Honestly, for what it's worth, I have seen high end 62s on this date and mintmark appear better. True the caveats about seeing it in hand, but since we have only the pictures to go with then go with them we shall.
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
From my experience, viewing scans of coins shows almost all the contact marks on a coin while digital photographs can hide many contact marks with the correct lighting.
So I'm guessing the scans of this morgan are showing the contact marks in the worst way. I'll bet this coin has great luster and strike, which helps merit the + designation.
Although it's hard to see anything other than contact marks with a scanned image IMO.
30% of the grade in theory is eligible for a plus. However, I'm sure there are a greater number of x.0, x.1 , x.2 , x.3 , x.4, x.5 and x.6's within each grade then that of x.7, x.8 and x.9's and that gets you to the estimated 10 to 20% total. Simply stated there are different amounts of coins within each tenth of the grade that makes up the sum and the assumption is that the higher .7, .8 and .9 grades are lower in numbers. Yes, there is noway to know for sure today.............MJ
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<< <i>30% of the grade in theory is eligible for a plus. However, I'm sure there are a greater number of x.0, x.1 , x.2 , x.3 , x.4, x.5 and x.6's within each grade then that of x.7, x.8 and x.9's and that gets you to the estimated 10 to 20% total. Simply stated there are different amounts of coins within each tenth of the grade that makes up the sum and the assumption is that the higher .7, .8 and .9 grades are lower in numbers. Yes, there is noway to know for sure today.............MJ >>
Good explanation. I don't think everyone understood the math.
Only time will tell what percentage within each grade will get a "+". That percentage may (will) be different for each grade, in each series, and will constantly keep changing as more coins are submitted for grading.
I normally don't comment on threads like this because every coin person with even the a small amount of experience knows that...
YOU CANNOT GRADE COINS BY LOOKING AT SCANS OR IMAGES ON THE WEB...
however, the eBay seller did contact us about this thread. So on his behalf my comment is that though there are some very insightfull comments from TDN and others, some of you are clearly much smarter than me and the rest of the PCGS graders and can clearly disagree with the PCGS grade just by looking at online images. It's a shame some of you have to rag on this guy's coin, when you really have no idea of what this coin looks like in person.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I agree with what HRH said and it is true but a large percentage of buyers only have the picture to go by. So when buyers are buying off the internet they have to base their bid off what they precieve the value and grade is based on the picture provided. Internet sales are huge and not going to dissapear. While it is not the best way to buy coins, sellers have determined they do better by offering the coins on the interent verse going to the local B@M. Heritage/ Teletrade do huge internet business.
I think a lot of people (including me) have been overhyped on what the PLUS + really is and expect more that what we are seeing so far. Time will probably cure that and the PLUS will be a good thing.
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<< <i>Shall we simply speculate that the graders have total recall on all of the previously graded '95-S at MS-64, and expect that this was considered in the top 15%-20% of the grade for the date? I'm puzzled. >>
.....You bring up a very good point -perhaps PCGS should wait until they have imaged a sufficient amount of coins b4 they hand out the pluses
Its not about percentages its if the coin is a .7 or higher for its grade and meets the minimum ea standards. The 15-20% or whatever is just a estimate of the number of coins that would qualify.
My guess is that PCGS is being very careful about pluses and that the coin in question is probably very deserving. Pictures can be deceiving. If I were the seller I'd reshoot them to show its true beauty. Lance.
Shall we simply speculate that the graders have total recall on all of the previously graded '95-S at MS-64, and expect that this was considered in the top 15%-20% of the grade for the date? I'm puzzled.
no reason to be puzzled. it's a fair bet that the graders have seen more examples of MS coins for the date than the responding members in addition to actually having seen the coin in-hand instead of just a (poor) picture.
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Well, just Love coins, period.
So I'm guessing the scans of this morgan are showing the contact marks in the worst way. I'll bet this coin has great luster and strike, which helps merit the + designation.
Although it's hard to see anything other than contact marks with a scanned image IMO.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Wow! The emotions and opinions in this thread is eye opening. >>
How?
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<< <i>Wow! The emotions and opinions in this thread is eye opening. >>
How? >>
There is absolutely no consensus on the OP's coin or the "+" designation.
that someone upstairs knows whats going on.
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<< <i>Additionally, only the top 10 to 15% of coins in a certain grade (MS64, MS65 etc.) will make it >>
Can someone please explain to me how this can possibly already be known???
Someone left out the estimate part. >>
Actually you started it by bringing up the 30% thing
<< <i>30% of the grade in theory is eligible for a plus. However, I'm sure there are a greater number of x.0, x.1 , x.2 , x.3 , x.4, x.5 and x.6's within each grade then that of x.7, x.8 and x.9's and that gets you to the estimated 10 to 20% total. Simply stated there are different amounts of coins within each tenth of the grade that makes up the sum and the assumption is that the higher .7, .8 and .9 grades are lower in numbers. Yes, there is noway to know for sure today.............MJ >>
Good explanation. I don't think everyone understood the math.
Only time will tell what percentage within each grade will get a "+". That percentage may (will) be different for each grade, in each series, and will constantly keep changing as more coins are submitted for grading.
<< <i>I dont see how they get 64+ from that. It barely looks like a 64 to me. >>
It's those fine 'beauty marks' across Miss Liberty's cheek!
I normally don't comment on threads like this because every coin person with even the a small amount of experience knows that...
YOU CANNOT GRADE COINS BY LOOKING AT SCANS OR IMAGES ON THE WEB...
however, the eBay seller did contact us about this thread. So on his behalf my comment is that though there are some very insightfull comments from TDN and others, some of you are clearly much smarter than me and the rest of the PCGS graders and can clearly disagree with the PCGS grade just by looking at online images. It's a shame some of you have to rag on this guy's coin, when you really have no idea of what this coin looks like in person.
hrh
MJ
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I think a lot of people (including me) have been overhyped on what the PLUS + really is and expect more that what we are seeing so far. Time will probably cure that and the PLUS will be a good thing.
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<< <i>I think I recall that when the listing first started the minimum opening bid was $7,750. Now it's $7,900. >>
Well now its got a VIP stamp approval to go with it, thats worth 150$ isnt it?
<< <i>Shall we simply speculate that the graders have total recall on all of the previously graded '95-S at MS-64, and expect that this was considered in the top 15%-20% of the grade for the date? I'm puzzled. >>
.....You bring up a very good point -perhaps PCGS should wait until they have imaged a sufficient amount of coins b4 they hand out the pluses
<< <i>Looks like the price was lowered to a start bid of 5k and a bin of 6k and it didnt sell. >>
If I'd seen that it would have sold.
Lance.
We all complain about someone's picttures on eBay.
Someone else sends them the e-mail for one of our local photo guys.
We then rave about the great photos used.
We all get a cut on the sale.
Simple.
(By the way, they are not using the images to grade as someone suggested they are doing.)
(but then again, we have photo grade, huh?
<< <i>If I'd seen that it would have sold. >>
I 2nd that. I spent about $5K on two coins last week and would have bought that one for 5 and let the other two go.
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It does say.
"If you have a lower B-I-N price in mind, let me know and we can possibly lower it for you."
no reason to be puzzled. it's a fair bet that the graders have seen more examples of MS coins for the date than the responding members in addition to actually having seen the coin in-hand instead of just a (poor) picture.