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NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Grade, value, originality, die variety etc... From my collection

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Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    uninformed reply: Dang! That's beautiful. Mid-AU something. Doesn't look messed with from my vantage. Great, rich color. image
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    She looks very nice, but the dig on the wing hurts a little bit. And it looks like it had an old cleaning.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Except for that gouge in the wing, it looks like a nice original AU55 coin. I wonder if that gouge was from someone testing the coin to make sure it was gold rather than a gold plated base metal counterfeit.

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    IMO cleaned ex-jewerly, but I like it.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Crusty old gold... with character. Cheers, RickO
  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks pretty nice to me
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Choice AU sharpness and originality, but sadly it's not gradeable. The already mentioned gouge on the right wing plus the rim damage at 5k on the obverse and 6k on the reverse would put it in a "genuine" holder. Without the damage it lists for $8,250 in AU-50 on the Gray Sheet. In "genuine" holder it's probably worth $4,500 or so.
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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I like the color and the luster - too bad about the rim issues and the bruise in the wing.
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  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Choice AU sharpness and originality, but sadly it's not gradeable. The already mentioned gouge on the right wing plus the rim damage at 5k on the obverse and 6k on the reverse would put it in a "genuine" holder. Without the damage it lists for $8,250 in AU-50 on the Gray Sheet. In "genuine" holder it's probably worth $4,500 or so. >>


    Good assessment. This is from a Stack's auction at $3680. Stack's description was accurate, I talked to a rep about the coin before the auction. The minor rim issues would not be as noticable in a genuine holder and I have seen much worse rim dings in graded slabs, without the wing hit it would be a $10K coin. The coin has been wiped but not a full clean, the exposed areas in the high points and fields are lighter in color, protected areas have deep toning which I think is original.

    In general, I like it better than most of the dipped out sun yellow slabbed early gold at a third of the price. The obverse design has also grown on me, and I have bought a couple of graded examples since this purchase.

    edit - link to the Stack's auction Stack's
    Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The centers have been wiped and the piece seems to have been ex jewlery based on the fact that there are rims dings at both 12 and 6 o'clock
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The centers have been wiped and the piece seems to have been ex jewlery based on the fact that there are rims dings at both 12 and 6 o'clock >>



    You might be right about the wipping, but the color is still much better that those "white gold" pieces that have been dipped ugly IMO. The coin may well be ex-jewlery too, but for the right price it's still a decent example given the high prices for early, pre-1833 U.S. gold.
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>In general, I like it better than most of the dipped out sun yellow slabbed early gold at a third of the price. >>


    I fully agree with your own assessment!
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The centers have been wiped and the piece seems to have been ex jewlery based on the fact that there are rims dings at both 12 and 6 o'clock >>



    You might be right about the wipping, but the color is still much better that those "white gold" pieces that have been dipped ugly IMO. The coin may well be ex-jewlery too, but for the right price it's still a decent example given the high prices for early, pre-1833 U.S. gold. >>


    I agree. I have seen worse holdered.
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW!!!! I love it! Great pick-up ! These coins are just beautiful and you did a great job, great rich color, very nice!imageimage
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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    If the color is accurate I really like it. I would give it a 53, Plus, sticker. image
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