JOSE HERNANDEZ SCAM ARTIST

vintageclassics · December 10, 2009 5:48AM

dose anybody on this board know who this guy is? he ripped off my friend for over 30k with his fake PSA cards. do guys know if the police are on to this guy? has anybodyelse been taken by this guy?

OAKESY25 · December 10, 2009 5:50AM

how do you know that is a real name..

thats like Joe Smith

vintageclassics · December 10, 2009 5:55AM

true but that was the name used to send the money to

okposo21 · December 10, 2009 5:58AM

what was teh scam?

Morgoth · December 10, 2009 5:58AM

Were did the guy live? I am thinking PA or in the Carolinas.

This scam has been going around for a long time, dealers, auctioneers, collectors have all been scammed by fake PSA slabs.

storm888 · December 10, 2009 6:00AM

It's the first name that was used by the NOTORIOUS
Craig'sList Gang.

They have LOTS of names and LOTS of locations.

They work on EBAY and Craig'sList; prolly other venues, too.

They have been in biznez for more than 2-years.

They have been reported to the Feds MANY times; the Feds
are too busy to close the GANG down.

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They should be reported to:

ic3.gov

USPS Postal Inspectors

Local LEOs in the perp's area

Local LEOs in the vic's area

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Too bad there is not a way to get folks to inquire on this
forum BEFORE they spend their money.

Here is just one of MANY threads about the gang.

The Hernandez Gang

Nathaniel1960 · December 10, 2009 6:02AM

Luckily most of my PSA card buys are below $50 and I don't suspect a lot of guys go to the trouble to make fake slabs for them. The most I spent was $120 for a PSA 6 52 Bowman Snider. I might have been scammed on that one, as its got a huge print roller mark on it. How the hell it wasn't PD qualified I don't know.

vintageclassics · December 10, 2009 6:16AM

sounds like i am not the only one taken by this guy. cant belive the police wont do anything about it

lawnmowerman · December 10, 2009 6:27AM

<< sounds like i am not the only one taken by this guy. cant belive the police wont do anything about it >>

I thought you said your friend was ripped off?

lawnmowerman · December 10, 2009 6:34AM

I'm confused. Was it you , your friend or both of you that was ripped off?

goraiders · December 10, 2009 6:35AM

Or was it all 3???

jimq112 · December 10, 2009 6:44AM

Back in October you told us you met him in person and his cards were the real deal. We told you they were craigslist fakes but you knew better. Storm told you right away to go get your money back.

thread from a couple months ago

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 6:44AM

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 6:47AM

Oh yeah I remember know!! This guy was going so far as to vouch for these cards.

Here and over at Net 54.

That is a turn we all never expected. (eyeroll)

Steve

edited to add:

Good memory Jim!

sportscardtheory · December 10, 2009 7:16AM

After reading the other threads that were linked, I am starting to think that maybe the OP is the scammer. He is phishing for info, but not giving any real details. I very well could be wrong... just calling it like a see it.

minnesotahusker · December 10, 2009 7:28AM

I 100% agree with what sportscardtheory said. Something's fishy here.

Allen · December 10, 2009 7:30AM

I think we need to get an IP and ping trace on the OP of this thread.

swartz1 · December 10, 2009 7:36AM

Can you post a pic of the real Ruth you bought for $6800?

Morgoth · December 10, 2009 8:06AM

I am pretty sure this guy is now fishing for information on if anyone has turned them in to the police. I hope some MODS are watching this thread closely.

70chip · December 10, 2009 8:12AM

Com'on man, sumting just ain't rite

nam812 · December 10, 2009 8:23AM

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 8:25AM

I agree it certainly is possible, especially since he told us in October he saw the cards in person IIRC.

Steve

zep33 · December 10, 2009 8:27AM

<< I agree it certainly is possible, especially since he told us in October he saw the cards in person IIRC.

Steve >>

He spent 2 hours with them I think he said

perkdog · December 10, 2009 8:33AM

Im thinking Huge amounts of BS myself, totally agree this guy is fishing for info.

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 8:37AM

<<<<<<<<do guys know if the police are on to this guy? has anybody else been taken by this guy?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

From what I understand the police are going to be busting down this guys door at 4 am

soon. Yes other people have been taken by this scum.

Steve

stevek · December 10, 2009 8:47AM

May wanna contact this guy who got scammed by a Mr. Potter:

George Bailey
320 Sycamore
Bedford Falls, NY

calaban7 · December 10, 2009 8:49AM

<< May wanna contact this guy who got scammed by a Mr. Potter:

George Bailey
320 Sycamore
Bedford Falls, NY >>

perkdog · December 10, 2009 8:49AM

Brick · December 10, 2009 9:24AM

One thing that really irritates me is old man Potter still has the cash.

dzolot · December 10, 2009 9:38AM

My question is what happens to the cards after the buyer realizes they're bogus? Are these cards still in circulation? How many of these bogus cards are out there? That's what really makes me nervous...

storm888 · December 10, 2009 9:46AM

My question is what happens to the cards after the buyer realizes they're bogus?

Some such buyers eat the loss; some resell the cards to unsuspecting collectors.

Are these cards still in circulation?

Yes. See Craig's List, on any day.

How many of these bogus cards are out there?

MANY.

dzolot · December 10, 2009 10:08AM

<< My question is what happens to the cards after the buyer realizes they're bogus?

Some such buyers eat the loss; some resell the cards to unsuspecting collectors.

Are these cards still in circulation?

Yes. See Craig's List, on any day.

How many of these bogus cards are out there?

MANY. >>

anything more specific? What cards are they?

storm888 · December 10, 2009 10:23AM

'...anything more specific? What cards are they?..."

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Some of the cards in the original CL scam.

They were in pristine slabs and had counterfeit flips.
(The cert numbers all matched on the PSA site.)

1933 Goudey Ruth #53 PSA 5

T206 Cobb Re portrait PSA 6

t206 Cobb Bat on PSA 6

1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #92 PSA6

1934 Goudey Gehrig PSA5

1952 Bowman Mantle PSA 6

1954 Aaron PSA 7

1954 Aaron PSA 6

1955 Clemente PSA6

1956 Mantle PSA 7

1951 Bowman Mantle PSA 4

A whole run of various Sports Kings.

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Locations were all over California. (San Ysidro, Escondido, San Jose, and many more.)

NC, SC, NJ. (Others also.)

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Among the Hispanic names used by the sellers:

Contreras

Hernandez

Underwraps · December 10, 2009 10:33AM

If he went to his house to buy the cards why doesnt he go back to get a refund then. Total BS The seller lives in Cliffside Pk NJ

vintageclassics · December 10, 2009 11:00AM

Joe orlando needs to do something about this all the people that got scammed its not good. he company is going to go down hill and he will lose his business

Underwraps · December 10, 2009 11:02AM

you were the one who got scammed.. you where cheering how you made out on the deal and now your crying.. or maybe your the scammer himself. Im closer to you than you think

hammered · December 10, 2009 11:23AM

<< Joe orlando needs to do something about this all the people that got scammed its not good. he company is going to go down hill and he will lose his business >>

Hmmm... not a native English speaker, are you?

storm888 · December 10, 2009 11:43AM

"...Hmmm... not a native English speaker, are you? ..."

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For clarity, there is ZERO proof - as far as I know - that the subject crooks
are ESL folks.

Folks can register on ALL of the selling venues under ANY name they choose.

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Apparently, the OP was registered at N54 under a Hispanic name.

That name was allegedly spelled TWO different ways on the registration.

sportscardtheory · December 10, 2009 11:53AM

<< Joe orlando needs to do something about this all the people that got scammed its not good. >>

This is probably the most honest thing you have ever said.

dzolot · December 10, 2009 12:08PM

<< '...anything more specific? What cards are they?..."

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Some of the cards in the original CL scam.

They were in pristine slabs and had counterfeit flips.
(The cert numbers all matched on the PSA site.)

1933 Goudey Ruth #53 PSA 5

T206 Cobb Re portrait PSA 6

t206 Cobb Bat on PSA 6

1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #92 PSA6

1934 Goudey Gehrig PSA5

1952 Bowman Mantle PSA 6

1954 Aaron PSA 7

1954 Aaron PSA 6

1955 Clemente PSA6

1956 Mantle PSA 7

1951 Bowman Mantle PSA 4

A whole run of various Sports Kings.

.........................

Locations were all over California. (San Ysidro, Escondido, San Jose, and many more.)

NC, SC, NJ. (Others also.)

............................

Among the Hispanic names used by the sellers:

Contreras

Hernandez >>

Thanks for the info., but this is making me sick! How can anyone in the hobby ever spend their hard earned money on a high-end card if there's a chance it might be fake?? Have these cards been identified and taken out of circulation?

I agree that it's up to the people who make their living from the industry (i.e. Orlando) who have to make sure there is a stop to this.

Anyone ever read the book "Billionaires Vinegar?" It's about forgeries in the ultra high-end wine market back in the eighties...

storm888 · December 10, 2009 12:17PM

<< 

<< Joe orlando needs to do something about this all the people that got scammed its not good. >>

This is probably the most honest thing you have ever said. >>

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Since there is NOTHING that PSA can "do" to solve the problem,
buyers need to perform reasonable due diligence before they
buy high-value items from strangers.

The OP, if I recall, claims "20-years experience" buying cards.
He also claimed to have met the seller in person.

NONE of the CL-fakes have been good enough to fool an experienced
person once the cards were examined in hand.

Thus, we might conclude:

The OP is a cohort of the crooks;

OR

He is just a TROLL that dislikes PSA.

storm888 · December 10, 2009 12:24PM

"...I agree that it's up to the people who make their living from the industry (i.e. Orlando) who have to make sure there is a stop to this...."

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There is NO way for PSA to "stop" this.

Buyers need to act responsibly and look out for themselves.

Consumers can also make complaints to the LEOs about the
numerous frauds. If enough folks complain, maybe some
action will eventually be taken.

bigred1 · December 10, 2009 12:25PM

A little strange he has not defended himself on this, gets me wondering.

goraiders · December 10, 2009 12:34PM

I look thru craigslist from time to time,how come we never have
any fake cards selling here,I have some free time right now that I
think I would enjoy meeting up with some scum-bag selling fake slabbed
cards,would be something to keep me busy since we cut grass every other week now.

J.R.

sportscardtheory · December 10, 2009 12:38PM

<< 

<< 

<< Joe orlando needs to do something about this all the people that got scammed its not good. >>

This is probably the most honest thing you have ever said. >>

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Since there is NOTHING that PSA can "do" to solve the problem,
buyers need to perform reasonable due diligence before they
buy high-value items from strangers.

The OP, if I recall, claims "20-years experience" buying cards.
He also claimed to have met the seller in person.

NONE of the CL-fakes have been good enough to fool an experienced
person once the cards were examined in hand.

Thus, we might conclude:

The OP is a cohort of the crooks;

OR

He is just a TROLL that dislikes PSA. >>

Hmmm... I didn't realize that ONLY people that know all the ins and outs of the sportscard field should buy sportscards. Clearly PSA is partly at fault here for not using a slab that can't be tampered with or easily forged. How many of these cards are now in the personal collections of people that aren't "in the know". And you blame them??? What if someone buys one as a gift for their child and puts it away for them. It's not PSA's duty to protect people that are buying THEIR product??? They are buying a "PSA slabbed" card!

csmtampa · December 10, 2009 12:42PM

<< I look thru craigslist from time to time,how come we never have
any fake cards selling here,I have some free time right now that I
think I would enjoy meeting up with some scum-bag selling fake slabbed
cards,would be something to keep me busy since we cut grass every other week now.

J.R. >>

J.R. I would guess that with all the knowledge that is available on this board, the scammers might know to stay away....

OR

Since most were sold on ebay and craiglist, they might not have had the knowledge of various sports card message boards to try and sell the cards.

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 12:54PM

<<<<<<Thanks for the info., but this is making me sick! How can anyone in the hobby ever spend their hard earned money on a high-end card if there's a chance it might be fake??>>>>>>>>

How? How about buying from dealers that are in the business or people that you know?

Except for Msohn and maybe a few others many of the folks that got scammed were probably out trying to get a bargain.

Like this clown who came here touting the guys stuff, claimed he saw it in person, created threads here and at net 54 trying to peddle this guys crap.

IMO and it is only my opinion he possibly was told that if he got the guy some sales he would get a cut.

Now he comes here crying that his 'friend' got ripped off.

he either lied then or is lieing now. Or he lied both times lol

Steve

NickM · December 10, 2009 12:55PM

He waited to attack PSA until several months after the first attempt to promote these cards, so I doubt highly that he's an anti-PSA troll.

I'm sticking with scammer.

Yes, vintageclassics, Joe Orlando should do something about this. When the scammers are physically found, he should show up and give them the Inglourious Basterds treatment. And if that happens, lots of us would be happy to alibi him.

sportscardtheory - that's like blaming Coach or Louis Vuitton for people selling fakes of their handbags.

Nick

sportscardtheory · December 10, 2009 1:02PM

<< 
sportscardtheory - that's like blaming Coach or Louis Vuitton for people selling fakes of their handbags.

Nick >>

I don't see how. PSA can do something about it by creating slabs that can't be tampered with and can't be forged. Not the same in the least.

sportscardtheory · December 10, 2009 1:03PM

<< 

<< 
sportscardtheory - that's like blaming Coach or Louis Vuitton for people selling fakes of their handbags.

Nick >>

I don't see how. PSA can do something about it by creating slabs that can't be tampered with and can't be forged. Not the same in the least. You don't see this happening with BGS/BVG slabs.

storm888 · December 10, 2009 1:07PM

"...Hmmm... I didn't realize that ONLY people that know all the ins and outs of the sportscard field should buy sportscards. Clearly PSA is partly at fault here for not using a slab that can't be tampered with or easily forged. How many of these cards are now in the personal collections of people that aren't "in the know". And you blame them??? What if someone buys one as a gift for their child and puts it away for them. It's not PSA's duty to protect people that are buying THEIR product??? They are buying a "PSA slabbed" card! ..."

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The mfg/vendor - PSA - has no duty to "protect" folks from
buying counterfeit/tampered slabs. They also do not have ANY means
to attempt to thus protect folks beyond those means already employed.

Just like the mfgs of designer-fashion items are NOT liable
when criminals sell counterfeits to the public.

With millions of slabs already in circulation, changing the slabs
now would have little/no impact. (Though I support such a change,
it would NOT reduce the current "risks." Crooks would just continue
to use the old slabs, while they figured out how to defeat the new slabs.)

PSA provides a MASSIVE "library" of info on safe-buying
habits, via this forum. Cheating the readers of this forum
is VERY hard to do.

Any item can be counterfeited. It's a matter for the LEOs
to tackle; if we want to "blame" somebody, we should
blame them.

JOSE HERNANDEZ SCAM ARTIST

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