Pics of Potential MS68 Wash's

LOG · March 12, 2010 9:54AM

I was curious as to forum members that believe they have MS67 Wash's that are strong candidates for upgrading to MS68 along with their pics of the same coin(s). I'm including one and was hoping to get some objective opinions on it. Even fractional opinions would be great. As an example it looks like a MS67.3 or conversely even if in your opinion it looks more like a MS66 .

Flatwoods · March 12, 2010 9:58AM

Nice looking coin but I couldn't guess within four grades based on those pics.
Fractional grades are out of the question.

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:01AM

I'm very new at posting and not sure if my how the pic I tried to attach came out. Does it look to small?

Flatwoods · March 12, 2010 10:02AM

Yes

Robb · March 12, 2010 10:04AM

Hosting pics at third part sites like PhotoBucket is a much better option. You'll be able to post much bigger and higher res pics.

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:05AM

It seemed I was limited to only 50K on my attachment so I kept shrinking it until it met that size requirement. Any shortcuts you could recommend or should I just read thru the help menu?

Flatwoods · March 12, 2010 10:11AM

The only way to post larger pics is to use one of the many online pic hosting sites. Such as photobucket.

Justacommeman · March 12, 2010 10:14AM

Here is a 67 witha CAC sticker in an old fattie holder from comparison. I think this is a 68/67. MJ

morgandollar1878 · March 12, 2010 10:15AM

Honestly, the size of the pic is too small to tell. Even if it were larger it would be very hard to say if the coin would upgrade or not. The difference between a 67 and a 68 could be one little mark that does not show up in the pics. I am sure that everyone would also like to see the reverse. From what I have seen it looks nice.

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:19AM

I edited one of replies to include what I hope is a larger pi?

LindeDad · March 12, 2010 10:24AM

<< Here is a 67 witha CAC sticker in an old fattie holder from comparison. I think this is a 68/67. MJ

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I agree that the hits on the reverse keep it from making a full 68.
Will note that grading from images does not show strike quality very well even with the bast of images and that is a consideration in the higest grades.

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:24AM

With any luck I will have included the reverse

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:26AM

LindeDad
In any case that is defiantly a keeper!

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:46AM

MANOFCOINS
Thanks for your input! With any luck your wrong on this one but with your experience and eye for these coins in particular your probable right.

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:48AM

Craig,
I agree and I will look forward to the story which I hope will be coming soon!

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:53AM

Craig
Why is the toning factor so important and or even a must? Why is there not more white 68's?

Marauderrt10 · March 12, 2010 10:56AM

my good friend Bill at CAC thinks its a 68

Marauderrt10 · March 12, 2010 11:06AM

I just got the grade back on this. PCGS MS68'd this. Picture sucks, i need to take another one.

LOG · March 12, 2010 11:09AM

I would put my money on your reason why they don't grade the whites higher. But technically speaking if a white coin is struck as good as its counterpart and is equal in every other aspect do you personally feel that the white coin should receive the grade as well? I would think that an ideal/fair PCGS graders should be color blind because if the only difference is toning it is rather a confusing point.

braddick · March 12, 2010 11:12AM

<< I just got the grade back on this. PCGS MS68 this. Picture sucks, i need to take another one.

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Beautiful coin, but what's going on with the right wing?

LOG · March 12, 2010 11:13AM

Wow! to get a MS67 on a 55 is remarkable ... to get a MS68 for that same 55 I'm speechless! Congratulations!!!

Marauderrt10 · March 12, 2010 11:14AM

<< 

<< I just got the grade back on this. PCGS MS68 this. Picture sucks, i need to take another one.

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Beautiful coin, but what's going on with the right wing? >>

its the picture, there is so much luster on this piece it looks like a proof, i had to angle the coin to get a good shot of the coin, the feather detail is all there though.

Marauderrt10 · March 12, 2010 11:15AM

<< Wow! to get a MS67 on a 55 is remarkable ... to get a MS68 for that same 55 I'm speechless! Congratulations!!! >>

you want to know what holder it was in originally?

wait for it.

LOG · March 12, 2010 11:19AM

I would have guessed NGC but never in a million years that it was once a MS64. That's incredible!

Marauderrt10 · March 12, 2010 11:21AM

<< I would have guessed NGC but never in a million years that it was once a MS64. That's incredible! >>

NGC was notorious for being terrible at grading quarters.

Looks like pcgs will have to update the population. since its a 1/0 now

LOG · March 12, 2010 11:31AM

Craig,
If toning is part of PCGS normal criterion to obtain a 68 status or if your chances are increased that suggests that collectors of past that were less careful in storing their coins have been rewarded or at least their inheritors.

Raybo · March 12, 2010 11:47AM

<< Beautiful coin, but what's going on with the right wing? >>

Republican?

braddick · March 12, 2010 11:52AM

<< 

<< Wow! to get a MS67 on a 55 is remarkable ... to get a MS68 for that same 55 I'm speechless! Congratulations!!! >>

you want to know what holder it was in originally?

wait for it.
This revelation deserves its own thread.

>>

dpoole · March 12, 2010 12:02PM

<< This revelation deserves its own thread. >>

Yes, indeed.

Pays to look through the routine stuff at the shows.

PCcoins · March 12, 2010 12:07PM

I need the full pic of that 1955 ngc ms64 before I believe it crossed to a ms68. sorry

PawPaul · March 12, 2010 12:10PM

i'm with you PC

Marauderrt10 · March 12, 2010 12:26PM

<< I need the full pic of that 1955 ngc ms64 before I believe it crossed to a ms68. sorry >>

Sorry I cracked it out before I took a picture. I didn't think it would ms68 since I put min grade of 67

PCcoins · March 12, 2010 12:27PM

<< 

<< I need the full pic of that 1955 ngc ms64 before I believe it crossed to a ms68. sorry >>

Sorry I cracked it out before I took a picture. I didn't think it would ms68 since I put min grade of 67 >>

ok.............

Marauderrt10 · March 12, 2010 12:31PM

<< 

<< 

<< I need the full pic of that 1955 ngc ms64 before I believe it crossed to a ms68. sorry >>

Sorry I cracked it out before I took a picture. I didn't think it would ms68 since I put min grade of 67 >>

ok.............

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Shouldnt be that hard to believe it. Look how clean it is

morgandollar1878 · March 12, 2010 1:10PM

I think at this point you're going to have to prove that 1955 Washie graded MS68 by PCGS. I just don't see it and there is way too many disturbances on the surface of that coin for that grade.

PCcoins · March 12, 2010 1:18PM

<< I think at this point you're going to have to prove that 1955 Washie graded MS68 by PCGS. I just don't see it and there is way too many disturbances on the surface of that coin for that grade.

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yes, we the people need proof I say! At least the washie guys

What's the pcgs ms68 cert. number please, then I will leave you alone.

PawPaul · March 12, 2010 1:24PM

I don't have a problem with it grading ms68 @ PCGS ....

it's just a huge stretch to find out it was in a NGC MS64 holder -

thats a 4 point jump in grade in uncirculated grades between the two top TPG's ; thats almost too hard to believe

Justacommeman · March 12, 2010 1:40PM

<< I don't have a problem with it grading ms68 @ PCGS ....

it's just a huge stretch to find out it was in a NGC MS64 holder -

thats a 4 point jump in grade in uncirculated grades between the two top TPG's ; thats almost too hard to believe >>

The irony is that if it was a PCGS 64 and upgraded to a NGC 68 it would be more believeable around these parts

Just sayin.

By the way, I find it hard to believe also , but s&%t happens I guess. MJ

Marauderrt10 · March 12, 2010 1:54PM

<< 

<< I don't have a problem with it grading ms68 @ PCGS ....

it's just a huge stretch to find out it was in a NGC MS64 holder -

thats a 4 point jump in grade in uncirculated grades between the two top TPG's ; thats almost too hard to believe >>

The irony is that if it was a PCGS 64 and upgraded to a NGC 68 it would be more believeable around these parts

Just sayin.

By the way, I find it hard to believe also , but s&%t happens I guess. MJ >>

I might have a picture I can post, I'm in the movies right now so I'll do it later

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LOG · March 12, 2010 8:41PM

AllCoinsRule

Thanks! I'm not happy with a lot of the pics but the coin in hand is what counts.

bushmaster8 · March 12, 2010 9:47PM

<< Sorry I cracked it out before I took a picture. I didn't think it would ms68 since I put min grade of 67 >>

I'm curious about why you would put a minimum grade on a raw coin. If the coin came back 66 and you felt it was better than that you could just crack it.

LOG · March 12, 2010 10:17PM

bushmaster8
Thats a great point. Personally I would have been happy, or at least expected. with a MS66. Anything better would have been a wonderful bonus.

braddick · March 13, 2010 12:47AM

The 55 shows a die crack in the hair and I bet NGC upon a quickie glance thought it a scratch (?) and thus the grade of MS64.
PCGS, seeing it for what it truly is awarded an the MS68 grade.

That's my theory.

19Lyds · March 13, 2010 12:49AM

Are the registry Pops no longer updated as soon as the grade posts?

It used to be that once the order was shipped out, the registry pops would update. The Online Pops don't update until early Sunday morning.

NotSure · March 13, 2010 1:08AM

Who would cross a coin (leave out any recently minted coin), get a PCGS 68 from an NGC 64, and crack it for an album (if it's true, I guess we know who would)? I certainly wouldn't. Not casting stones, but as Lee pointed out, I see no MS68's for '55.

crazyhounddog · March 13, 2010 1:11AM

<< my good friend Bill at CAC thinks its a 68

>>

This is the most beautiful Washington quarter I have ever seen

braddick · March 13, 2010 1:13AM

<< Who would cross a coin (leave out any recently minted coin), get a PCGS 68 from an NGC 64, and crack it for an album (if it's true, I guess we know who would)? I certainly wouldn't. Not casting stones, but as Lee pointed out, I see no MS68's for '55. >>

Perhaps my reading comprehension is off today, didn't he crack it from the NGC MS64 holder (and possibly not getting a photo of it within that slab...) and get it raw into a PCGS MS68 holder where it is still today?

Am I (now) reading it was placed in a PCGS slab and then cracked out?

oreville · March 13, 2010 1:16AM

Marauderrt10: Nice die crack on George's head.

I would have graded this as a MS-67. But a really nice MS-67. Couple of tics on eagles wingspan and almost unnoticeable luster graze on the dreaded right side of the obverse keep it out of MS-68 in my view.

TomB · March 13, 2010 1:17AM

Pat, my understanding of the post is that the coin was claimed to have been cracked out of an NGC MS64 holder and submitted raw to PCGS with a minimum grade request of MS67. I am not certain why someone would put a minimum grade request on this coin as a raw submission, but that is how I interpret the post.

By the way, the die crack in Washington's head is an uber common crack and it would surprise me greatly if the grader(s) thought that it was a grade limiting scratch.

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