mrpotatoehead... you got the 100th post and didn't even call it... this would distinguish you as a collector who most likely looks at the coin before the label on the holder... good for you...
as a dealer, I need to look at both...
sooooooo
101
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
<< <i>Seriously, though- I'm thinking it would suck mightily if the success of your business is dependent on satisfying the 1% (or whatever the percentage actually is) of people who appear to never be satisfied. >>
I have seen instances in this business, as well as others, that butt-kissing the 1% has resulted in lost business from the other 99%. There seems to be a loss of professionalism and integrity when this happens. If the dealer feels he must be "politically correct" and super nice to some pain in the backside at the expense of taking care of business with real collectors, then I believe he needs to readjust his priorities. Everybody should have a shot, but if they become PITA's, they should be told, in a polite and diplomatic manner, to put some leather down on the pavement. And before anybody gets upset, some of the REAL collectors I deal with (on both sides of the table) do not necessarily buy things on a frequent basis. Their knowledge and professionalism is greatly appreciated, and many have become long-time friends. But the self-proclaimed living legends who just like to hear themselves expound their ignorance and disrespect need to hit the road.
By the way, this thread and the companion one are both great. Everyone, including the complainers, would do well to take some of it to heart.
Larry L.
Autism Awareness: There is no limit to the good you can do, if you don't care who gets the credit.
>>.. No, I can't sell you a new $23k Camry for $18k, it simply isn't going to happen. No, we don't have over 20% in these cars.<<
I just purchased two for a local charity and did get them for 18K each. Cash purchase but no special deal over what anyone could walk in and get them for. So perhaps we have overlooked an important aspect to the entire question such a location and local "custom".
Over time you will find dealers and B&M's that you like and that they appear to like you, to the ones you do not like, walk on by becasue most likey anything you have to say will not cause them to change and why should they.
Mark NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!! working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
Have you NEVER commented to a co-worker or boss or family member or a friend about some difficult customer?
You are not confiding to a co-worker your frustration with a single collector. Remember the title of your thread is: Things about coin collectors that bug me
You are publishing messages making fun of coin collectors in a forum that is read by collectors. In my opinion, a service business should not publicly disparage its customers. Can you imagine Walt Disney publicly making fun of some people who watch cartoons? Or Ray Kroc publicly laughing at some of the people who eat fast food?
PLE, with all due respect, sir... The spirit of the thread is a tongue in cheek view from the other side of the table. It's not meant to offend. It's just a little gentle ribbing. Lord knows enough forum space has been devoted to (not so light spirited) attacks on dealers.
As a customer only, I found it to be entertaining and even a little educational.
I had a table at a local monthly show today. A collector approached my table and inquired if I was interested in a couple areas of world coinage. As I don't deal in that area, I politely declined. The table to my left was vacant due to an injury to the bourse chairman, who owns that table along with the one he sublet to me. As I was in a conversation with two others at the time( one customer, and one aquaintance to my right and seated behind my table) my attention was diverted from the collector offering the world coins. Moments later, as I was concluding my conversation with the aquaintance, I look to my left, and the collector with the world coins was seated behind the vacant table with coins spread out on the table that he was offering to my previous customer. Instead of getting up and upending the table, which is what I should have done, I politely told him that he had not paid rent for the table, and that he needed to remove himself from the bourse before he was removed physically by a uniformed police officer who was standing nearby. He was wise enough to leave immediately, along with my previous customer who reinforced my suggestion.
<< <i>I Moments later, as I was concluding my conversation with the aquaintance, I look to my left, and the collector with the world coins was seated behind the vacant table with coins spread out on the table that he was offering to my previous customer. Instead of getting up and upending the table, which is what I should have done, I politely told him that he had not paid rent for the table, and that he needed to remove himself from the bourse before he was removed physically by a uniformed police officer who was standing nearby. He was wise enough to leave immediately, along with my previous customer who reinforced my suggestion. >>
And people think at times that dealers are robbers, here is clear cut case of straight out theft. How honest would that person be in a deal?
Anyone who doesn't see the humor in the OP needs to mellow out. Collectors gripe 24/7 about dealers on these forums, and it's fine to have the occasional viewpoint from the other side of the table.
It's only a matter of time before someone starts a new thread titled
"Things about collectors that become coin dealers that bug me"
MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>>>.. No, I can't sell you a new $23k Camry for $18k, it simply isn't going to happen. No, we don't have over 20% in these cars.<<
I just purchased two for a local charity and did get them for 18K each. Cash purchase but no special deal over what anyone could walk in and get them for. So perhaps we have overlooked an important aspect to the entire question such a location and local "custom". >>
Find me unpunched brand new 2010 LEs for $18k each and there's $1k per car in it for you. If memory serves a $22,850 Camry LE has an actual invoice in and around the $20,500 range. There's no rebates or incentive money on 2010s yet, if there was you'd be talking around $1000 if that. Toyota is also dropping rebates and dealer cash and going to rate driven programs anyhow. You might have bought base Camrys which, in our market, barely exist anyhow.
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<< <i>Have you NEVER commented to a co-worker or boss or family member or a friend about some difficult customer?
You are not confiding to a co-worker your frustration with a single collector. Remember the title of your thread is: Things about coin collectors that bug me
You are publishing messages making fun of coin collectors in a forum that is read by collectors. In my opinion, a service business should not publicly disparage its customers. Can you imagine Walt Disney publicly making fun of some people who watch cartoons? Or Ray Kroc publicly laughing at some of the people who eat fast food? >>
<< <i>Have you NEVER commented to a co-worker or boss or family member or a friend about some difficult customer?
You are not confiding to a co-worker your frustration with a single collector. Remember the title of your thread is: Things about coin collectors that bug me
You are publishing messages making fun of coin collectors in a forum that is read by collectors. In my opinion, a service business should not publicly disparage its customers. Can you imagine Walt Disney publicly making fun of some people who watch cartoons? Or Ray Kroc publicly laughing at some of the people who eat fast food? >>
Go sit on a soggy cornflake, dude...
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
<< <i>What disturbs me the most about coin collectors is the prevalence of reactionary right wing extremism. >>
Wow! That one really came out of Left field!
I didn't know coin collecting was an indicator of one's political leanings. >>
This one did not come out of left field for me at all. While there are certainly coin collectors across the political spectrum, the right wing extremist types seem to think that someone who deals in tangible assets will be like-minded. At almost every show I set up at, at some point, someone will start in with some right-wing ideolgy, as if it is a foregone conclusion that I agree with them. Just because I deal in rare coins does not mean I also have bunker stocked with freeze-dried food.
I prefer not to discuss politics with strangers.
BTW - I am serious. Conversations actually go like this:
Collector: "Could I see that 1885 Seated Quarter" Me: "Sure - here you go" Collector: "Can you believe what that @$%W Pelosi is doing on Washington" Me: "I need $500 for that coin"
In another thread, I was very critical of an iconic coin dealer, who posted a thread poking fun at the ignorance of his clientele.
I think that there is a huge difference between making fun of customers because they are not as coin smart as dealers and making fun of customers because they are pigs. I think that in various lines of work, many of have more knowledge in our fields than those who we serve. However, there is a common thread of rude, inappropriate, and ill-mannered behavior exhibited by customers that many of us in service or sales can relate, and the humor in it is nearly universal.
In short, I do not think a thread like this is worth getting steamed up over.
<< <i>In another thread, I was very critical of an iconic coin dealer, who posted a thread poking fun at the ignorance of his clientele.
I think that there is a huge difference between making fun of customers because they are not as coin smart as dealers and making fun of customers because they are pigs. I think that in various lines of work, many of have more knowledge in our fields than those who we serve. However, there is a common thread of rude, inappropriate, and ill-mannered behavior exhibited by customers that many of us in service or sales can relate, and the humor in it is nearly universal.
In short, I do not think a thread like this is worth getting steamed up over. >>
Yes, RYK... like you, I work FT in the Medical "Business"... I work at a VA Hospital and always do whatever I can to assist those that seek our services... and do so with the utmost respect. Yet there have been a number of Vets who have presented themselves in a manner that was totally rude and disrespectful. On a very few occasions, I have put my nose right up to theirs and let them know... "Being a Vet entitles you a number of things... but one of them IS NOT to be rude or abusive to those whom you took the time to "defend" "... (I can do that because I am also a Veteran and was born on a Marine Base as the son of a Veteran)
Just because a person is a coin collector and a potential customer does not give them the right to be rude... I will never... repeat never... kiss up to please a potential customer... NEVER. I will present my "wares" and deal with folks in a friendly manner... I will discuss the coins and offer my best prices... either we will strike a "deal" or not... either way, that is the equation...
Again... to the few folks who got a bit ruffled... I was once taught that when a person is really bothered by something, it is usually because they feel "attacked"... if anyone who read the OP and took the time to read the rest of this entertaining thread is still bothered by what has been said... I suggest you take a look in the mirror rather than point any fingers or attempt to lecture me or anyone on how to "properly" treat customers...
And if any of you "saw" yourself in any of the examples given in the OP... good... take a look at yourself and consider if you are putting your best foot forward...
As "they" say... honey will get your further than vinegar... a "nice" person in this hobby will end up with more pleasant business relationships... get shown "nicer" material and at a much "nicer" price... and will inevitably have more fun with the hobby...
And if you will note in the OP... a number of those examples led to other collectors being treated unfairly... by not having fair access to the dealer's wares because someone else was "hogging" space or the dealer's attention...
Peace and Happy Holidays to Everyone...
Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free
<< <i>In another thread, I was very critical of an iconic coin dealer, who posted a thread poking fun at the ignorance of his clientele.
I think that there is a huge difference between making fun of customers because they are not as coin smart as dealers and making fun of customers because they are pigs. I think that in various lines of work, many of have more knowledge in our fields than those who we serve. However, there is a common thread of rude, inappropriate, and ill-mannered behavior exhibited by customers that many of us in service or sales can relate, and the humor in it is nearly universal.
In short, I do not think a thread like this is worth getting steamed up over. >>
Yes, RYK... like you, I work FT in the Medical "Business"... I work at a VA Hospital and always do whatever I can to assist those that seek our services... and do so with the utmost respect. Yet there have been a number of Vets who have presented themselves in a manner that was totally rude and disrespectful. On a very few occasions, I have put my nose right up to theirs and let them know... "Being a Vet entitles you a number of things... but one of them IS NOT to be rude or abusive to those whom you took the time to "defend" "... (I can do that because I am also a Veteran and was born on a Marine Base as the son of a Veteran)
Just because a person is a coin collector and a potential customer does not give them the right to be rude... I will never... repeat never... kiss up to please a potential customer... NEVER. I will present my "wares" and deal with folks in a friendly manner... I will discuss the coins and offer my best prices... either we will strike a "deal" or not... either way, that is the equation...
Again... to the few folks who got a bit ruffled... I was once taught that when a person is really bothered by something, it is usually because they feel "attacked"... if anyone who read the OP and took the time to read the rest of this entertaining thread is still bothered by what has been said... I suggest you take a look in the mirror rather than point any fingers or attempt to lecture me or anyone on how to "properly" treat customers...
And if any of you "saw" yourself in any of the examples given in the OP... good... take a look at yourself and consider if you are putting your best foot forward...
As "they" say... honey will get your further than vinegar... a "nice" person in this hobby will end up with more pleasant business relationships... get shown "nicer" material and at a much "nicer" price... and will inevitably have more fun with the hobby...
And if you will note in the OP... a number of those examples led to other collectors being treated unfairly... by not having fair access to the dealer's wares because someone else was "hogging" space or the dealer's attention...
Peace and Happy Holidays to Everyone... >>
I think you have summarized this entire thread in a single post!
Larry L.
Autism Awareness: There is no limit to the good you can do, if you don't care who gets the credit.
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as a dealer, I need to look at both...
sooooooo
101
<< <i>mrpotatoehead... you got the 100th post and didn't even call it... >>
Didn't know enough to look- there isn't a post count on the threads when I read them.
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<< <i>Seriously, though- I'm thinking it would suck mightily if the success of your business is dependent on satisfying the 1% (or whatever the percentage actually is) of people who appear to never be satisfied. >>
I have seen instances in this business, as well as others, that butt-kissing the 1% has resulted in lost business from the other 99%. There seems to be a loss of professionalism and integrity when this happens. If the dealer feels he must be "politically correct" and super nice to some pain in the backside at the expense of taking care of business with real collectors, then I believe he needs to readjust his priorities. Everybody should have a shot, but if they become PITA's, they should be told, in a polite and diplomatic manner, to put some leather down on the pavement. And before anybody gets upset, some of the REAL collectors I deal with (on both sides of the table) do not necessarily buy things on a frequent basis. Their knowledge and professionalism is greatly appreciated, and many have become long-time friends. But the self-proclaimed living legends who just like to hear themselves expound their ignorance and disrespect need to hit the road.
By the way, this thread and the companion one are both great. Everyone, including the complainers, would do well to take some of it to heart.
Larry L.
I just purchased two for a local charity and did get them for 18K each. Cash purchase but no special deal over what anyone could walk in and get them for. So perhaps we have overlooked an important aspect to the entire question such a location and local "custom".
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
You are not confiding to a co-worker your frustration with a single collector. Remember the title of your thread is: Things about coin collectors that bug me
You are publishing messages making fun of coin collectors in a forum that is read by collectors. In my opinion, a service business should not publicly disparage its customers. Can you imagine Walt Disney publicly making fun of some people who watch cartoons? Or Ray Kroc publicly laughing at some of the people who eat fast food?
It's not meant to offend. It's just a little gentle ribbing. Lord knows enough forum space has been devoted to (not so light spirited) attacks on dealers.
As a customer only, I found it to be entertaining and even a little educational.
It's mostly just
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
Very entertaining and I couldn't disagree any more with PLE.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
<< <i>I Moments later, as I was concluding my conversation with the aquaintance, I look to my left, and the collector with the world coins was seated behind the vacant table with coins spread out on the table that he was offering to my previous customer. Instead of getting up and upending the table, which is what I should have done, I politely told him that he had not paid rent for the table, and that he needed to remove himself from the bourse before he was removed physically by a uniformed police officer who was standing nearby. He was wise enough to leave immediately, along with my previous customer who reinforced my suggestion. >>
And people think at times that dealers are robbers, here is clear cut case of straight out theft.
How honest would that person be in a deal?
"Things about collectors that become coin dealers that bug me"
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>>>.. No, I can't sell you a new $23k Camry for $18k, it simply isn't going to happen. No, we don't have over 20% in these cars.<<
I just purchased two for a local charity and did get them for 18K each. Cash purchase but no special deal over what anyone could walk in and get them for. So perhaps we have overlooked an important aspect to the entire question such a location and local "custom". >>
Find me unpunched brand new 2010 LEs for $18k each and there's $1k per car in it for you. If memory serves a $22,850 Camry LE has an actual invoice in and around the $20,500 range. There's no rebates or incentive money on 2010s yet, if there was you'd be talking around $1000 if that. Toyota is also dropping rebates and dealer cash and going to rate driven programs anyhow. You might have bought base Camrys which, in our market, barely exist anyhow.
<< <i>Have you NEVER commented to a co-worker or boss or family member or a friend about some difficult customer?
You are not confiding to a co-worker your frustration with a single collector. Remember the title of your thread is: Things about coin collectors that bug me
You are publishing messages making fun of coin collectors in a forum that is read by collectors. In my opinion, a service business should not publicly disparage its customers. Can you imagine Walt Disney publicly making fun of some people who watch cartoons? Or Ray Kroc publicly laughing at some of the people who eat fast food? >>
This link may help you understand this thread
<< <i>What disturbs me the most about coin collectors is the prevalence of reactionary right wing extremism. >>
Wow! That one really came out of Left field!
I didn't know coin collecting was an indicator of one's political leanings.
<< <i>Have you NEVER commented to a co-worker or boss or family member or a friend about some difficult customer?
You are not confiding to a co-worker your frustration with a single collector. Remember the title of your thread is: Things about coin collectors that bug me
You are publishing messages making fun of coin collectors in a forum that is read by collectors. In my opinion, a service business should not publicly disparage its customers. Can you imagine Walt Disney publicly making fun of some people who watch cartoons? Or Ray Kroc publicly laughing at some of the people who eat fast food? >>
Go sit on a soggy cornflake, dude...
While I appreciate the intent of the OP, I certainly can also appreciate the view of PLE.
I for one would not publically post my clent experiences unless I had something positive to say.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>
<< <i>What disturbs me the most about coin collectors is the prevalence of reactionary right wing extremism. >>
Wow! That one really came out of Left field!
I didn't know coin collecting was an indicator of one's political leanings. >>
This one did not come out of left field for me at all. While there are certainly coin collectors across the political spectrum, the right wing extremist types seem to think that someone who deals in tangible assets will be like-minded. At almost every show I set up at, at some point, someone will start in with some right-wing ideolgy, as if it is a foregone conclusion that I agree with them. Just because I deal in rare coins does not mean I also have bunker stocked with freeze-dried food.
I prefer not to discuss politics with strangers.
BTW - I am serious. Conversations actually go like this:
Collector: "Could I see that 1885 Seated Quarter"
Me: "Sure - here you go"
Collector: "Can you believe what that @$%W Pelosi is doing on Washington"
Me: "I need $500 for that coin"
merse
I think that there is a huge difference between making fun of customers because they are not as coin smart as dealers and making fun of customers because they are pigs. I think that in various lines of work, many of have more knowledge in our fields than those who we serve. However, there is a common thread of rude, inappropriate, and ill-mannered behavior exhibited by customers that many of us in service or sales can relate, and the humor in it is nearly universal.
In short, I do not think a thread like this is worth getting steamed up over.
<< <i>In another thread, I was very critical of an iconic coin dealer, who posted a thread poking fun at the ignorance of his clientele.
I think that there is a huge difference between making fun of customers because they are not as coin smart as dealers and making fun of customers because they are pigs. I think that in various lines of work, many of have more knowledge in our fields than those who we serve. However, there is a common thread of rude, inappropriate, and ill-mannered behavior exhibited by customers that many of us in service or sales can relate, and the humor in it is nearly universal.
In short, I do not think a thread like this is worth getting steamed up over. >>
Yes, RYK... like you, I work FT in the Medical "Business"... I work at a VA Hospital and always do whatever I can to assist those that seek our services... and do so with the utmost respect. Yet there have been a number of Vets who have presented themselves in a manner that was totally rude and disrespectful. On a very few occasions, I have put my nose right up to theirs and let them know... "Being a Vet entitles you a number of things... but one of them IS NOT to be rude or abusive to those whom you took the time to "defend" "... (I can do that because I am also a Veteran and was born on a Marine Base as the son of a Veteran)
Just because a person is a coin collector and a potential customer does not give them the right to be rude... I will never... repeat never... kiss up to please a potential customer... NEVER. I will present my "wares" and deal with folks in a friendly manner... I will discuss the coins and offer my best prices... either we will strike a "deal" or not... either way, that is the equation...
Again... to the few folks who got a bit ruffled... I was once taught that when a person is really bothered by something, it is usually because they feel "attacked"... if anyone who read the OP and took the time to read the rest of this entertaining thread is still bothered by what has been said... I suggest you take a look in the mirror rather than point any fingers or attempt to lecture me or anyone on how to "properly" treat customers...
And if any of you "saw" yourself in any of the examples given in the OP... good... take a look at yourself and consider if you are putting your best foot forward...
As "they" say... honey will get your further than vinegar... a "nice" person in this hobby will end up with more pleasant business relationships... get shown "nicer" material and at a much "nicer" price... and will inevitably have more fun with the hobby...
And if you will note in the OP... a number of those examples led to other collectors being treated unfairly... by not having fair access to the dealer's wares because someone else was "hogging" space or the dealer's attention...
Peace and Happy Holidays to Everyone...
<< <i>
<< <i>In another thread, I was very critical of an iconic coin dealer, who posted a thread poking fun at the ignorance of his clientele.
I think that there is a huge difference between making fun of customers because they are not as coin smart as dealers and making fun of customers because they are pigs. I think that in various lines of work, many of have more knowledge in our fields than those who we serve. However, there is a common thread of rude, inappropriate, and ill-mannered behavior exhibited by customers that many of us in service or sales can relate, and the humor in it is nearly universal.
In short, I do not think a thread like this is worth getting steamed up over. >>
Yes, RYK... like you, I work FT in the Medical "Business"... I work at a VA Hospital and always do whatever I can to assist those that seek our services... and do so with the utmost respect. Yet there have been a number of Vets who have presented themselves in a manner that was totally rude and disrespectful. On a very few occasions, I have put my nose right up to theirs and let them know... "Being a Vet entitles you a number of things... but one of them IS NOT to be rude or abusive to those whom you took the time to "defend" "... (I can do that because I am also a Veteran and was born on a Marine Base as the son of a Veteran)
Just because a person is a coin collector and a potential customer does not give them the right to be rude... I will never... repeat never... kiss up to please a potential customer... NEVER. I will present my "wares" and deal with folks in a friendly manner... I will discuss the coins and offer my best prices... either we will strike a "deal" or not... either way, that is the equation...
Again... to the few folks who got a bit ruffled... I was once taught that when a person is really bothered by something, it is usually because they feel "attacked"... if anyone who read the OP and took the time to read the rest of this entertaining thread is still bothered by what has been said... I suggest you take a look in the mirror rather than point any fingers or attempt to lecture me or anyone on how to "properly" treat customers...
And if any of you "saw" yourself in any of the examples given in the OP... good... take a look at yourself and consider if you are putting your best foot forward...
As "they" say... honey will get your further than vinegar... a "nice" person in this hobby will end up with more pleasant business relationships... get shown "nicer" material and at a much "nicer" price... and will inevitably have more fun with the hobby...
And if you will note in the OP... a number of those examples led to other collectors being treated unfairly... by not having fair access to the dealer's wares because someone else was "hogging" space or the dealer's attention...
Peace and Happy Holidays to Everyone...
I think you have summarized this entire thread in a single post!
Larry L.