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A tale of the GB 1901 1/2d ACG MS63 Red
ajaan
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I bought a GB 1901 1/2d ACG MS63 Red coin a while back at a local shop. I sent it to PCGS for cross grading a few months ago. It DNC. I decided to crack it out and send it in again, I know, a lot of money for such a cheap. I received grades today. This is what I saw:
3 1 16605754 201774 1901 1/2D Gr.Britain MS64RD
Never, never, send an ACG coin in for cross grading.
3 1 16605754 201774 1901 1/2D Gr.Britain MS64RD
Never, never, send an ACG coin in for cross grading.
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Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
ICG is a laydown 1 point down grade with PCGS. Frankly so are NGC and ICCS. I've fared
a little better with ANACS.
Evaluate the quality of the coin. If you think it's solid for the grade then by all means
take it out of the holder and get a raw grade. If it's too expensive to risk a down grade
then just sell the mother as it is :+)
It's just that I got my PCGS grades.
Cathy
I believe more than ever that slab bias is a huge factor, except for ANACS pieces (at least for me).
In the past 12 months,
1846 shilling, ANACS 63 ==> PCGS 63
1882 shilling, ANACS 63 ==> PCGS 64
1847 halfpenny, ANACS 62RB ==> PCGS 63RB
That's 3/3.
The last one was a bit of a cheat - I cracked it out of a newer ANACS holder so I could send it in with a bunch of raw pieces and not pay another handling fee.
NGC, on the other hand...
BTW: ACG slabs and hammers go very well together.
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Don
Thanks, Paul Harvey.
<< <i>You should go out and buy a lottery ticket. You are on a lucky streak!
BTW: ACG slabs and hammers go very well together. >>
From what I have seen of ACG slabs, you don't even need a hammer or even your hands sometimes - they come apart all by themselves.
And yes, I agree sending something in for grading in an ACG slab is just asking for a prejudicial declination.
<< <i>That is stunning that you got an upgrade.
I believe more than ever that slab bias is a huge factor, except for ANACS pieces (at least for me).
In the past 12 months,
1846 shilling, ANACS 63 ==> PCGS 63
1882 shilling, ANACS 63 ==> PCGS 64
1847 halfpenny, ANACS 62RB ==> PCGS 63RB
That's 3/3.
The last one was a bit of a cheat - I cracked it out of a newer ANACS holder so I could send it in with a bunch of raw pieces and not pay another handling fee.
NGC, on the other hand... >>
I agree. Ajaan can testify, as he submitted them for me: practically all my (small) ex Anacs coins crossed or upgraded one or two points to PCGS. However, given Anacs' tight grading standards back in 2000, I tend to believe that cracking them out would have brought me better results. The one coin I can't seem to cross is a 30mm diameter 1882 Greek copper full red coin, a 10 lepta. PCGS won't give me that RD designation and I won't crack it out. We're stuck.
Don have you imaged it prior to sending it to Rob? I love red old head pennies.
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I still have some MS 65 Mercury dimes sealed in an early form of the Cointain inside a plastic bag with an ANACS label on it.
The earliest TPG, well grounded, ethical and usually very tight on grading standards.
Unfortunately the market passed them by; just as it's doing with ICCS grading.
ICCS, however, seems to believe that loosening the grading standards is the answer. And all that's doing is dropping
them into second and third tier grading house levels with all but Canadian collectors.
They badly need to improve their holders and tighten their grading standards back up to the level that made them the
the most credible for Canadian coins for many years......
It's just that I got my PCGS grades.
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Dimitri, I didn't take an image of the 1902 1/2d before sending it in.
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Don
Unsure what possesed you to even attempt to send in an ACG slab.
Frankly I can't imagine anything crossing - even if it made sense... just that ACG slab would open up issues...true with either service.(NGC or PCGS)
Glad you now know
Marc
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Don
I am constantly amazed at how many people swear by their "product" (i.e. tough standards & consistent grading, etc), when I hear stories like this on a weekly, almost daily basis.
Sorry to be a grumble-bum, but I just don't get why so many find this acceptable.
IMO, TPG grading is simply part of the business and knocking down the competition a bit in big or small ways might be part of that whether judged right or wrong.
Well, just Love coins, period.