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Is the "+" grading system just a stop on the way to 700 point grading?

MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,451 ✭✭✭✭✭
If the "+" is embraced by the market, it should make a transition to 700 point grading more viable. How do you think it might play out?
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  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭
    I think it'd mean that we'd eventually be living in what a Chinese Longacre would call excessively interesting times.
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  • The + is essentially an adaptation of the proposed 100 point grading system PCGS was deliberating some time ago.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The new system is a liitle hinky when you think about it..............Within each qualifying Secure Plus grade there are two buckets

    a xx.7 , xx.8 and a xx.9 bucket

    and then a

    xx.0 , xx.1, xx.2, xx.3 , xx.4 and xx.5 and xx.6 all get thrown into a giant bucket.

    Like it or not it seems to me that the market is going to evolve naturally into a 700 point system as the next logical step.

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  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Like it or not it seems to me that the market is going to evolve naturally into a 700 point system as the next logical step. >>

    With all due respect to our hosts, I don't think there's anything logical about the liklihood of being able to consistently grade at that level of precision.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Yes. As well as the addition of some form of cacg (computer assisted coin grading).
    My guess is the info gathered from the current secure plus system could help develop it.
    There will still be human graders to score a coin on the aspects that the machine but a machine will be used to determine the wear factor,authenticity,strike and perhaps other info about a coin.
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still don't think a 700 point grading system is realistic or good for the hobby...and I hope we never see it.

    Besides, it would just give me a headache. Can you imagine the price guides? image
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The price guides don't need to have every little subdivision listed, as long as people begin to understand the concept of interpolation.

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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>With all due respect to our hosts, I don't think there's anything logical about the liklihood of being able to consistently grade at that level of precision. >>


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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it already is a 700 point system, according to HRH ... so, we might as well get used to it.

    Are they really that percise? No, I think they aren't. But if I read between the lines, the plus is for coins that three competent graders
    are saying grade it decent 66, grade it decent 66, and grade it strong 65; and the finalizer is on the borderline as well.

    However, I would like to see that we do not further expand the system's numbering further.

    No two coins are truely the same. The current system (less the plus adder) works. The Plus adder allows PCGS to identify "super-shot"
    coins. True 'tweeners. As the spreads on these escalate, that is the crack-head and doctors biggest hit list ... and hopefully, HOPEFULLY ...
    this can help stem the tide in saving those pieces from the damages we are all constantly witnessing.

    Some of these are national treasures, and many of us (here especially) want nothing more to preserve them in their current state.

    Finally, as Baley points out;

    The price guides don't need to have every little subdivision listed, as long as people begin to understand the concept of interpolation.

    I couldn't agree more. What is the use really of that type of pricing? A 64.2 (or 642 as you will) is worth less than a 64.3 (64.3)? Really??

    Maybe, maybe not.

    If the Uncirculated popolation is 25 coins, and the graders lay them all out side by side, and assign individual numbers to each for census and
    ranking ... okay ... maybe. A big maybe.

    It's still my (our) money, so I suspect I'll let my (our) eye decide that.

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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Like it or not it seems to me that the market is going to evolve naturally into a 700 point system as the next logical step. >>

    With all due respect to our hosts, I don't think there's anything logical about the liklihood of being able to consistently grade at that level of precision. >>



    Exactly right, there's obviously enough trouble trying to grade consistently using the present system considering all the coins that are cracked out and make a different grade the next go-round. I don't care how good a grader you are, everyone has "off" days and makes mistakes, so to do this successfully with so many increments in grade with any degree of consistency is virtually nil.
  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    No human being is capable of consistently grading with the precision needed to accurately separate out coins on a 700 point scale. If anyone tells you that they can consistently tell the difference between a 66.2 and a 66.4, they are lying through their teeth.
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    This has already been answered by PCGS. They stated hat they had been using a 700 point system for about six months, but there was a fair amount of inconsistency amongst the graders; therefore, they decided to go with grouping the 7s/8s/9s into a "+" designation. So no, the "+" is not a stop, but the result, of trying to go to a 700 point system.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can bet on change, that is inevitable. As to what the change may encompass or when it will occur, well, that is the future and not yet clear. Computer grading ( perhaps preceeded by computer 'assisted' grading - oh wait, we have that now) will occur. As to the grade designations, that will be determined after the major task of setting standards and programming has been accomplished. Cheers, RickO
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    By adding the plus option, we've gone from a 70 point grading scale to a 140 point grading scale. A 100 point grading scale would be going backwards to a less precise system.

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