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Never thought I would say this, but I dont care if a coin has been cleaned

I have a nice set if gold, been building a second set. The other day dealer offer me a "rare" let juts call it tough CC $5 gold piece in an old white anancs AU-58 holder. As I made an offer the dealer say. "you sure you want it it has been cleaned." Not wizzed, not brushed, not tooled, just an old light dip. I said yeas and the price was adjusted according to the slab. I keep seeing all of these threads on, looks good, old cleaning, we are talking 150-200 year old coins here. Some of my set is slabbed some is raw, but they are all great coins. If it is an attractive coin and I like it, then giddy up. I don't see many 200 year old coins that some one at some point messed with. Just my 2 cents.

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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For copper I think it's a disaster for the value.
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    "...just an old light dip." that doesn't constitute cleaning in my book (or PCGS's or NGC's or ANACS'). What does it say on the holder?
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A picture would help. However, if a dip, as opposed to a scrubbing with a wire brush, then it really is not a cleaning. Cheers, RickO
  • cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A picture would help. However, if a dip, as opposed to a scrubbing with a wire brush, then it really is not a cleaning. Cheers, RickO >>

    How can you tell the difference between a dip and a cleaning on gold coins?

    Also, why isn't a dip considered to be a "cleaning?" Doesn't a dip also remove metal?
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thats up to the individual on what the person wants. i hope you enjoy the coin image
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    What I find funny is the people who detest cleaning when the coin is in a damaged slab or Gen'y but don't mind so much when it is a graded one. I think people care more about the impact on value to their asset and never really take the time to judge the coin on its own merits. Some of my best coins aren't 100% original.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lots of coins are dipped, but they generally are not noted as such on the slab. If ANACS noted it as "cleaned" then there was almost certainly more than a dip that happened to that coin in the past. If it wasn't noted as "cleaned" then it might very well have been dipped.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623


    << <i>Lots of coins are dipped, but they generally are not noted as such on the slab. If ANACS noted it as "cleaned" then there was almost certainly more than a dip that happened to that coin in the past. If it wasn't noted as "cleaned" then it might very well have been dipped. >>



    Very true, but it should be noted there are a lot of over dipped coins with no hairlines in cleand holders too(and graded ones).
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sometimes you know something has been cleaned a bit, but for the right price and considering the availability, you can live with it. Here are two examples I just purchased, an Oak Tree shilling and a Pine Tree shilling.

    Bowers lists this Oak Tree shilling as rare (Noe 4, URS-6, est. 17 to 32 known), but that’s not important because very few people collect these by die variety. The important part is that it is an Oak Tree shilling, which was issued circa 1660 – 1667. PCGS graded this EF-45. Only a little better than this, and the coin goes to 5 figures quite easily.

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    This Pine Tree shilling, Noe-1, is the most common large planchet variety (URS 11, est. 500 to 999 known), but it is considered to be most attractive variety. This one's sins are a bit more obvious, but the coins came as package deal which made the deal work. The large planchet Pine Tree shillings were issued from 1667 to 1675. This on is also a PCGS EF-45.

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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...cleaning is subjective. image




















    ...OOPS! i meant grading. image
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  • COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    IMO, one of the worse looks is dipped out AUs. The next worse is 120 year old proof coins that are bright as a mirror, but you can still see a few flecks of tarnish that was too heavy to 100% remove. We can debate all day if dipping is cleaning, but it does wreck allot of coins. What is the point? To make coins look like jewelry? Are we like a bunch of turkeys that like to peck at bright shiney objects?

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