree with you in what is fair business practice, therefore I do not want to enter any business transaction with you. You likewise, should not want to enter any business transaction with me. So yes, I have nothing to sell you and you should not want anything from me.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often. >>
You just don't get it then . . . Why would I send you $2.00 without either of providing a service or supplying goods? I'm still waiting for your eBay ID...
Let me make this a little more simplistic with an example that you might comprehend...
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Feel free to respond and discuss...
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<< <i>Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often. >>
You just don't get it then . . . Why would I send you $2.00 without either of providing a service or supplying goods? I'm still waiting for your eBay ID...
Let me make this a little more simplistic with an example that you might comprehend...
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Feel free to respond and discuss... >>
I only have issues with PWEs where I am charged $3+ in shipping, everything else I am pretty much fine with.
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<< <i>Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often. >>
You just don't get it then . . . Why would I send you $2.00 without either of providing a service or supplying goods? I'm still waiting for your eBay ID...
Let me make this a little more simplistic with an example that you might comprehend...
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Feel free to respond and discuss... >>
Okie dokie
I'm still waiting for your eBay ID... puh-leeze . . .
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Yet again, I shall try to explain. People are pointing out why SOME people ding sellers DSRs. I think I have left <5 stars just a handful of times, one being when someone sent me searched boxes of SP years ago. I leave 5 stars because I understand the sellers PoV and realize how stupid the whole thing is. To ME, I never give a second thought at paying $3 for S&H and pretty much think it's the standard for non slabbed cards. Unless it arrives in a PWE -- 5 stars from me.
I just got a card that someone sent in a mailer listed at 1 ounce. I know what he paid. Did I care? No. Had he charged me $5 for shipping and the same 1 ounce package arrived and not a Priority Mail box, I probably would ding him by leaving 4 stars for shipping. Why? Because that IS TOO MUCH for the service provided (or lack thereof). The DSR's--stupidly enough, and blame Ebay--are the buyers opinions of the transaction, not the sellers.
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
Funny thing is, two things are not the same. If someone sells a $5 item with $5 S&H, order totaling $10, it's different than an item selling for $10 dlvd. The former denotes a quality of service provided - perhaps more packing material, sent in a Priority Mail box, etc. Also, the seller is pretty much stating that he profits on S&H charges, which IS A BUSINESS MODEL! There's NOTHING wrong with that, but so many of you want to justify it in other ways. The amount you choose as profit IS what matters, though. A person who sells knows what shipping charges are for these items. When you add 50%, it's obvious you didn't need to at times. Secondly, a buyer who buys two IDENTICAL cards from different buyers wonders why one costs $2.50 but the other costs $4 -- yet it's the same price from USPS. Again, the buyer leaves DSR's of his or her opinion. And, again, a seller should expect that if his profit margins from S&H is too high.
As I've said before, I'm totally fine when the seller profits $1 or less from his S&H charges. I'd never ding them for that.
Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Huff and fluff all you want, it doesn't bother me. But, what are MY childish actions? Trying to explain the reasoning of others? To try to get some people to understand the scenarios and why they might get their DSRs dinged? To actually provide a solution for them NOT to have DSR hits? For THIS you want to block me?
wow . . .
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<< <i>Zixx writes:
<< <i>Can you Paypal me $2 for absolutely no reason? Sounds like you're willing to do it often. >>
You just don't get it then . . . Why would I send you $2.00 without either of providing a service or supplying goods? I'm still waiting for your eBay ID...
Let me make this a little more simplistic with an example that you might comprehend...
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Feel free to respond and discuss... >>
Okie dokie
I'm still waiting for your eBay ID... puh-leeze . . .
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Yet again, I shall try to explain. People are pointing out why SOME people ding sellers DSRs. I think I have left <5 stars just a handful of times, one being when someone sent me searched boxes of SP years ago. I leave 5 stars because I understand the sellers PoV and realize how stupid the whole thing is. To ME, I never give a second thought at paying $3 for S&H and pretty much think it's the standard for non slabbed cards. Unless it arrives in a PWE -- 5 stars from me.
I just got a card that someone sent in a mailer listed at 1 ounce. I know what he paid. Did I care? No. Had he charged me $5 for shipping and the same 1 ounce package arrived and not a Priority Mail box, I probably would ding him by leaving 4 stars for shipping. Why? Because that IS TOO MUCH for the service provided (or lack thereof). The DSR's--stupidly enough, and blame Ebay--are the buyers opinions of the transaction, not the sellers.
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
Funny thing is, two things are not the same. If someone sells a $5 item with $5 S&H, order totaling $10, it's different than an item selling for $10 dlvd. The former denotes a quality of service provided - perhaps more packing material, sent in a Priority Mail box, etc. Also, the seller is pretty much stating that he profits on S&H charges, which IS A BUSINESS MODEL! There's NOTHING wrong with that, but so many of you want to justify it in other ways. The amount you choose as profit IS what matters, though. A person who sells knows what shipping charges are for these items. When you add 50%, it's obvious you didn't need to at times. Secondly, a buyer who buys two IDENTICAL cards from different buyers wonders why one costs $2.50 but the other costs $4 -- yet it's the same price from USPS. Again, the buyer leaves DSR's of his or her opinion. And, again, a seller should expect that if his profit margins from S&H is too high.
As I've said before, I'm totally fine when the seller profits $1 or less from his S&H charges. I'd never ding them for that.
Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Huff and fluff all you want, it doesn't bother me. But, what are MY childish actions? Trying to explain the reasoning of others? To try to get some people to understand the scenarios and why they might get their DSRs dinged? To actually provide a solution for them NOT to have DSR hits? For THIS you want to block me?
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The two examples I cited are EXACTLY the same. The ONLY difference is that one seller included the postage total and the other did not. The method of shipment was EXACTLY the same and the s/h charge was EXACTLY the same.
Again, please explain the request for $2.00? While you state you can accept the seller profiting "$1 or less from his S&H charges," some of your previous comments contradict this as does your comprehension of the two IDENTICAL scenarios that I presented that you claim "two things are not the same." Then go off and describe something entirely different and unrelated.
Am I huffing and puffing? I don't think so. But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions.
"...Why on earth do people want to limit the amount of people they sell to and profit from?..."
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On EBAY, there are MILLIONS of potential buyers.
MOST sellers are really not interested in doing biznez with
buyers who are more trouble than they are worth.
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I use BINs w/Free Shipping on all accounts.
I have NEVER had higher than a 4.9 in the relevant DSR;
it usually bounces between 4.6 and 4.8.
That's fine with me.
"Free" Shipping is a great profit center. I collect more than
I would if I was charging a listed-price for shipping, and I
never have to listen to the whiners.
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Agreeing to pay a shipping cost is not the same as being satisfied with the shipping cost.
I understand that buyers are under no obligation to purchase a card and we can all agree that the DSR system is broken but a sellers DSR is nothing more than an opinion of the seller by the buyer. I am a seller and a buyer. I knowingly overcharge my customers on shipping to profit on smaller sales. I hope that every future customer of mine reviews my shipping charges and understands that this is a natural cost of purchasing a good. I personally always give 5 stars across the board (even to Memory Lane with their $5.95 shipping costs) but I completely understand a buyer giving low feedback for being overcharged for shipping.
Despite what everyone is saying the shipping cost is not part of the sale price. There is the sale price and the delivery charge, they are separate and if you are being overcharged for shipping you have the right to get pissed.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
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The two examples I cited are EXACTLY the same. The ONLY difference is that one seller included the postage total and the other did not. The method of shipment was EXACTLY the same and the s/h charge was EXACTLY the same.
Again, please explain the request for $2.00? While you state you can accept the seller profiting "$1 or less from his S&H charges," some of your previous comments contradict this as does your comprehension of the two IDENTICAL scenarios that I presented that you claim "two things are not the same." Then go off and describe something entirely different and unrelated.
Am I huffing and puffing? I don't think so. But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions. >>
Your scenario #1: Seller offers a $5 BIN with $5 shipping. Therefore, you are paying $5 for the card, and $5 for S&H, a service. If the card is $5, why not charge $2.50 for shipping if that covers your cost to ship the card? Because that seller wants the additional $2.50
Your scenario $2: Seller offers a BIN of $10 with free shipping. For a $2 shipping cost, you're paying $8 for the card. Subtract the shipping costs and that's the cost of the card.
Why can't seller #1 offer the same card at $5 with $3 S&H? Because he wants the extra $2. When some buyers see both side by side, it's pretty obvious they are not the same, ONLY the dollar amount is. That's fine for some people, but not for others.
Say what you want about $1-2 here or there. Multiply it by 1000 per month and it's not such a little thing anymore. But you will never have 5 stars for shipping if that is your business model. Accept it.
But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions.
Are you referring to me? I could assume so, since you replied to me, then asked for me ebay ID. When have I ever threatened you or anyone else in this thread? Why would you even think that? What internet-ceps am I flexing? And still, you would block me even though through my statements, I would give you 5 stars without thinking?
The $2 for nothing was meant as sahr-kaz-uhm, btw. I'm sure some got it
Storm is right about one thing, done right, offering free shipping can increase profits, especially when combining shipments.
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The two examples I cited are EXACTLY the same. The ONLY difference is that one seller included the postage total and the other did not. The method of shipment was EXACTLY the same and the s/h charge was EXACTLY the same.
Again, please explain the request for $2.00? While you state you can accept the seller profiting "$1 or less from his S&H charges," some of your previous comments contradict this as does your comprehension of the two IDENTICAL scenarios that I presented that you claim "two things are not the same." Then go off and describe something entirely different and unrelated.
Am I huffing and puffing? I don't think so. But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions. >>
Your scenario #1: Seller offers a $5 BIN with $5 shipping. Therefore, you are paying $5 for the card, and $5 for S&H, a service. If the card is $5, why not charge $2.50 for shipping if that covers your cost to ship the card? Because that seller wants the additional $2.50
Your scenario $2: Seller offers a BIN of $10 with free shipping. For a $2 shipping cost, you're paying $8 for the card. Subtract the shipping costs and that's the cost of the card.
Why can't seller #1 offer the same card at $5 with $3 S&H? Because he wants the extra $2. When some buyers see both side by side, it's pretty obvious they are not the same, ONLY the dollar amount is. That's fine for some people, but not for others.
Say what you want about $1-2 here or there. Multiply it by 1000 per month and it's not such a little thing anymore. But you will never have 5 stars for shipping if that is your business model. Accept it.
But those that seem to be so pompous as to threaten or terrorize DSR ratings over s/h costs that don't suit their preferences strikes me as childish. If that helps you guys pump up your Internet muscles, I'm fine with that, but I don't want you to be able to bid on my auctions.
Are you referring to me? I could assume so, since you replied to me, then asked for me ebay ID. When have I ever threatened you or anyone else in this thread? Why would you even think that? What internet-ceps am I flexing? And still, you would block me even though through my statements, I would give you 5 stars without thinking?
The $2 for nothing was meant as sahr-kaz-uhm, btw. I'm sure some got it
Storm is right about one thing, done right, offering free shipping can increase profits, especially when combining shipments. >>
See, I tried to make it simple, but COMPREHENSION is obviously not your strong suit. NOWHERE did I say anything about a $5.00 BIN with $5.00 shipping versus a $10.00 BIN. As I stated previously, you've decided to answer the question by making your own scenario WITHOUT answering mine. And you wonder why I would want to block you?
BTW, I realized the sarcasm. But also, the interesting truth is that is EXACTLY what you want. You want the seller's s/h profit (even though you know in advance that it is there) and that's what you've been complaining about.
To refresh, he are the two scenarios I posted. Feel free to reread them and answer rather than changing the parameters and conditions as you have above...
OTWCards originally wrote:
A seller offers an item with s/h listed for $3.00. You execute a bid including the $3.00 into your proxy. You win the item. It arrives in a bubble mailer, well packaged with a postage totaling $1.48 as a random example. In you're mind, the seller doubled up on you and put $1.52 of YOUR money into HIS pocket. Hence, you feel you are justified in dinging his DSR rating. Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario?
Now, assume the same scenario but the seller does not print the postage amount on the item. Does this change your opinion? Your expense is the same, the seller's profit is the same. You just don't know that the shipping cost was $1.48. Would you handle this the same way?
If the answer two the unprinted postage is, "yes," then please advise what you expect for $3.00. To what lengths do you expect the seller to go to exhaust the balance of the shipping fee? Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? I'm assuming that you're intelligent enough to know that the item will probably arrive in a mailer with less than $2.00 s/h. Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding... Hence, the reason that I, and apparently several others, would prefer to block potential bidders such as yourself and the others that think like you. It isn't worth risking our discounts with your unreasonable expectations and childish actions.
Am I correct in how you would feel given this scenario? No, you are not correct. As I've stated a few times, I pretty much assume the normal going rate for sellers to charge for S&H on a single card in a top loader is $3. And, with the exception of PWEs or sending a card in a penny sleeve, I never ding DSRs.
Are you so naive as to expect that a seller offering an item with $3.00 or $4.00 s/h on an item to use the full balance on postage? What's naive about knowing the seller is tacking on $1-2 because he wants to make more money? Everyone knows that this is what is happening, so why be so defensive about it? Just admit you choose to profit on S&H fees.
Why not charge $6 for a top loader in a bubble mailer? $8? If the price should be factored in, would you expect to get dinged for charging $6 or $8?
Given this assumption and the fact that you bid with this in mind (even if subliminally), it appears pretty obvious that you, and the others that complain about this, have already made up your mind that you plan to chastise the seller at the point of bidding...
Funny thing is, I'm not complaining. All along, since page one of this thread, my point was simple. Here are possible reasons why someone left the OP a neutral and how he could have avoid it in the future. Have I ever said I make a point of being Ebay's S&H police and ding people whenever I can? So who am I chastising?
<< <i>BTW Zixx, I realize that you were not one that threatened the DSR's. That was the CU resident dolt, skilow. My point with regard to your comments refers to the "$2.00 out of my pocket" reply several pages earlier in conjunction with some of the replies by others in this thread. If it appears that I've lumped you in with everyone else who has threatened DSR's, that was not my intention and I'm sorry. But I will stand by everything I have typed... >>
Thank you, sir.
I kept wondering how I was getting grouped with DSR dingers. Even when I don't agree with the S&H fees I've paid, by the time I receive the card I don't remember it and just leave 5 stars down the list.
Hopefully I've not offended you in any way either.
I won a card (BIN) for over $500 recently. The seller offered free shipping. Great, it didn't really entice me to make the purchase, but whatever.
So the card arrived safely a few days later, but in a padded mailer with signature confirmation. The graded card had no extra protection around it. It was just thrown into the mailer. Now I'm cool that it arrived safely to me. But what happens if that card get's damaged, folded in half, etc... during shipment? The mailer didn't indicate it was insured. Perhaps the seller self insures. They did cover their ass with sign. conf. as I paid thru paypal.
What kind of lazy seller drops a $500+ graded card in a padded mailer without protection?
Now I'm not posting this as a reason to drill the sellers DSR's, but what if the card got damaged in shipment due to poor packaging by the seller?
Do you guys think the seller would have made good on the deal and refunded me or helped with the postal insurance claim? The seller shipped free, but didn't make insurance an option as you can't anymore per ebay rules.
The seller could've easily sent the card in a 400 count box for around $1.92 plus signature conf. cost, plus box cost, for a total of
around $4 and avoided any problems occuring during shipment, but they didn't.
Luckily the card DID arrive safely, but it never ceases to amaze me the sheer laziness of sellers and their packaging practices.
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Got that right. At $500+ I would assume there's a decent profit margin there--surely enough to get a free Priority Mail box, some cardboard, newspaper or peanuts to protect it and ensure a safe delivery. When selling something at a profit for $100-200+, the last thing I want is to take a loss over $3 savings from not boxing it or the cost to insure it.
Maybe some just see a buyer with 1000+ feedback and believe they won't get scammed?
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