<< <i>I will attempt to add all 11 coins to this thread.. Here goes.
>>
<< The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.
3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?
3013 Whats in front of the face???
3014 Is the eagles breast flat?
3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!
3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???
If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging. >>
In the OP's defense, these coins are desirable primarily for their attractive toning features, not from a technical standpoint in terms of contact marks or strike features. Did you check the grades assigned before making disparaging comments?
3007 A few ticks behind the head but the fields and devices are clean.
3013 It's graded MS64. Again, it's graded MS64 and not any higher.
3014 That is an 1883-O. That date comes flat-breasted as struck. If anything the strike on the obverse is a more relevant issue pertaining to the assigned grade.
3015 You made an extra effort to point out the evidence of handling on the reverse, but failed to comment on the toning on the obverse. That coin is also graded MS65(+), and from what I see it fully deserves that grade.
3016 Coin is graded MS64(+). MS64 grade Morgans are allowed a few hits on the fields. It's not like it graded a 67 or anything.
The author of that set of comments as quoted above should show us some of his comparable toners and in turn teach us what, in his opinions, good coins should look like.
There! That's better!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
Some spectacular examples of Nature's handiwork; I'll never be able to afford coins like this, and rarely get to go to shows, so seeing these images is a real treat. Hats off to gsaguy for having the patience and persistence to assemble such a magnificent collection. I'm sure the new owners of these coins will be very happy.
Thanks for showing some of Bryan's coins that we had all heard about but that he was delinquet in getting pictures of to show us I agree about the grades and the look....they aren't priced for the grades. Please ignore the trolling of a few members who have nothing better to do and don't ever back things up....they just complain and attack.
Again, thanks for the thread and posting your results and the photos!
<< <i>Some spectacular examples of Nature's handiwork; I'll never be able to afford coins like this, and rarely get to go to shows, so seeing these images is a real treat. Hats off to gsaguy for having the patience and persistence to assemble such a magnificent collection. I'm sure the new owners of these coins will be very happy. >>
I'm one of the new owners (bought 2 of them) and I'm pleased with the toning AND the technical grades on the slabs.
What I would like to know is how people feel the Sonnier toned Morgans stack up against the Battle Creek Morgans.
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Sweet coins and thanks for sharing Larry!!!!!!! Honestly, grades are secondary on coins like this and I never once looked for "flaws . Pointless. MJ
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<< <i>These are not $5,000.00 coins! Yes, they are beautiful-but some coins have problems. So why show off such an overpriced 83-O then?
I bought one coin from legend and it sure was't $5,000.00. I collect dollars I know the game here. Just being realistic and trying to educate.
These coins here weren't the best from the collection anyway. I can only imagine how crazy those coins were. >>
I'm curious. What was educational about your posts in this thread? I found this last post nothing more then mean spirited. Just being truthful. FYI- You are correct about one thing. These are not $5000 coins. I believe Larry has the most expensive of these listed at $4500. Am I wrong? The 83-0 I believe it is listed well below that. Your Legend purchase is irrelevant to this thread. Do you think you are the only one in this thread that knows "the game"? Geez............MJ
edited to say that Laura was kind enough to show me a few of Bryan's coins prior to the announcement that the deal was put together. Yes, these coins where amongst the KILLERS of the collection and they WERE AMAZING. The OP never claimed his purchases were the best of the collection. However, the collection itself in it's entirety was the best of the best for what it was................ An ungraded color explosion of Morgans each carefully bought on it's own merit and various degree of cuteness.
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<< <i>These are not $5,000.00 coins! Yes, they are beautiful-but some coins have problems. So why show off such an overpriced 83-O then?
I bought one coin from legend and it sure was't $5,000.00. I collect dollars I know the game here. Just being realistic and trying to educate.
These coins here weren't the best from the collection anyway. I can only imagine how crazy those coins were. >>
What part of your previous post was the "educational" part? If I remember correctly it was nothing more than hostile and condescending without the benefit of being constructive in any way.
If you collect Morgan dollars then you know that the O-mint issues, especially the earlier date issues, rarely came attractively toned and if there was colorful toning present the toning was almost never lustrous and not dull.
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"What part of your previous post was the "educational" part?" Come on guys. There are at least 3 other responses here questioning the grades and one or two the prices.
The coins are beautiful for sure. Can't you people see he's manipulating to sell these at sick money? That is what I am educating about. These coins are not worth $5,000.00. His claims of selling coins to "experts" at $5,000.00 each sounds fishy. I've spoken to two of the biggest colored Morgan dealers. Neither of them paid $5,000.00 for anything. Am I a dealer? No. But I know a bad deal when I see it. This is a typical dealer set up:
Look at this statement: "At the last 2 shows,I sold 2 similar coins at 5k each to color experts..they made ME the offers,and I am sure they sold those coins for 7-8k. There are people out there who will pay for the right color."
I own three toners now. if I could figure out how to post them, I would. Please quit thinking I am attacking the coins.
Here is my "very educated take" on what's going on right now past and present:
Bryan sold some very nice coins for some very good prices....surely way way more than he paid but that is the benefit of picking a lot of these coins up before the market really exploded during the Battle Creek sales. I have no problem with Bryan making a wad of cash on some really nice coins.....equally I don't have a problem with Larry buying these coins, having them graded and then reselling them for what ever he feels is a fair price. What I think the coins are worth and what others think the coins are worth is totally irrelevant as it comes down to what a buyer will pay so if he says he has buyers willing to spend $5k then I not only tend to believe him but I know quite a few of these individuals myself.
Here is the problem I have with all this and it's not Bryan's fault and it's not Larry’s fault....
I think the Battle Creek sales nearly destroyed the toned Morgan market because the prices paid were so strong even for MS63 and MS64 coins that a lot of collectors including myself were buried in the coins at those prices. Sure the top pieces resold for profit initially, and some of those top pieces would still bring strong prices today but what about the other 90% of the pieces that were pretty and clean but not the neon glow in the dark variety. Those coins can be picked up for discounted prices every single day now and when a collector pays $1,000 bucks for a coin and then they go to resell it and they can only get $500 or $300...well let's just say they are quick to walk away from that segment of the hobby as folks want to purchase coins that will at least retain most of their value over the long run.
A bigger problem then just getting discounted prices for the battle creeks is that it then prompted 100's of dealers, wannabes and long timers to jack up the prices of every coin that had in their inventory with even a hint of color. Those extremely elevated prices can still be seen today as these coins languish in their inventories because a big chunk of the folks who were buyers of the toned material moved on to greener pastures as the price points just got stupid. The toned coin market is not as strong today as it was 5 years ago but dealers are still pricing the coins like it is 2005.....perhaps they too are buried in their coins at the prices they paid and they are just unwilling to cut their loses and get out of bad coins?
Now fast forward to 2010.... Bryan's truly exceptional coins hit the market, are priced at moon money and or sell at moon money and we repeat the Battle Creek cycle all over again with regards to dealer now viewing all toned coins as goldmines. I was just beginning to find some coins here and there that we accurately priced based on today’s fair market value....and now I fully expect to see a plethora of $1200-$2500 average toned MS63's and MS64's pouring into the hobby once again. Sure I blame seller’s ignorance on the problem but that isn't much consolation when I go to shows and can't buy anything with color for less than 10X to 20X PCGS guide
<< <i>The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.
3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?
3013 Whats in front of the face???
3014 Is the eagles breast flat?
3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!
3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???
If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging. >>
All cheap shot negative comments without attempt to be constructive. What a jerk!
Perhaps he should show us a few of his rainbow toned dollars and let everybody else judge whose coins are nicer. >>
Why is it you happen to believe it's incumbent upon you to label a person a "jerk" for simply using his brain and pointing out to you and the rest of us where he happens to believe these grades happen to be inflated? That's ignernt. Plum ignernt...
I honestly don't think that those questioning the technical grading of these are trolling or attacking anyone. Just about every day on the forum, someone posts a coin that people point out as misgraded or not worth the money (to them) because of some ding, tick, reedmark, strike problem, or bland toning. It's often been pointed out by those posting these comments that it's not being done in mean-spiritedness, just done to educate.
In this case, perhaps a few larger egos have been injured by someone pointing out their opinions on the coins involved. The coins are beautiful, and it has been pointed out the value is in the color, but if we're at a point where only positive comments can be made about what certain forum members post, I don't think that it helps a new collector who's stepping into the market for the first time and trying to get his head around why a toned coin with marks grades the same as one he sent in that's technically two points better.
Maybe the forumites who have coins above question could be given a red shirt avatar by our sponsor so we know who's threads we can make comments on. Now where's that emoticon with that guy on his knees worshipping something.
<< <i>Well.. I had to list the coin at some price....and I really didn't want that to show,but I don't know how to link the pic only.. Todd will teach me later.
At the last 2 shows,I sold 2 similar coins at 5k each to color experts..they made ME the offers,and I am sure they sold those coins for 7-8k. There are people out there who will pay for the right color. >>
Larry,
I'd like to know what year/grade/mint the coins were that you sold to these "color experts"?
A very small percentage of morgans are worth strong strong premiums, so I find it hard to believe that a so called "color expert" would pay 5K for a common date with common color similar to some that you posted in this thread. Most the coins you posted in this thread are early (S) mint morgans, very common with color, very common with color and high grades, the other couple you posted are extremly common with color and extremly common with monster color. You dont have a coin worth any where near 5k posted in this thread or any where near 4k posted in this thread. If any one purchase one of these from you for anywhere near 5k that would obviously not be a color expert and it would be clear by the purchase price.
Two prominent dealers also have Sonnier coins listed on their websites in common dates/mint marks in grades 65 and 66. They range in price from $2250 to $4850 depending on color. Some other coins from Bryan's collection have already been sold at much higher prices. If someone cherry picked two of Larry's better coins then the $5000 number sounds more then plausible...........MJ
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<< <i>Here is my "very educated take" on what's going on right now past and present:
Bryan sold some very nice coins for some very good prices....surely way way more than he paid but that is the benefit of picking a lot of these coins up before the market really exploded during the Battle Creek sales. I have no problem with Bryan making a wad of cash on some really nice coins.....equally I don't have a problem with Larry buying these coins, having them graded and then reselling them for what ever he feels is a fair price. What I think the coins are worth and what others think the coins are worth is totally irrelevant as it comes down to what a buyer will pay so if he says he has buyers willing to spend $5k then I not only tend to believe him but I know quite a few of these individuals myself.
Here is the problem I have with all this and it's not Bryan's fault and it's not Larry’s fault....
I think the Battle Creek sales nearly destroyed the toned Morgan market because the prices paid were so strong even for MS63 and MS64 coins that a lot of collectors including myself were buried in the coins at those prices. Sure the top pieces resold for profit initially, and some of those top pieces would still bring strong prices today but what about the other 90% of the pieces that were pretty and clean but not the neon glow in the dark variety. Those coins can be picked up for discounted prices every single day now and when a collector pays $1,000 bucks for a coin and then they go to resell it and they can only get $500 or $300...well let's just say they are quick to walk away from that segment of the hobby as folks want to purchase coins that will at least retain most of their value over the long run.
A bigger problem then just getting discounted prices for the battle creeks is that it then prompted 100's of dealers, wannabes and long timers to jack up the prices of every coin that had in their inventory with even a hint of color. Those extremely elevated prices can still be seen today as these coins languish in their inventories because a big chunk of the folks who were buyers of the toned material moved on to greener pastures as the price points just got stupid. The toned coin market is not as strong today as it was 5 years ago but dealers are still pricing the coins like it is 2005.....perhaps they too are buried in their coins at the prices they paid and they are just unwilling to cut their loses and get out of bad coins?
Now fast forward to 2010.... Bryan's truly exceptional coins hit the market, are priced at moon money and or sell at moon money and we repeat the Battle Creek cycle all over again with regards to dealer now viewing all toned coins as goldmines. I was just beginning to find some coins here and there that we accurately priced based on today’s fair market value....and now I fully expect to see a plethora of $1200-$2500 average toned MS63's and MS64's pouring into the hobby once again. Sure I blame seller’s ignorance on the problem but that isn't much consolation when I go to shows and can't buy anything with color for less than 10X to 20X PCGS guide >>
While I don't often agree with kryptonitecomics when it comes to color, I do think this take of the color market is pretty dead on and better stated then most I have read on here. There is one part he left out which is one of the main points on why the market isn't where it was 5 years ago which is the lack of accountability due to doctors and people buying accelerated color coins for only a couple of time guide thinking they were getting a steal (and then losing everything they put into it)while the TPG were slow to react to the questionable color craze causing too many funny coins in their holders making for a lack of a market standard. The market for these is dying and while this hoard of presumed original coins is a shot in the arm, the original problems haven't really been addressed and will prey on late arrivals again.
I didn't start this thread to make trouble. I just like eye candy,and thought most guys would love to see these coins. I also didn't start this thread to sell these coins to board members.
One person who bought a coin from me reads these posts,and if he wishes to make it public that he purchased a coin from me and resold it,it is up to him. There is a pic of this coin on his site,and it says it has found a new home.
I also have many many colored coins that will sell from $200-500.00,and I agree that most toned coins fall into this range. The special ones will find a new home soon.
I haven't even really set prices on the coins above. My site is a long way from being finished,and nobody even knows about it yet.
Back to taking pics,and loading coins
Have a nice day everyone, Larry
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<< <i>............while this hoard of presumed original coins.....................
Rest assured I presumed they were all original. >>
Lol, didn't mean it quite like that. I meant that color is often viewed as guilty until proven correct now days and these were universally accepted which is rare. And while these have a link back to a known reputable collector/dealer, how many transactions till coins are linked back to the sale that weren't or that the provenance is muddled and shady coins try to latch on the momentum of the sale?
I always find it amusing when a thread is posted and someone disagrees with what is said and wants MORE and MORE information from the poster. Tell us WHAT was sold, WHEN it was sold, to WHO it was sold, WHY it was sold, and what the OP had for lunch!!!
It's no one's business about that. Larry started the thread with some grades in something many have been interested in knowing. He didn't force people to do anything. Just posted. Then, he was asked for pictures. He complied.
He isn't forcing the price on anyone (pay the price, make an offer, or just enjoy the pics and walk away).
There's either some sour grapes or some wannabes that are having their panties twisted into a bundle here........not sure why folks couldn't just leave the info as just that....info; enjoy the pics, and move on.
<< <i>Well.. I had to list the coin at some price....and I really didn't want that to show,but I don't know how to link the pic only.. Todd will teach me later.
At the last 2 shows,I sold 2 similar coins at 5k each to color experts..they made ME the offers,and I am sure they sold those coins for 7-8k. There are people out there who will pay for the right color. >>
Larry,
I'd like to know what year/grade/mint the coins were that you sold to these "color experts"?
A very small percentage of morgans are worth strong strong premiums, so I find it hard to believe that a so called "color expert" would pay 5K for a common date with common color similar to some that you posted in this thread. Most the coins you posted in this thread are early (S) mint morgans, very common with color, very common with color and high grades, the other couple you posted are extremly common with color and extremly common with monster color. You dont have a coin worth any where near 5k posted in this thread or any where near 4k posted in this thread. If any one purchase one of these from you for anywhere near 5k that would obviously not be a color expert and it would be clear by the purchase price. >>
Pssst....maybe he's keeping mum about things because it may be a discovery coin and he doesn't want anyone else to get in on it yet
<< <i>I always find it amusing when a thread is posted and someone disagrees with what is said and wants MORE and MORE information from the poster. Tell us WHAT was sold, WHEN it was sold, to WHO it was sold, WHY it was sold, and what the OP had for lunch!!!
It's no one's business about that. Larry started the thread with some grades in something many have been interested in knowing. He didn't force people to do anything. Just posted. Then, he was asked for pictures. He complied.
He isn't forcing the price on anyone (pay the price, make an offer, or just enjoy the pics and walk away).
There's either some sour grapes or some wannabes that are having their panties twisted into a bundle here........not sure why folks couldn't just leave the info as just that....info; enjoy the pics, and move on. >>
I did not ask who he sold a coin to, when it was sold, why it was sold, or what the op had for lunch. I simply wanted to know what year and grade the coins were. Its no suprise that MONSTER morgans can and will sell for huge premiums, those coins however are MONSTERS. Brian had several MONSTERS in his collection and I have seen several of them in hand since he sold them, I also know FIRST hand what several of them sold for and who thye sold to. I simply do not think that any of the coins posted in this thread fall into the 4k plus category. While they are some very nice coins they simply do not fall into the same category as a 4k morgan in my book. I am not someone with sour grapes, nor am I some wannabe ebay flipper. If you would like to see some coins that I feel fall into the monster category then simply speak up and I would be more then happy to post several here for you to look at.
Soty, why don't you start your own thread and educate us on toned coins.
I started dealing with toned coins in 1963 at age nine,when my job was to take 1000 coin bags,and sort all the coins..I had to remove every coin with any color on them,as nobody wanted anything but white. I sorted coins for many coin shops. Hundreds of bags for over a 5 year period. I was paid in toned coins...which was better than money
I was selling toners at age 9 at local shops on bid and buy boards...and at local auctions.. So,I have seen my share of toned morgans.
I look forward top the soty expert educational monster coin thread
Larry Shapiro Rare Coins - LSRC POB 854 Temecula CA 92593 310-710-2869 cell www.LSRarecoins.com Larry@LSRarecoins.com
<< <i>Soty, why don't you start your own thread and educate us on toned coins.
I started dealing with toned coins in 1963 at age nine,when my job was to take 1000 coin bags,and sort all the coins..I had to remove every coin with any color on them,as nobody wanted anything but white. I sorted coins for many coin shops. Hundreds of bags for over a 5 year period. I was paid in toned coins...which was better than money
I was selling toners at age 9 at local shops on bid and buy boards...and at local auctions.. So,I have seen my share of toned morgans.
I look forward top the soty expert educational monster coin thread >>
You have clearly missed my point as typical of the usual pcgs forum poster. I asked what the date was of these 5k coins you sold were?? Apparently you consider the coins you posted in this thread as 4k plus toned morgans, I simply disagree. Apparently its no longer allowed on this board to disagree with someone.
Very cool coins "PQpeace" thanks for sharing and the first 80-s (1648300) has very different and unusual textile with the added center spot and snake effect of the textile on the face....Very very cool!
Kryptonitecomics did spell it out. The Battle Creek stuff messed up the market. I know of several collectors so buried in those coins they may never get out. At least these coins for the most part seem to be far superior to those.
You have a dealer trolling here who is doing nothing but shameless self promotion in order to sell these coins to other forum members at unreaslitic prices. If that is not true, then why mention crazy prices? And why have your dealer email and web site all over your name? Why brag about the grades? The guy could have just said hey, wanna see some cool toners? No, he had to hype them to oblivian.
I'm sure there were plenty of $5,000.00+ coins in that collection. Don't you think Legend who originally bought it would have sold them to their customers? Do you really think two/three dealers would miss $5G coins before Larry bought them? Unlikely.
The images of coins in this collection are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen in all my years of collecting. if I had the money, I'd buy another piece. I just hate seeing other collectors buy into the BS that gets spread around here. When he said he sold 2 coins for $5G and then they possibly got resold for $8,000.00, thats when I knew it was all sales hype. Sorry if I have said things you guys don't want to hear. This isn't the BST forum.
What education did anyone get from this thread? All I got to see was some pics of monster coins for sale probably at uber prices.
<< <i>Soty, why don't you start your own thread and educate us on toned coins.
I started dealing with toned coins in 1963 at age nine,when my job was to take 1000 coin bags,and sort all the coins..I had to remove every coin with any color on them,as nobody wanted anything but white. I sorted coins for many coin shops. Hundreds of bags for over a 5 year period. I was paid in toned coins...which was better than money
I was selling toners at age 9 at local shops on bid and buy boards...and at local auctions.. So,I have seen my share of toned morgans.
I look forward top the soty expert educational monster coin thread >>
You have clearly missed my point as typical of the usual pcgs forum poster. I asked what the date was of these 5k coins you sold were?? Apparently you consider the coins you posted in this thread as 4k plus toned morgans, I simply disagree. Apparently its no longer allowed on this board to disagree with someone. >>
You didn't simply ask the date of the sold coins. You also made negative comments, to which Larry responded. So your point wasn't "clearly missed".
You also insulted much or most of the forum with your "You have clearly missed my point as typical of the usual pcgs forum poster". I hope no one "clearly missed" your point there.
What difference does the date make..79s,80s,81s...they are all the same.. grades 65-7 really make no difference.. A 68 would make a big difference..
It is like a piece of artwork on your wall... If I like it,I will pay what I think it is worth.. You may not like it at all..and not want to pay anything for it.
We are not paying for rare coins,just rare color. Everyone likes a different type of color..that is why I have over 100 toned dollars with different types of toning from 200-4500...and these prices are negociable..
When you see my coins at Central states,you can see them up close,and decide if you like them.
Some of the coins I am showing will only sell for 2k or a bit more... the 1886 will be under 2k. I never said they were all 5k coins. When I get them all back..they are sending them today,I will look them over,and price them at very low profit margins,and then you can comment again if you want..
Looking forward to your thread !
Back to selling coins
Larry Shapiro Rare Coins - LSRC POB 854 Temecula CA 92593 310-710-2869 cell www.LSRarecoins.com Larry@LSRarecoins.com
<< <i>Kryptonitecomics did spell it out. The Battle Creek stuff messed up the market. I know of several collectors so buried in those coins they may never get out. At least these coins for the most part seem to be far superior to those.
You have a dealer trolling here who is doing nothing but shameless self promotion in order to sell these coins to other forum members at unreaslitic prices. If that is not true, then why mention crazy prices? And why have your dealer email and web site all over your name? Why brag about the grades? The guy could have just said hey, wanna see some cool toners? No, he had to hype them to oblivian.
I'm sure there were plenty of $5,000.00+ coins in that collection. Don't you think Legend who originally bought it would have sold them to their customers? Do you really think two/three dealers would miss $5G coins before Larry bought them? Unlikely.
The images of coins in this collection are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen in all my years of collecting. if I had the money, I'd buy another piece. I just hate seeing other collectors buy into the BS that gets spread around here. When he said he sold 2 coins for $5G and then they possibly got resold for $8,000.00, thats when I knew it was all sales hype. Sorry if I have said things you guys don't want to hear. This isn't the BST forum. >>
I'm as vocal as most when I think something is spamming here, but I don't see that from Larry's post. Read the original post and the title. Not anything else mentioned later (even though a price was mentioned as the thread progressed, it wasn't per coin, nor a sales attempt, as I saw it). Larry was just posting info that I think many would find interesting to read. As for his contact info....he's a dealer. It's in his sigline. Get a clue! This wasn't his first post nor was it trolling for customers/sales. I would hope ALL dealers include their contact info in their posts. Makes it easier to see who the dealers are.
He completely stayed within the realms of what many on this forum look for, want, and enjoy. He wasn't bragging. He was excited. He was happy. He enjoys his coins. I think that, no matter how he posted, you and a few others would find something to try to hit him with.
As for someone getting buried in them ......... if you can't afford it as discretionary income, then DON'T BUY. Simple. Adults should realize that but many don't as they think there is always money to be made on the flip after. You aren't saying things that folks don't want to hear...you are just saying things negatively and making assumptions. Totally not cool and totally troll-like.
<< <i>Q]You didn't simply ask the date of the sold coins. You also made negative comments, to which Larry responded. So your point wasn't "clearly missed".
You also insulted much or most of the forum with your "You have clearly missed my point as typical of the usual pcgs forum poster". I hope no one "clearly missed" your point there. >>
I did not make what I considered to be negative remarks to the coins, once again I feel I simply asked what the dates were. The coins in this thread are without a doubt stunning coins and have some stunning amazing color. Brian put together a collection of toned morgans long before it became the (cool) thing to do. There were several coins in his collection that have since sold that I feel were worth extremly huge premiums and in my opinion would continue to sell for large premiums and rightly so. I think a few of the coins posted in this thread are 2k plus coins without a doubt I simply do not feel there were any 4k coins. Once again I disagree with a few others on the board and as usuall the assault begins.
One last comment before I need to get some work done.. I sat through the Battle creek auctions. They were a mess,as 2 dealers kept outbidding each other for the coins. They paid stupid money for most of the coins. It was like a competition on who could keep their hand up longer. I bought 1 coin from that sale,as I had no chance.
Both of those buyers are no longer bidding at auctions,so that will probably never happen again..
I don't think we will ever see that many toned dollars at one auction again...
From what I am hearing around the bourse floor,toners are coming back..so those that were burned may have an out soon.
Larry
not trying to sell coins with this thread !
Larry Shapiro Rare Coins - LSRC POB 854 Temecula CA 92593 310-710-2869 cell www.LSRarecoins.com Larry@LSRarecoins.com
<< <i>Soty, why don't you start your own thread and educate us on toned coins.
I started dealing with toned coins in 1963 at age nine,when my job was to take 1000 coin bags,and sort all the coins..I had to remove every coin with any color on them,as nobody wanted anything but white. I sorted coins for many coin shops. Hundreds of bags for over a 5 year period. I was paid in toned coins...which was better than money
I was selling toners at age 9 at local shops on bid and buy boards...and at local auctions.. So,I have seen my share of toned morgans.
I look forward top the soty expert educational monster coin thread >>
I envy you. When I was a teenager in the 1970s, I wish someone was there to teach me an appreciation for toned coins. Unfortunately, everyone at the local clubs and coin shops thought "brilliant was best" at the time. However, I am amazed the number of toned coins that managed to escape the vats of Jewel-Luster. I also am thankful that the GSA decided not to dip the CC dollars, although, sadly, numerous dealers cracked them out and dipped them.
Soty.. If you could only read the PM's that I have received about you,your comments here,and comments in the past..you are a troublemaker. These are not my words.
Be nice..try it,and it may help you.
What are you 25 years old ??
Lots to learn.. Listen to Mark F
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Let me try that again. Those colors are magnificent!
<< <i>With colors like those shown, MS-64 or MS-65 would be sufficient.
Anything higher is merely icing on the cake. >>
Gilding on the lilly.
<< <i>I will attempt to add all 11 coins to this thread..
Here goes.
<< The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.
3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?
3013 Whats in front of the face???
3014 Is the eagles breast flat?
3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!
3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???
If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging. >>
In the OP's defense, these coins are desirable primarily for their attractive toning features, not from a technical standpoint in terms of contact marks or strike features. Did you check the grades assigned before making disparaging comments?
3007 A few ticks behind the head but the fields and devices are clean.
3013 It's graded MS64. Again, it's graded MS64 and not any higher.
3014 That is an 1883-O. That date comes flat-breasted as struck. If anything the strike on the obverse is a more relevant issue pertaining to the assigned grade.
3015 You made an extra effort to point out the evidence of handling on the reverse, but failed to comment on the toning on the obverse. That coin is also graded MS65(+), and from what I see it fully deserves that grade.
3016 Coin is graded MS64(+). MS64 grade Morgans are allowed a few hits on the fields. It's not like it graded a 67 or anything.
The author of that set of comments as quoted above should show us some of his comparable toners and in turn teach us what, in his opinions, good coins should look like.
There! That's better!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
That's all I have pics of at the moment .
You can see why I am taking photo editing at the ANA summer seminar.
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Thanks for showing some of Bryan's coins that we had all heard about but that he was delinquet in getting pictures of to show us
I agree about the grades and the look....they aren't priced for the grades.
Please ignore the trolling of a few members who have nothing better to do and don't ever back things up....they just complain and attack.
Again, thanks for the thread and posting your results and the photos!
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<< <i>Some spectacular examples of Nature's handiwork; I'll never be able to afford coins like this, and rarely get to go to shows, so seeing these images is a real treat. Hats off to gsaguy for having the patience and persistence to assemble such a magnificent collection. I'm sure the new owners of these coins will be very happy. >>
I'm one of the new owners (bought 2 of them) and I'm pleased with the toning AND the technical grades on the slabs.
What I would like to know is how people feel the Sonnier toned Morgans stack up against the Battle Creek Morgans.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
color all of those coins so brilliantly.
Camelot
I bought one coin from legend and it sure was't $5,000.00. I collect dollars I know the game here. Just being realistic and trying to educate.
These coins here weren't the best from the collection anyway. I can only imagine how crazy those coins were.
<< <i>These are not $5,000.00 coins! Yes, they are beautiful-but some coins have problems. So why show off such an overpriced 83-O then?
I bought one coin from legend and it sure was't $5,000.00. I collect dollars I know the game here. Just being realistic and trying to educate.
These coins here weren't the best from the collection anyway. I can only imagine how crazy those coins were. >>
I'm curious. What was educational about your posts in this thread? I found this last post nothing more then mean spirited. Just being truthful. FYI- You are correct about one thing. These are not $5000 coins. I believe Larry has the most expensive of these listed at $4500. Am I wrong? The 83-0 I believe it is listed well below that. Your Legend purchase is irrelevant to this thread. Do you think you are the only one in this thread that knows "the game"? Geez............MJ
edited to say that Laura was kind enough to show me a few of Bryan's coins prior to the announcement that the deal was put together. Yes, these coins where amongst the KILLERS of the collection and they WERE AMAZING. The OP never claimed his purchases were the best of the collection. However, the collection itself in it's entirety was the best of the best for what it was................ An ungraded color explosion of Morgans each carefully bought on it's own merit and various degree of cuteness.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>These are not $5,000.00 coins! Yes, they are beautiful-but some coins have problems. So why show off such an overpriced 83-O then?
I bought one coin from legend and it sure was't $5,000.00. I collect dollars I know the game here. Just being realistic and trying to educate.
These coins here weren't the best from the collection anyway. I can only imagine how crazy those coins were. >>
What part of your previous post was the "educational" part? If I remember correctly it was nothing more than hostile and condescending without the benefit of being constructive in any way.
If you collect Morgan dollars then you know that the O-mint issues, especially the earlier date issues, rarely came attractively toned and if there was colorful toning present the toning was almost never lustrous and not dull.
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<< <i>The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.
3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?
3013 Whats in front of the face???
3014 Is the eagles breast flat?
3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!
3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???
If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging. >>
All cheap shot negative comments without attempt to be constructive. What a jerk!
Perhaps he should show us a few of his rainbow toned dollars and let everybody else judge whose coins are nicer.
The coins are beautiful for sure. Can't you people see he's manipulating to sell these at sick money? That is what I am educating about. These coins are not worth $5,000.00. His claims of selling coins to "experts" at $5,000.00 each sounds fishy. I've spoken to two of the biggest colored Morgan dealers. Neither of them paid $5,000.00 for anything. Am I a dealer? No. But I know a bad deal when I see it. This is a typical dealer set up:
Look at this statement: "At the last 2 shows,I sold 2 similar coins at 5k each to color experts..they made ME the offers,and I am sure they sold those coins for 7-8k.
There are people out there who will pay for the right color."
I own three toners now. if I could figure out how to post them, I would. Please quit thinking I am attacking the coins.
Bryan sold some very nice coins for some very good prices....surely way way more than he paid but that is the benefit of picking a lot of these coins up before the market really exploded during the Battle Creek sales. I have no problem with Bryan making a wad of cash on some really nice coins.....equally I don't have a problem with Larry buying these coins, having them graded and then reselling them for what ever he feels is a fair price. What I think the coins are worth and what others think the coins are worth is totally irrelevant as it comes down to what a buyer will pay so if he says he has buyers willing to spend $5k then I not only tend to believe him but I know quite a few of these individuals myself.
Here is the problem I have with all this and it's not Bryan's fault and it's not Larry’s fault....
I think the Battle Creek sales nearly destroyed the toned Morgan market because the prices paid were so strong even for MS63 and MS64 coins that a lot of collectors including myself were buried in the coins at those prices. Sure the top pieces resold for profit initially, and some of those top pieces would still bring strong prices today but what about the other 90% of the pieces that were pretty and clean but not the neon glow in the dark variety. Those coins can be picked up for discounted prices every single day now and when a collector pays $1,000 bucks for a coin and then they go to resell it and they can only get $500 or $300...well let's just say they are quick to walk away from that segment of the hobby as folks want to purchase coins that will at least retain most of their value over the long run.
A bigger problem then just getting discounted prices for the battle creeks is that it then prompted 100's of dealers, wannabes and long timers to jack up the prices of every coin that had in their inventory with even a hint of color. Those extremely elevated prices can still be seen today as these coins languish in their inventories because a big chunk of the folks who were buyers of the toned material moved on to greener pastures as the price points just got stupid. The toned coin market is not as strong today as it was 5 years ago but dealers are still pricing the coins like it is 2005.....perhaps they too are buried in their coins at the prices they paid and they are just unwilling to cut their loses and get out of bad coins?
Now fast forward to 2010.... Bryan's truly exceptional coins hit the market, are priced at moon money and or sell at moon money and we repeat the Battle Creek cycle all over again with regards to dealer now viewing all toned coins as goldmines. I was just beginning to find some coins here and there that we accurately priced based on today’s fair market value....and now I fully expect to see a plethora of $1200-$2500 average toned MS63's and MS64's pouring into the hobby once again. Sure I blame seller’s ignorance on the problem but that isn't much consolation when I go to shows and can't buy anything with color for less than 10X to 20X PCGS guide
I bought one coin from legend and it sure was't $5,000.00. I collect dollars I know the game here. Just being realistic and trying to educate.
These coins here weren't the best from the collection anyway. I can only imagine how crazy those coins were.
WOW
I havent seen the rest of this collection, but these coins are down right amazing and simply works of art.
And this thread, while interesting, only shows why theres a swelling undertone of anti-slab collectors out there.
<< <i>
<< <i>The colors maybe cool but it looks like PCGS gave some gifts here.
3007 Whats that behind the head? Bad marks or toning?
3013 Whats in front of the face???
3014 Is the eagles breast flat?
3015 Gotta love that huge fingerprint on the reverse!
3016 Is that bullest mark in the left field???
If your getting $5,000.00 for coins like these you shouldn't be bragging. >>
All cheap shot negative comments without attempt to be constructive. What a jerk!
Perhaps he should show us a few of his rainbow toned dollars and let everybody else judge whose coins are nicer. >>
Why is it you happen to believe it's incumbent upon you to label a person a "jerk" for simply using his brain and pointing out to you and the rest of us where he happens to believe these grades happen to be inflated? That's ignernt. Plum ignernt...
In this case, perhaps a few larger egos have been injured by someone pointing out their opinions on the coins involved. The coins are beautiful, and it has been pointed out the value is in the color, but if we're at a point where only positive comments can be made about what certain forum members post, I don't think that it helps a new collector who's stepping into the market for the first time and trying to get his head around why a toned coin with marks grades the same as one he sent in that's technically two points better.
Maybe the forumites who have coins above question could be given a red shirt avatar by our sponsor so we know who's threads we can make comments on. Now where's that emoticon with that guy on his knees worshipping something.
<< <i>Well..
I had to list the coin at some price....and I really didn't want that to show,but I don't know how to link the pic only..
Todd will teach me later.
At the last 2 shows,I sold 2 similar coins at 5k each to color experts..they made ME the offers,and I am sure they sold those coins for 7-8k.
There are people out there who will pay for the right color. >>
Larry,
I'd like to know what year/grade/mint the coins were that you sold to these "color experts"?
A very small percentage of morgans are worth strong strong premiums, so I find it hard to believe that a so called "color expert" would pay 5K for a common date with common color similar to some that you posted in this thread. Most the coins you posted in this thread are early (S) mint morgans, very common with color, very common with color and high grades, the other couple you posted are extremly common with color and extremly common with monster color. You dont have a coin worth any where near 5k posted in this thread or any where near 4k posted in this thread. If any one purchase one of these from you for anywhere near 5k that would obviously not be a color expert and it would be clear by the purchase price.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Here is my "very educated take" on what's going on right now past and present:
Bryan sold some very nice coins for some very good prices....surely way way more than he paid but that is the benefit of picking a lot of these coins up before the market really exploded during the Battle Creek sales. I have no problem with Bryan making a wad of cash on some really nice coins.....equally I don't have a problem with Larry buying these coins, having them graded and then reselling them for what ever he feels is a fair price. What I think the coins are worth and what others think the coins are worth is totally irrelevant as it comes down to what a buyer will pay so if he says he has buyers willing to spend $5k then I not only tend to believe him but I know quite a few of these individuals myself.
Here is the problem I have with all this and it's not Bryan's fault and it's not Larry’s fault....
I think the Battle Creek sales nearly destroyed the toned Morgan market because the prices paid were so strong even for MS63 and MS64 coins that a lot of collectors including myself were buried in the coins at those prices. Sure the top pieces resold for profit initially, and some of those top pieces would still bring strong prices today but what about the other 90% of the pieces that were pretty and clean but not the neon glow in the dark variety. Those coins can be picked up for discounted prices every single day now and when a collector pays $1,000 bucks for a coin and then they go to resell it and they can only get $500 or $300...well let's just say they are quick to walk away from that segment of the hobby as folks want to purchase coins that will at least retain most of their value over the long run.
A bigger problem then just getting discounted prices for the battle creeks is that it then prompted 100's of dealers, wannabes and long timers to jack up the prices of every coin that had in their inventory with even a hint of color. Those extremely elevated prices can still be seen today as these coins languish in their inventories because a big chunk of the folks who were buyers of the toned material moved on to greener pastures as the price points just got stupid. The toned coin market is not as strong today as it was 5 years ago but dealers are still pricing the coins like it is 2005.....perhaps they too are buried in their coins at the prices they paid and they are just unwilling to cut their loses and get out of bad coins?
Now fast forward to 2010.... Bryan's truly exceptional coins hit the market, are priced at moon money and or sell at moon money and we repeat the Battle Creek cycle all over again with regards to dealer now viewing all toned coins as goldmines. I was just beginning to find some coins here and there that we accurately priced based on today’s fair market value....and now I fully expect to see a plethora of $1200-$2500 average toned MS63's and MS64's pouring into the hobby once again. Sure I blame seller’s ignorance on the problem but that isn't much consolation when I go to shows and can't buy anything with color for less than 10X to 20X PCGS guide
While I don't often agree with kryptonitecomics when it comes to color, I do think this take of the color market is pretty dead on and better stated then most I have read on here. There is one part he left out which is one of the main points on why the market isn't where it was 5 years ago which is the lack of accountability due to doctors and people buying accelerated color coins for only a couple of time guide thinking they were getting a steal (and then losing everything they put into it)while the TPG were slow to react to the questionable color craze causing too many funny coins in their holders making for a lack of a market standard. The market for these is dying and while this hoard of presumed original coins is a shot in the arm, the original problems haven't really been addressed and will prey on late arrivals again.
Rest assured I presumed they were all original.
I just like eye candy,and thought most guys would love to see these coins.
I also didn't start this thread to sell these coins to board members.
One person who bought a coin from me reads these posts,and if he wishes to make it public that he purchased a coin from me and resold it,it is up to him.
There is a pic of this coin on his site,and it says it has found a new home.
I also have many many colored coins that will sell from $200-500.00,and I agree that most toned coins fall into this range.
The special ones will find a new home soon.
I haven't even really set prices on the coins above.
My site is a long way from being finished,and nobody even knows about it yet.
Back to taking pics,and loading coins
Have a nice day everyone,
Larry
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That's a winning combination in my book!
Stellar coins and thanks for sharing the photos. Very pleasing grouping, for sure.
<< <i>............while this hoard of presumed original coins.....................
Rest assured I presumed they were all original.
Lol, didn't mean it quite like that. I meant that color is often viewed as guilty until proven correct now days and these were universally accepted which is rare. And while these have a link back to a known reputable collector/dealer, how many transactions till coins are linked back to the sale that weren't or that the provenance is muddled and shady coins try to latch on the momentum of the sale?
Tell us WHAT was sold, WHEN it was sold, to WHO it was sold, WHY it was sold, and what the OP had for lunch!!!
It's no one's business about that. Larry started the thread with some grades in something many have been interested in knowing.
He didn't force people to do anything. Just posted.
Then, he was asked for pictures. He complied.
He isn't forcing the price on anyone (pay the price, make an offer, or just enjoy the pics and walk away).
There's either some sour grapes or some wannabes that are having their panties twisted into a bundle here........not sure why folks couldn't just leave the info as just that....info; enjoy the pics, and move on.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Well..
I had to list the coin at some price....and I really didn't want that to show,but I don't know how to link the pic only..
Todd will teach me later.
At the last 2 shows,I sold 2 similar coins at 5k each to color experts..they made ME the offers,and I am sure they sold those coins for 7-8k.
There are people out there who will pay for the right color. >>
Larry,
I'd like to know what year/grade/mint the coins were that you sold to these "color experts"?
A very small percentage of morgans are worth strong strong premiums, so I find it hard to believe that a so called "color expert" would pay 5K for a common date with common color similar to some that you posted in this thread. Most the coins you posted in this thread are early (S) mint morgans, very common with color, very common with color and high grades, the other couple you posted are extremly common with color and extremly common with monster color. You dont have a coin worth any where near 5k posted in this thread or any where near 4k posted in this thread. If any one purchase one of these from you for anywhere near 5k that would obviously not be a color expert and it would be clear by the purchase price. >>
Pssst....maybe he's keeping mum about things because it may be a discovery coin and he doesn't want anyone else to get in on it yet
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I guess PCGS is much softer on color than they were in the past.
Still nice coins!
<< <i>Not a single grade of questioable toning?
I guess PCGS is much softer on color than they were in the past.
Still nice coins! >>
Maybe the guy who put together the collection knew what he was doing. Just sayin'.
<< <i>
<< <i>Not a single grade of questioable toning?
I guess PCGS is much softer on color than they were in the past.
Still nice coins! >>
Maybe the guy who put together the collection knew what he was doing. Just sayin'.
Nahhhh.
<< <i>
<< <i>Not a single grade of questioable toning?
I guess PCGS is much softer on color than they were in the past.
Still nice coins! >>
Maybe the guy who put together the collection knew what he was doing. Just sayin'.
WOW, you are surely assuming a lot
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<< <i>I always find it amusing when a thread is posted and someone disagrees with what is said and wants MORE and MORE information from the poster.
Tell us WHAT was sold, WHEN it was sold, to WHO it was sold, WHY it was sold, and what the OP had for lunch!!!
It's no one's business about that. Larry started the thread with some grades in something many have been interested in knowing.
He didn't force people to do anything. Just posted.
Then, he was asked for pictures. He complied.
He isn't forcing the price on anyone (pay the price, make an offer, or just enjoy the pics and walk away).
There's either some sour grapes or some wannabes that are having their panties twisted into a bundle here........not sure why folks couldn't just leave the info as just that....info; enjoy the pics, and move on. >>
I did not ask who he sold a coin to, when it was sold, why it was sold, or what the op had for lunch. I simply wanted to know what year and grade the coins were. Its no suprise that MONSTER morgans can and will sell for huge premiums, those coins however are MONSTERS. Brian had several MONSTERS in his collection and I have seen several of them in hand since he sold them, I also know FIRST hand what several of them sold for and who thye sold to. I simply do not think that any of the coins posted in this thread fall into the 4k plus category. While they are some very nice coins they simply do not fall into the same category as a 4k morgan in my book. I am not someone with sour grapes, nor am I some wannabe ebay flipper. If you would like to see some coins that I feel fall into the monster category then simply speak up and I would be more then happy to post several here for you to look at.
why don't you start your own thread and educate us on toned coins.
I started dealing with toned coins in 1963 at age nine,when my job was to take 1000 coin bags,and sort all the coins..I had to remove every coin with any color on them,as nobody wanted anything but white.
I sorted coins for many coin shops.
Hundreds of bags for over a 5 year period.
I was paid in toned coins...which was better than money
I was selling toners at age 9 at local shops on bid and buy boards...and at local auctions..
So,I have seen my share of toned morgans.
I look forward top the soty expert educational monster coin thread
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<< <i>Soty,
why don't you start your own thread and educate us on toned coins.
I started dealing with toned coins in 1963 at age nine,when my job was to take 1000 coin bags,and sort all the coins..I had to remove every coin with any color on them,as nobody wanted anything but white.
I sorted coins for many coin shops.
Hundreds of bags for over a 5 year period.
I was paid in toned coins...which was better than money
I was selling toners at age 9 at local shops on bid and buy boards...and at local auctions..
So,I have seen my share of toned morgans.
I look forward top the soty expert educational monster coin thread
You have clearly missed my point as typical of the usual pcgs forum poster. I asked what the date was of these 5k coins you sold were?? Apparently you consider the coins you posted in this thread as 4k plus toned morgans, I simply disagree. Apparently its no longer allowed on this board to disagree with someone.
AB
You have a dealer trolling here who is doing nothing but shameless self promotion in order to sell these coins to other forum members at unreaslitic prices. If that is not true, then why mention crazy prices? And why have your dealer email and web site all over your name? Why brag about the grades? The guy could have just said hey, wanna see some cool toners? No, he had to hype them to oblivian.
I'm sure there were plenty of $5,000.00+ coins in that collection. Don't you think Legend who originally bought it would have sold them to their customers? Do you really think two/three dealers would miss $5G coins before Larry bought them? Unlikely.
The images of coins in this collection are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen in all my years of collecting. if I had the money, I'd buy another piece. I just hate seeing other collectors buy into the BS that gets spread around here. When he said he sold 2 coins for $5G and then they possibly got resold for $8,000.00, thats when I knew it was all sales hype. Sorry if I have said things you guys don't want to hear. This isn't the BST forum.
What education did anyone get from this thread? All I got to see was some pics of monster coins for sale probably at uber prices.
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<< <i>Soty,
why don't you start your own thread and educate us on toned coins.
I started dealing with toned coins in 1963 at age nine,when my job was to take 1000 coin bags,and sort all the coins..I had to remove every coin with any color on them,as nobody wanted anything but white.
I sorted coins for many coin shops.
Hundreds of bags for over a 5 year period.
I was paid in toned coins...which was better than money
I was selling toners at age 9 at local shops on bid and buy boards...and at local auctions..
So,I have seen my share of toned morgans.
I look forward top the soty expert educational monster coin thread
You have clearly missed my point as typical of the usual pcgs forum poster. I asked what the date was of these 5k coins you sold were?? Apparently you consider the coins you posted in this thread as 4k plus toned morgans, I simply disagree. Apparently its no longer allowed on this board to disagree with someone. >>
You didn't simply ask the date of the sold coins. You also made negative comments, to which Larry responded. So your point wasn't "clearly missed".
You also insulted much or most of the forum with your "You have clearly missed my point as typical of the usual pcgs forum poster". I hope no one "clearly missed" your point there.
grades 65-7 really make no difference.. A 68 would make a big difference..
It is like a piece of artwork on your wall...
If I like it,I will pay what I think it is worth..
You may not like it at all..and not want to pay anything for it.
We are not paying for rare coins,just rare color.
Everyone likes a different type of color..that is why I have over 100 toned dollars with different types of toning from 200-4500...and these prices are negociable..
When you see my coins at Central states,you can see them up close,and decide if you like them.
Some of the coins I am showing will only sell for 2k or a bit more...
the 1886 will be under 2k.
I never said they were all 5k coins.
When I get them all back..they are sending them today,I will look them over,and price them at very low profit margins,and then you can comment again if you want..
Looking forward to your thread !
Back to selling coins
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So educational.
Go ahead and call me insulting too. Dealers should not troll these boards to sell!
<< <i>Kryptonitecomics did spell it out. The Battle Creek stuff messed up the market. I know of several collectors so buried in those coins they may never get out. At least these coins for the most part seem to be far superior to those.
You have a dealer trolling here who is doing nothing but shameless self promotion in order to sell these coins to other forum members at unreaslitic prices. If that is not true, then why mention crazy prices? And why have your dealer email and web site all over your name? Why brag about the grades? The guy could have just said hey, wanna see some cool toners? No, he had to hype them to oblivian.
I'm sure there were plenty of $5,000.00+ coins in that collection. Don't you think Legend who originally bought it would have sold them to their customers? Do you really think two/three dealers would miss $5G coins before Larry bought them? Unlikely.
The images of coins in this collection are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen in all my years of collecting. if I had the money, I'd buy another piece. I just hate seeing other collectors buy into the BS that gets spread around here. When he said he sold 2 coins for $5G and then they possibly got resold for $8,000.00, thats when I knew it was all sales hype. Sorry if I have said things you guys don't want to hear. This isn't the BST forum. >>
I'm as vocal as most when I think something is spamming here, but I don't see that from Larry's post. Read the original post and the title. Not anything else mentioned later (even though a price was mentioned as the thread progressed, it wasn't per coin, nor a sales attempt, as I saw it). Larry was just posting info that I think many would find interesting to read.
As for his contact info....he's a dealer. It's in his sigline. Get a clue! This wasn't his first post nor was it trolling for customers/sales. I would hope ALL dealers include their contact info in their posts. Makes it easier to see who the dealers are.
He completely stayed within the realms of what many on this forum look for, want, and enjoy. He wasn't bragging. He was excited. He was happy. He enjoys his coins. I think that, no matter how he posted, you and a few others would find something to try to hit him with.
As for someone getting buried in them ......... if you can't afford it as discretionary income, then DON'T BUY. Simple. Adults should realize that but many don't as they think there is always money to be made on the flip after.
You aren't saying things that folks don't want to hear...you are just saying things negatively and making assumptions. Totally not cool and totally troll-like.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Q]You didn't simply ask the date of the sold coins. You also made negative comments, to which Larry responded. So your point wasn't "clearly missed".
You also insulted much or most of the forum with your "You have clearly missed my point as typical of the usual pcgs forum poster". I hope no one "clearly missed" your point there. >>
I did not make what I considered to be negative remarks to the coins, once again I feel I simply asked what the dates were. The coins in this thread are without a doubt stunning coins and have some stunning amazing color. Brian put together a collection of toned morgans long before it became the (cool) thing to do. There were several coins in his collection that have since sold that I feel were worth extremly huge premiums and in my opinion would continue to sell for large premiums and rightly so. I think a few of the coins posted in this thread are 2k plus coins without a doubt I simply do not feel there were any 4k coins. Once again I disagree with a few others on the board and as usuall the assault begins.
I sat through the Battle creek auctions.
They were a mess,as 2 dealers kept outbidding each other for the coins.
They paid stupid money for most of the coins.
It was like a competition on who could keep their hand up longer.
I bought 1 coin from that sale,as I had no chance.
Both of those buyers are no longer bidding at auctions,so that will probably never happen again..
I don't think we will ever see that many toned dollars at one auction again...
From what I am hearing around the bourse floor,toners are coming back..so those that were burned may have an out soon.
Larry
not trying to sell coins with this thread !
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Larry@LSRarecoins.com
One thing I learned early-on with toners................no grades, no fights.
This thread is living proof.
<< <i>Soty,
why don't you start your own thread and educate us on toned coins.
I started dealing with toned coins in 1963 at age nine,when my job was to take 1000 coin bags,and sort all the coins..I had to remove every coin with any color on them,as nobody wanted anything but white.
I sorted coins for many coin shops.
Hundreds of bags for over a 5 year period.
I was paid in toned coins...which was better than money
I was selling toners at age 9 at local shops on bid and buy boards...and at local auctions..
So,I have seen my share of toned morgans.
I look forward top the soty expert educational monster coin thread
I envy you. When I was a teenager in the 1970s, I wish someone was there to teach me an appreciation for toned coins. Unfortunately, everyone at the local clubs and coin shops thought "brilliant was best" at the time. However, I am amazed the number of toned coins that managed to escape the vats of Jewel-Luster. I also am thankful that the GSA decided not to dip the CC dollars, although, sadly, numerous dealers cracked them out and dipped them.
Soty..
If you could only read the PM's that I have received about you,your comments here,and comments in the past..you are a troublemaker.
These are not my words.
Be nice..try it,and it may help you.
What are you 25 years old ??
Lots to learn..
Listen to Mark F
POB 854
Temecula CA 92593
310-710-2869 cell
www.LSRarecoins.com
Larry@LSRarecoins.com
<< <i>............while this hoard of presumed original coins.....................
Rest assured I presumed they were all original.
Anyone who thinks those coins are not original are ill informed. They are the very definition of NT bag toning.