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The false legend of Joe Namath?
RonBurgundy
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Almost 50 more career interceptions than TD's. Led the league in INT's 4 times, with a couple of very bad years (4 td's, 16 int's, for example.). All time QB record of 62-63.
Remind me why he is in the HOF?
Remind me why he is in the HOF?
Ron Burgundy
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most overhyped player ever,
1 prediction made him a legend... what was he supposed to say??
I think we will play mediocre and lose the game with a fumble in the 4th quarter?
of course he said they were going to win
Its a shame a guy Like Stabler is not in,namath is.What about a 2 time superbowl
winner not being in? Plunkett,
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If you never saw him play, you don't know what you missed.
2 gimpy knees and the quickest release in history.
Numbers mean nothing when it comes to greatness.
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<< <i>He put the AFL on the map and made the leagues join.
If you never saw him play, you don't know what you missed.
2 gimpy knees and the quickest release in history.
Numbers mean nothing when it comes to greatness. >>
Exactly, all of the amateur stat readers will never get it. If you know the history of football and truly understand the impact Joe Namath had, you would understand how foolish some of the comments made are by some posters.
I saw namath play....crunch all the numbers you want he carried a whole league and changes the way the afl would be looked upon forever.
Namath has an absolute gun......only a few I have ever seen can match it.
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<< <i>He put the AFL on the map and made the leagues join.
If you never saw him play, you don't know what you missed.
2 gimpy knees and the quickest release in history.
Numbers mean nothing when it comes to greatness. >>
YOU...are correct, sir!
If you need some books on civility, LMK, I can recommend a few.
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not saying this guy doesn't belong in the baseball Hall (he does), but maybe slightly overrated...
324W-292L = .526 or a career season avg. of 14W-13L
Doug
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Namath is in my top 5.
My top 8 are in no particular order.
Namath
Emmitt Thomas
Joe DeLamielleure
John Stallworth
Lynn Swann
Fred Dean
Charlie Joiner
Paul Hornung
Thanks for the substantive response.
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= icon - not in
should be
( I know it is a different sport BTW )
but it is the same argument, it is the hall of fame
Joe flat out doesn't have the stats to be there
but I don't mind him being there because of his iconic status
he is a "hall of Fame" persona, in someways bigger then the game.
but if you base on stats alone.. there are much more deserving players
I do agree that Stabler and probably Plunkett shoud be in as well
I think that if Muhammad Ali wasn't this brash loud-mouth, he would be looked back at as just another boxer.
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FavreFan - I agree with many of your selections, but Joe DeLamiellure? 6 time 1st team All-Pro, 2 more time 2nd team All-Pro, 1970s NFL Team of the Decade 1st team (along with Larry Little, 2nd team was John Hannah and Gene Upshaw - oddly enough, by the time the 75th Anniversary Team was selected, Hannah and Upshaw had leapfrogged Joe D. to make the team).
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<< <i>He put the AFL on the map and made the leagues join.
If you never saw him play, you don't know what you missed.
2 gimpy knees and the quickest release in history.
Numbers mean nothing when it comes to greatness. >>
Not only did he do all this. He did it in New York where it is tougher to succeed.
Not only was it a great superbowl upset, but before that some people said he was going against the greatest defense of all time.
Numbers don't tell it all.
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thats about it and i'm a jets fan
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<< <i>Doug -
Thanks for the substantive response. >>
Ron ... you are welcome. I agree that you could argue against him if it was based solely upon wins and losses. But like I said, he really did a lot for the integration of the two leagues and it's amazing that he was able to take the pounding that he did and stay in the game considering how bad his knees were.
I admit that I am a bit biased, as I grew up down the block from Hofstra University, which is where the JETS practiced when Namath played for them. EVERY DAY in the summer I would walk there with my friends and sit right on the grass next to the field where they practiced. You would not believe the conditions that they practiced on ... it was just a wide open grassy area ... almost like a big back yard. The players talked to you while they were practicing. They also were very generous with autographs. I had a spiral notebook that I would get signed every friggin day. I had some of the rookies twenty times! LOL I also had Namath quite a few times. Too bad that notebook is long gone.
Doug
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Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>For those praising Namath, explain why he was any better than Daryle Lamonica.
Here's what I know about Lamonica. He would start the game, the Raiders would be losing, and Stabler would come in to win the game. I am not qualified to judge who should or should not be in the football HOF; I do not even know what the criteria are. I do know that Namath is one of the most famous football players of all time. Not that it's relevant, but he was a tremendous athlete before he hurt his knees.
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<< <i>Hey Drew, get over yourself. I asked a legitimate question, there's a way to answer it without being a baby arm. Judging from the posts, it appears as if there is some room for disagreement on the point. I never saw him play and wanted to know what, besides 1968, warrants him in the HOF discussion.
If you need some books on civility, LMK, I can recommend a few. >>
Your still mad over that Burgundy? Really dude, pathetic. I answered the question and your the only one to get all upset like it really hurt your feelings, I wasn't even targeting you with my point. This has been discussed several times in the Sports Talk forum(hmmmm???) and several people like yourself, who apparently don't have a true historical background of the game, bash on Namath for statistics, but have no clue of the impact he made upon the game, and that he was indeed an absolute great on the field also.
I'm sure you do have a whole library on books on civility, how thick is the dust layer?
There's not a single knowledgeable football fan who watched Namath play that I have met that did not agree with what 2deuces said.
You're right, though, I shouldn't have gone there with civility. I should have started with literacy. There you go railing on me (and others) for "bashing Namath for statistics", but if you read my post (give it a try, pahdnah, if you can), I cited his actual stats and asked a question. Oh, I must be one of those who has "no clue" (there's that civility thing again).
Anyway, since we're all dunces here, coach, enlighten us. Let's drop the broad generalities which have filled your two posts to date and get down to some substance. Present some substantive, cogent arguments to back up your points. Don't give me the "I saw him play" crap or repeat anything Doug has said. You apparently have the answers. Go.
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<< <i>He put the AFL on the map and made the leagues join.
If you never saw him play, you don't know what you missed.
2 gimpy knees and the quickest release in history.
Numbers mean nothing when it comes to greatness. >>
Exactly right which is why Hall of Fame voting based just on stats can be so flawed.
<< <i>Hey Drew, get over yourself. I asked a legitimate question, there's a way to answer it without being a baby arm. Judging from the posts, it appears as if there is some room for disagreement on the point. I never saw him play and wanted to know what, besides 1968, warrants him in the HOF discussion.
If you need some books on civility, LMK, I can recommend a few. >>
"Baby Arm..." = first time I've noticed schtick on here. :-)
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<< <i>LOL! Using words like "amateur" and "foolish", and now you're getting all sanctimonious on us?
You're right, though, I shouldn't have gone there with civility. I should have started with literacy. There you go railing on me (and others) for "bashing Namath for statistics", but if you read my post (give it a try, pahdnah, if you can), I cited his actual stats and asked a question. Oh, I must be one of those who has "no clue" (there's that civility thing again).
Anyway, since we're all dunces here, coach, enlighten us. Let's drop the broad generalities which have filled your two posts to date and get down to some substance. Present some substantive, cogent arguments to back up your points. Don't give me the "I saw him play" crap or repeat anything Doug has said. You apparently have the answers. Go. >>
If you can't comprehend that football experts and historians as well as those fans who did see Namath play can't make a better informed opinion on a player's true value and greatness than by googling a line of statistics, well, Cochise, I can't help you out.
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<< <i>LOL! Using words like "amateur" and "foolish", and now you're getting all sanctimonious on us?
You're right, though, I shouldn't have gone there with civility. I should have started with literacy. There you go railing on me (and others) for "bashing Namath for statistics", but if you read my post (give it a try, pahdnah, if you can), I cited his actual stats and asked a question. Oh, I must be one of those who has "no clue" (there's that civility thing again).
Anyway, since we're all dunces here, coach, enlighten us. Let's drop the broad generalities which have filled your two posts to date and get down to some substance. Present some substantive, cogent arguments to back up your points. Don't give me the "I saw him play" crap or repeat anything Doug has said. You apparently have the answers. Go. >>
If you can't comprehend that football experts and historians as well as those fans who did see Namath play can't make a better informed opinion on a player's true value and greatness than by googling a line of statistics, well, Cochise, I can't help you out. >>
INTs just weren't viewed the same way back then. Nowadays, it's all about protecting the ball and throwing it away. Back then, it wasn't at all uncommon to see multiple DBs with 8 or more picks.
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umm he was voted in?
Steve
<< <i>I was talking one time with a guy ho managed a nightclub many moons ago in NYC and had had some interesting tales on Joe. Apparently he banged some of the most gorgous women on the planet, many at the same time. He could walk into a joint, snap his fingers at 4 smoking females and he who walk out with all of them for some good ol fun. I know females are attracted to fame and power and of course money...but what made females go that crazy over Namath? >>
Namath just had that swagger.
Being the QB for Jets didn't hurt either.
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I read Weeb Ewbanks (?) said when Namath was his QB he'd lay under his bed and push it up and down for him to save his knees.
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and both are very overrated! ....... but do deserve HOF IMO