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Question about Baseball Card Exchange --BBCE

caramelcollectorcaramelcollector Posts: 185
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Do they grade their own packs that they sell?

i see they are asking to buy anything these days...his business seems to be taking off...i was just curious if anyone knew the answer....

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  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    No.

    Steve authenticates the packs as unopened and original. PSA grades them. That's why the flip says "PSA".
  • caramelcollectorcaramelcollector Posts: 185
    but isnt Steve the pack authenticator for PSA?
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>but isnt Steve the pack authenticator for PSA? >>



    As Bill mentioned above, after you send the packs into PSA they send them out to Steve. All Steve does is authenticate that the packs are unopened and original. He then sends them into PSA and they give the pack a grade.
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  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    but if Steve is the authenticator and PSA grades the pack then the turtle that won the race isn't a turtle at all is he....???
  • burke23burke23 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    Yeah - I don't see a problem unless Steve regularly submits and validates his own material...I trust him of course, but that would be an obvious area for concern for any outsider that should be avoided.
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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>but if Steve is the authenticator and PSA grades the pack then the turtle that won the race isn't a turtle at all is he....??? >>



    Some people may say he is disguised as the Hare but I have no problem with it. Sure, games can be played, but I think you need to trust Steve as an honest dealer. If you do, then there is no problem. If you don't, then there are probably not too many people in our hobby that you do trust.

    (OAK, the "you" in my above comments is a GENERAL "you" and not directed at The OakMan. It was just a response to your comments.)
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  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    my comment is supposed to be random and funny.. not an actual comment at all really.. haha

    guess I may have walked to close to the line on that one... may have seemed that it was real..
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>my comment is supposed to be random and funny.. not an actual comment at all really.. haha
    guess I may have walked to close to the line on that one... may have seemed that it was real.. >>



    Sorry Mr. Clemente! Thought you were serious ... it was a good comment anyway, because I am sure there are others that were thinking what you wrote in jest.
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  • burke23burke23 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    I trust Steve just fine (like most everyone else here)...but him submitting and reviewing his own submissions would be little different than Joe O reviewing his own card submission. For appearance sake, it would be a situation best avoided by PSA.
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  • caramelcollectorcaramelcollector Posts: 185


    << <i>

    << <i>but isnt Steve the pack authenticator for PSA? >>



    As Bill mentioned above, after you send the packs into PSA they send them out to Steve. All Steve does is authenticate that the packs are unopened and original. He then sends them into PSA and they give the pack a grade. >>



    so steve authenticates it and PSA grades it? i see said the blind man

    does steve technically work for PSA then?
  • fattymacsfattymacs Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭
    I would guess he is considered an independent contractor/consultant.
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Steve authenticates the packs as unopened and original. PSA grades them. That's why the flip says "PSA".
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Steve authenticates the packs as unopened and original. PSA grades them. That's why the flip says "PSA".
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Steve authenticates the packs as unopened and original. PSA grades them. That's why the flip says "PSA".
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Hi Brian!
  • caramelcollectorcaramelcollector Posts: 185


    << <i>Steve authenticates the packs as unopened and original. PSA grades them. That's why the flip says "PSA". >>



    no kidding the flip says PSA...i wasnt assuming it said BBCE

    i was just asking if he graded his own stuff...maybe i should ask if he AUTHENTICATES his own stuff...
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Nice PM carameldude.

    Don't think I don't know who you are.
  • bbcemporiumbbcemporium Posts: 684 ✭✭✭
    For someone who is not familiar with Steve and BBC Exchange, I can sympathize with their concern on how the setup appears and the potential it has to be abused. However, PSA slabbed packs are ripped on a regular basis, and I personally have yet to hear of one of these packs being accused of resealed or full of off-grade commons. Think of the consequences for Steve if PSA slabbed packs frequently began showing up as resealed? Not only would Steve's job/agreement with PSA be in jeopardy, but questions would also arise to the authenticity of his own product. It is in Steve's and BBC Exchange's best interest to only authenticate legit packs for PSA.
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  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭
    I think Steve authenticates the packs as unopened and original. PSA grades them. That's why the flip says "PSA".
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  • TreetopTreetop Posts: 1,474 ✭
    I know Steve authenticates the packs as unopened and original. PSA grades them. That's why the flip doesn't says "Baseball card Exchange".
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  • caramelcollectorcaramelcollector Posts: 185


    << <i>For someone who is not familiar with Steve and BBC Exchange, I can sympathize with their concern on how the setup appears and the potential it has to be abused. However, PSA slabbed packs are ripped on a regular basis, and I personally have yet to hear of one of these packs being accused of resealed or full of off-grade commons. Think of the consequences for Steve if PSA slabbed packs frequently began showing up as resealed? Not only would Steve's job/agreement with PSA be in jeopardy, but questions would also arise to the authenticity of his own product. It is in Steve's and BBC Exchange's best interest to only authenticate legit packs for PSA. >>



    now that makes sense
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭

    i was just asking if he graded his own stuff...maybe i should ask if he AUTHENTICATES his own stuff...





    Here is a novel idea, instead of asking people here why not get off the computer for a moment and'

    call Steve on the phone and ask him?

    Then report back here and let us know what he said.


    Or you could simply do a search and read the thread that I believe created when he was ASKED to authenticate for PSA.

    Steve

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  • SOMSOM Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
    Man alive.

    Anyone selling large quantities of sedatives could make a fortune off of this Board.
  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020


    << <i>Man alive.

    Anyone selling large quantities of sedatives could make a fortune off of this Board. >>



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    Buying sedatives, mbx quality and quantity, and if they are authenticated or raw?

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  • SOMSOM Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
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  • goyegoye Posts: 454 ✭✭
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  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭
    I'm confused. What is Steve's part in the process?
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>Man alive.

    Anyone selling large quantities of sedatives could make a fortune off of this Board. >>



    You are seeing a living experiment in what happens when people don't have jobs that interest them.
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You are seeing a living experiment in what happens when people don't have jobs that interest them. >>



    Amen to that!
  • TheTalkingWalnutTheTalkingWalnut Posts: 444
    F the packs and F the cards; let's talk about sedatives!!!
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭


    << <i>F the packs and F the cards; let's talk about sedatives!!! >>



    Ok, Does Steve Authenticate sedatives ?
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  • TheVonTheVon Posts: 2,725 ✭
    So what happens with PSA pack grading when Steve decides to retire?
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So what happens with PSA pack grading when Steve decides to retire? >>



    Joe O. starts taking sedatives.
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  • daneybdaneyb Posts: 75
    First off I think everyone including me buys stuff from Steve knowing they are getting legit products (I have a box on they way as we speak), with no concerns. However PSA is a company that is dealing in a lot of revenue and although everyone trust Steve competely he should probably have someone else grade his "unopened" material. That is a conflict of interest.
  • leftofdialleftofdial Posts: 444 ✭✭
    Steve is one of the top most experts in the business. And one of the most reputable people in any business I've ever seen. BBCemporium has stated it best that there really is not profit motive for him to ever tarnish his reputation for a few quick bucks. Reputation was built over many years and many dealings. It could be shattered with one wrong move. So neither he nor PSA stands to gain , only lose by doing anything like that. His part is only specifying whether the pack is legit or not, and surely he has a very good idea of what his submitted packs would grade, but he doesn't assign the numerical grade. So if one of the biggest and most reputable grading companies trusts his yes or no opinion, why not trust it even for his own personal gradings. Plus, Steve stands by his sales even when he is not required to , and he would probably feel horrible if a mistake was ever made and fix it anyway. That's my take on it.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭


    << <i>First off I think everyone including me buys stuff from Steve knowing they are getting legit products (I have a box on they way as we speak), with no concerns. However PSA is a company that is dealing in a lot of revenue and although everyone trust Steve competely he should probably have someone else grade his "unopened" material. That is a conflict of interest. >>



    I agree it is a sticky subject, but who are you going to get to authenticate packs, The guy working at Home Depot ?
    Seriously, If someone is going to know what to look for on un-opened material they will have to delve into it in some manner. i.e. collector,seller of some kind. There is no-one that knows un-opened product better than Steve at the moment, So unless he teaches someone at a grading company what to look for who has no interest at all in un-opened material, It is what it is, and you are going to have to trust the guys doing it.
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    Steve authenticates the packs as unopened and original. PSA grades them. That's why the flip says "PSA".
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Which one is Steve again?
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  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Which one is Steve again? >>



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  • jivanjivan Posts: 1,009 ✭
    Funny that you mention steve at bbce has a great reputation and would not tarnish it to make a few bucks... never dealt with him so i do not know... Bernard Madoff and others like him had great reputations and why would they tarnish theirs for a few bucks??? jess sayin
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    moron...
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    By the way, which one's Pink?
  • VintageCardLoverVintageCardLover Posts: 584 ✭
    some funny posts and some truly moronic ones.

    madoff? really? into the corner you jive turkey.
  • jivanjivan Posts: 1,009 ✭


    << <i>moron... >>

    jeff, why did my comment bother you so much ?????
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    Let's see... you said "never dealt with him so i do not know...", then you proceed to compare him to Bernard Madoff. How much sense does that make?
  • TheTalkingWalnutTheTalkingWalnut Posts: 444
    FWIW, I've been on all sides of this over the past 15 years. Sure, there is always a chance for either impropriety or the appearance of it anytime you have someone wearing more than one hat, even if they disclose their ass off and even if they're honest. I call it the Midas Muffler Fallacy whenever someone who stands to gain directly or indirectly is also the one assigning value....

    Bottom line to me are the facts. I'm a small timer when it comes to ripping vintage stuff but everything I've bought from BBCE has passed my test as being reasonably close to what I expected. I got a Steve Largent PSA 7 from the 77FB vending box rip and I'll have to look and see what stars I got from the 2 76 FB cello packs I bought earlier this year. I'd get up but I have a cat on my lap and he says I can't get up right now.
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>Let's see... you said "never dealt with him so i do not know...", then you proceed to compare him to Bernard Madoff. How much sense does that make? >>



    All he's saying is that guys who are considered trustworthy can go bad, and in some cases very quickly. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
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