Interested to see what this " + " coin goes for
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edited to remove pic at the owners request which was added to his discription in the auction
I meant no harm is making this post
I thought it generated quite a bit of intrest......in light that it
was the first key date coin with a + that I have seen
good luck with your auction !
edited to remove pic at the owners request which was added to his discription in the auction
I meant no harm is making this post
I thought it generated quite a bit of intrest......in light that it
was the first key date coin with a + that I have seen
good luck with your auction !
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Hows that? They might also get a +
I dont think its fair to compare pre-plus coins to post-plus ones at this point in time imho.
Same old problem, only now it's "plus" sized.
<< <i>I dont see how they get 64+ from that. It barely looks like a 64 to me. >>
You have to remember, they weren't grading a picture on a computer monitor.
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<< <i>I dont see how they get 64+ from that. It barely looks like a 64 to me. >>
Agree. Those bag marks on the face and the scrape across the cheek are distacting.
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<< <i>I dont see how they get 64+ from that. It barely looks like a 64 to me. >>
You have to remember, they weren't grading a picture on a computer monitor. >>
Aren't marks less obvious in a scan and usually more obvious in hand under a bright light?
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<< <i>I dont see how they get 64+ from that. It barely looks like a 64 to me. >>
Exactly...that scrape under the nose and scar on the face should limit it to a 64 MAX.
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<< <i>You have to remember, they weren't grading a picture on a computer monitor. >>
A lot of people don't seem to understand that.
<< <i>Aren't marks less obvious in a scan and usually more obvious in hand under a bright light? >>
I think attemping to generalize about how all coins look in a scan vs in hand is silly. None of us has ever seen in this particular piece in hand (I don't believe), and no one can say what it actually looks like.
<< <i>1895-S in Mint State grades virtually always look like CCs in terms of marks and scuffs. For the date this is a very nice 64. >>
So if a certain date comes baggy, it should get a pass? Shouldn't all coins within a given series be graded using the same standards?
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<< <i><< You have to remember, they weren't grading a picture on a computer monitor. >>
A lot of people don't seem to understand that.
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There is no denying that this particular 95-S has an awful lot of chatter on the face. The marks on the face didn't just materialize out of thin air when the coin was imaged. Are they less pronounced in hand? I certainly hope so.
<< <i>So if a certain date comes baggy, it should get a pass? Shouldn't all coins within a given series be graded using the same standards? >>
Perry: Heck yes! Idealism says all dates should be graded alike, but the reality of what actually happens is... that isn't what happens. CCs get a break. DMPLs get a break. Ultra-rarities like 1804 dollars get a break. Many of the Eliasberg coins got a break. Early S-mints and 1880-Os and 1884-S get punished a little. When it comes to 1895-S Morgans, what I've seen in 15 years of looking at hundreds of Mint State examples is, they seem to catch a little break like CCs do.
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<< <i><< You have to remember, they weren't grading a picture on a computer monitor. >>
A lot of people don't seem to understand that.
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There is no denying that this particular 95-S has an awful lot of chatter on the face. The marks on the face didn't just materialize out of thin air when the coin was imaged. Are they less pronounced in hand? I certainly hope so. >>
I don't see how they can be less pronounce in hand considering it was examined under a bright light source. The marks are shiney and they will standout against the frosty background.
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<< <i>Exactly...that scrape under the nose and scar on the face should limit it to a 64 MAX. >>
Hello! It is still MS64. MS64+ does not mean 65!
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<< <i>Exactly...that scrape under the nose and scar on the face should limit it to a 64 MAX. >>
Hello! It is still MS64. MS64+ does not mean 65! >>
HELLO! It is not a 64. It's a 64+ which is different in both grade and price and based on those images it is not high end for the grade which is what my original post clearly said.
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<< <i>You have to remember, they weren't grading a picture on a computer monitor. >>
A lot of people don't seem to understand that.
<< <i>Aren't marks less obvious in a scan and usually more obvious in hand under a bright light? >>
I think attemping to generalize about how all coins look in a scan vs in hand is silly. None of us has ever seen in this particular piece in hand (I don't believe), and no one can say what it actually looks like. >>
Well put.
You know, I saw a coin posted on here once, IIRC it was one of RC Toners' coins, and it was getting a bit brutalized for marks. Now, when I saw the same exact coin in hand at a show, the marks were not noticeable, but what you couldn't see from the images on here was absolutely MONSTER luster that still shone right through the toning. The coin had absolutely fantastic eye appeal and, IMO, was conservatively graded.
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<< <i>Not worthy of a "+" by my way of thinking. There is far too much going on in the prime focal area of the face and neck. >>
I say64-
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<< <i>I think High Reliefs coin is far superior than the OP. >>
It's not. Not even close.
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<< <i>You have to remember, they weren't grading a picture on a computer monitor. >>
A lot of people don't seem to understand that.
<< <i>Aren't marks less obvious in a scan and usually more obvious in hand under a bright light? >>
I think attemping to generalize about how all coins look in a scan vs in hand is silly. None of us has ever seen in this particular piece in hand (I don't believe), and no one can say what it actually looks like. >>
I think the image is clear enough. Of course, I'm assuming the image is mostly accurate. If the image is at least mostly accurate, the coin is barely a 64 IMO. If the image is not even close to being accurate, then who knows what the coin should be. My gut feeling is that the image is at least mostly accurate and those hits and rubs are indeed there on the cheek and neck. If anything, my guess is that the image is possibly hiding even more potential issues. Therefore, for a coin like this to achieve the mighty "+"???
Collectors tend to overgrade mishandled coins with few marks and undergrade pristine coins with marks.
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<< <i>Lesson from this thread---Just because a coin has a + doesn't mean that you shouldn't examine it first to see if you agree with the +. >>
But they have a price guide for that + too!
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<< <i>Lesson from this thread---Just because a coin has a + doesn't mean that you shouldn't examine it first to see if you agree with the +. >>
But they have a price guide for that + too!
Doh!
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<< <i>I might be wrong, but I thought the + was an eye appeal factor, not a higher 1/2 grade. >>
The plus means that the coin is in the top 10% of the assigned grade in PCGS's opinion. The star designation on NGC slabs is for eye appeal.
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to get slightly differing levels of toughness in grading. Why shouldn't the
same concept apply to the + grading.
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<< <i>I might be wrong, but I thought the + was an eye appeal factor, not a higher 1/2 grade. >>
The plus means that the coin is in the top 10% of the assigned grade in PCGS's opinion. The star designation on NGC slabs is for eye appeal. >>
Its not 10% of the grade its 30% (.7.8.9).
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<< <i>I might be wrong, but I thought the + was an eye appeal factor, not a higher 1/2 grade. >>
The plus means that the coin is in the top 10% of the assigned grade in PCGS's opinion. The star designation on NGC slabs is for eye appeal. >>
Its not 10% of the grade its 30% (.7.8.9). >>
Additionally, only the top 10 to 15% of coins in a certain grade (MS64, MS65 etc.) will make it-------------BigE
<< <i>Its not 10% of the grade its 30% (.7.8.9). >>
Mathematically it seems like it would be 30%, but it's not. DW, I believe, said it was only the top 10-15% of the grade get the + which means .7 .8 .9 (30%) + eye appeal and that comes out to about 15% of the coins. I guess that means a coin be a .7 .8 or .9, but not have great eye appeal, so it wouldn't get the +
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<< <i>Its not 10% of the grade its 30% (.7.8.9). >>
Mathematically it seems like it would be 30%, but it's not. DW, I believe, said it was only the top 10-15% of the grade get the + which means .7 .8 .9 (30%) + eye appeal and that comes out to about 15% of the coins. I guess that means a coin be a .7 .8 or .9, but not have great eye appeal, so it wouldn't get the + >>
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"The high end for any particular grade represents the top 30 percent of the scale within a grade and I estimate that the plus designation would apply to approximately 15 percent to 20 percent of the coins within a grade. Those technically superior coins in the high end for their grade will now have a plus sign (+) on their PCGS insert label."
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Estimate. It can change,it can be different for different series or different grades.
To claim your coin is in the top 10% of the grade beacuase it got a + is wrong imho. Its in the top 30% of the grade.
The plus may eventually represent the top 10% of coins given that grade or maybe the top 30% of the coins given that grade. Only time will tell.
<< <i>Additionally, only the top 10 to 15% of coins in a certain grade (MS64, MS65 etc.) will make it >>
Can someone please explain to me how this can possibly already be known???
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<< <i>Additionally, only the top 10 to 15% of coins in a certain grade (MS64, MS65 etc.) will make it >>
Can someone please explain to me how this can possibly already be known???
Someone left out the estimate part.