<< <i>There was another 1877 S trade dollar AU 58 which ended earlier that I did pass on because I wanted this coin more. If this auction was not there, it would have changed my bidding onto the other coin. >>
And that's where the harm does come into play. No, it's not quantifiable, but people need to realize that pulling the rug out from buyers DOES have ramifications to them.
<< <i>There was another 1877 S trade dollar AU 58 which ended earlier that I did pass on because I wanted this coin more. If this auction was not there, it would have changed my bidding onto the other coin. >>
And that's where the harm does come into play. No, it's not quantifiable, but people need to realize that pulling the rug out from buyers DOES have ramifications to them. >>
It also could effect what the seller of the other coin would have received because the OP was not active on that item.
It's not often that the OP gets to be #100 on his own thread.
The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer.
It's a sorry situation. I feel bad for the auction winner for wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item.
I also feel sorry for Steve the nonseller knowing he, as a religious person and the lessons learned while going to church, he most likely must be in serious financial difficulty to have had to put such a small price tag on his ethical character, business obligation and moral responsibility. But desperate times do sometimes call for desperate measures. Hopefully, his situation will soon improve. If it were me, I would not neg him.
<< <i>I also feel sorry for Steve the nonseller knowing he, as a religious person and the lessons learned while going to church, he most likely must be in serious financial difficulty to have had to put such a small price tag on his ethical character, business obligation and moral responsibility. >>
He made a mistake based on not knowing that he couldn't cancel something in the last 12 hours. He's apologized and presumably, he'd do things differently next time.
It was presumably an honest mistake compounded most likely by eBay's down time.
I hardly consider that a selling-out of one's ethical character or an attempt to deceive, defraud or bait-and-switch.
<< <i>The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer.
It's a sorry situation. I feel bad for the auction winner for wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item.
I also feel sorry for Steve the nonseller knowing he, as a religious person and the lessons learned while going to church, he most likely must be in serious financial difficulty to have had to put such a small price tag on his ethical character, business obligation and moral responsibility. But desperate times do sometimes call for desperate measures. Hopefully, his situation will soon improve. If it were me, I would not neg him. >>
One think I know I don't support in this thread is the quikness to judge the OP. I suggest this poster reconsider the way his religion would view his post. --Jerry
If you discover you can't cancel all the bids and end the auction, just send an eBay Message to the bidder(s) *before* the auction ends explaining the situation, In other words, be proactive in communicating that the merchandise had been sold. I think one of the contributing factors to this mess is that it came as a surprise to the winning bidder after the fact. I think if this had been done, the original post would never have been made...
I agree with this...IF it can be done. As I understand the facts of this case, however, the winning bid was a snipe...therefore the seller had no opportunity to proactively advise the winning bidder of the coins unavailability...OTHER than to post an update to the auction...which he had done while the auction was still active. Unfortunately, the winning bidder was not around to see the updated posts and therefore had no idea the coin was gone before his successful snipe was launched.
I've read the OP's follow up post and applaud him on what to seems to be a very thoughtful and rational decision to this unfortunate scenario. I would only conclude that IMO the OP should not feel bad or regret bringing this issue up for discussion. Personally as someone who both buys and sells on EBAY, I've found the diversity of opinions to be very educational.
Edited to add: I do understand the point in the follow up posts that there is some 'harm' or 'damage' sustained by the OP by ending the auction early. In this case he declined to bid on another available coin, preferring to target this one. I hope I didn't say that cancelling the auction had 'no consequences' to the OP. The more limited point I tried to make was that there was no money lost in this cause. The inability to bid on another coin is just another example of the 'opportunity lost' by winning bidder. He is not out any money in this case. That's not a subtle distinction I'm trying to make. Anybody who has been financially ripped off in an EBAY transaction will have no problem understanding my point.
<< <i>I feel bad for the auction winner for wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item. >>
Yes, and if the auction had run to conclusion with no issues, he could have still been outbid in the last second, wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item, too. Seems like a lot of drama for such a minor issue, but then, that's just me.
I don't really know much about trade dollars- how hard is it to find comparable items for sale?
I probably should have asked how hard they are to find at current market values? I mean- is it going to take months of searching to find another one like that, or are similar items listed weekly?
<< <i>The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer.
It's a sorry situation. I feel bad for the auction winner for wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item.
I also feel sorry for Steve the nonseller knowing he, as a religious person and the lessons learned while going to church, he most likely must be in serious financial difficulty to have had to put such a small price tag on his ethical character, business obligation and moral responsibility. But desperate times do sometimes call for desperate measures. Hopefully, his situation will soon improve. If it were me, I would not neg him. >>
<< <i>Edited to add: O.K. I've finished and I see nothing to change my initial reaction. I don't fault the OP for bringing this to forum, but I think the reaction (over reaction IMO) has been more extreme than called for by the facts. I think it's important to keep in mind that NOBODY LOST MONEY on this deal...or non deal. ALL THAT WAS LOST WAS OPPORTUNITY...not money. It amazes me that some folks don't draw that distinction. It's the same point I made to the guy who lamented that he had bought a bunch of $10 2008-W AGE's and sold them for a big profit...only to see the prices go up more. He thought he was a 'dummy'. Wrong IMO! All he lost was opportunity...he actually made money on his sales and quite a bit of it. Oh well...that's enough of a rant.
Sure no actual money was lost - but time was. Time spent evaluating the coin, time spent doing due diligence checking out whether the seller is an A$$n and market value of coin, and time spent setting the snipe bid. >>
You cannot be serious!
Folks browse eBay at their leisure because they choose to, not because they HAVE to.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Edited to add: O.K. I've finished and I see nothing to change my initial reaction. I don't fault the OP for bringing this to forum, but I think the reaction (over reaction IMO) has been more extreme than called for by the facts. I think it's important to keep in mind that NOBODY LOST MONEY on this deal...or non deal. ALL THAT WAS LOST WAS OPPORTUNITY...not money. It amazes me that some folks don't draw that distinction. It's the same point I made to the guy who lamented that he had bought a bunch of $10 2008-W AGE's and sold them for a big profit...only to see the prices go up more. He thought he was a 'dummy'. Wrong IMO! All he lost was opportunity...he actually made money on his sales and quite a bit of it. Oh well...that's enough of a rant.
Sure no actual money was lost - but time was. Time spent evaluating the coin, time spent doing due diligence checking out whether the seller is an A$$n and market value of coin, and time spent setting the snipe bid. >>
You cannot be serious!
Folks browse eBay at their leisure because they choose to, not because they HAVE to.
>>
I spent five hours of my life last night researching a coin on Teletrade. I lost out in the final seconds because the system was slow. I missed my dinner and a good radio show. I think I will neg. Teletrade now.
Ebay threads tend to morph into a Jerry Springer coin forum episode very quickly........MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Folks browse eBay at their leisure because they choose to, not because they HAVE to.
>>
That is kind of funny.
Anytime sellers attempt to justify their shipping charges by explaining the time involved in packing/shipping, bidders (some, anyway) are outraged at the thought that those demands on a seller's time should matter (cost of doing business, don'tcha know?). Yet here we are, watching someone get criticized because a potential buyer might have used up some of his time in bidding on an auction.
<< <i>...I don't really know much about trade dollars- how hard is it to find comparable items for sale? >>
At that price, extremely >>
I don't think most readers realize that the price came in extremely low because the seller was cancelling bids to try to keep it from selling after the outage kept him from ending it normally. The sale price would not have been so low otherwise. --Jerry
I probably should have asked how hard they are to find at current market values? I mean- is it going to take months of searching to find another one like that, or are similar items listed weekly? >>
It looked pretty nice, but there are others to be found. That said, I don't know about the specific preferences (such as the grading company and/or the type of appearance for the coin) of the bidder.
<< <i>I have 5 sets of 2008-W 4 pc gold sets. I plan to list one on ebay tonight after golf. I plan to offer a couple elsewhere. If a guys says "I'd like as many sets as you can supply at that price" should I tell him he has to go to ebay and buy the last one? I say not. >>
I agree. But I would cancel those auctions before I committed all of the sets to him. That way you can't get stuck with two buyers for one item and someone pretty irked. Lance.
Edited to add: I just took a long look at Grove Coins and they appear to be a reputable firm with many PCGS and NGC coins for sale. Their prices are just over PCGS price guide but seem fair. In business since 1962 according to their site info. Either 5 or 7 day return privilege, I don't recall which. Members of national organizations. I'd be willing to try them and may do so in the future.
JT
It is health that is real wealth, not pieces of gold and silver. Gandhi.
I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
All this silliness and drama could have been avoided very easily. (Forgive me if any of this is redundant but I didn't have time to wade through the 7 pages of back-and-forth dialogue...) All the seller needed to do was list the item with a reserve equal to what he was asking on BST (or whatever number he could have lived with), or alternatively, listed as a fixed price listing. Either way no buyers' feathers are ruffled and any "offer" made outside of ebay could have been directed to the auction and completed there. You'd still pay some ebay fees, but you knew that going in when you decided to list it there.
As to the buyer, I understand the frustration...but that said, you aren't out anything except a bit of your time, plus this is a common enough item that you should find another without a lot of effort. I'd put this in the rear view, and just not do business with that seller again. (As others have noted, I too find it somewhat amusing to see a buyer complaining about having HIS time wasted...)
As to the seller...according to your profile you've been a member on ebay for 3 years; in my opinion, that is more than enough time to familiarize oneself with the basic rules of selling, timeframes, etc. and recommend doing so before listing again. As to the offer you couldn't pass up... There's nothing wrong with taking the proverbial "bird in the hand", but in this case, since you had an auction going the proper and fair thing to do was to inform the "offerer" that you had it listed on ebay, and that unless you could successfully end the auction, that he/she would have to place a bid. JMHO
Just read this thread the first time since last night and I am amazed at how popular it became. I would like to clear up a few things. First of all I understand why Robert is upset. I had the same happen to me and I was upset also. Those that have researched my ebay history will notice that I have not sold any coins in about three years until last month. I was under the impression that one could end an auction early - even with less than 12 hours to go by canceling all bids first. That is why I did not put more effort into canceling when the listing still had about 18 hours to go. I simply was not concerned about a 12 hour limit. That is my lesson learned.
There is absolutely no way I could have contacted all the bidders that had snipes set. I could not know who they were until the last few seconds. I had five different "cancel the bid pages" open at the same time and the closer it got to ending time the faster the bids came in - there was absolutely no way to keep up. I was hoping that anyone with snipes set would look at the .99 high bid and realize something was wrong. Then maybe scroll down to the question section and read about what was happening.
Another point -I did not have the coin listed on the BST and ebay at the same time. The BST listing was deleted on November 8 - all pictures removed and all text deleted. The coin was not listed on ebay until November 15. (I'm sure someone will check out the dates)
Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
<< <i>Those that have researched my ebay history will notice that I have not sold any coins in about three years until last month. I was under the impression that one could end an auction early - even with less than 12 hours to go by canceling all bids first. That is why I did not put more effort into canceling when the listing still had about 18 hours to go. I simply was not concerned about a 12 hour limit. >>
Not to worry. I doubt most people who sell on eBay (even those who sell all the time) are up-to-date on all of eBay's rules and policies. Not even buyers (hard as that may be to believe ). The rules change so often it's not reasonable to expect *anybody* to know them all, let alone an infrequent seller.
And now, for some anecdotal evidence to prove my point: I have been selling on eBay fairly consistently for a number of years, and went to make a NPB claim to get my fees back for two auctions from last month where the buyers didn't respond or pay. Auction ended 10/19- no problem, right? Wrong! Too late! Used to be, you had 45 days to file, but now, it's 32. Who knew? I sure didn't, and eBay never bothered to tell me.
So- to give someone who hasn't sold in three years a hard time for not knowing how things work on eBay *today* is a bit much, IMO.
It seem like both the OP and Steve are really nices guys. This thread is long in the tooth.....MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Maybe next time you could put a disclosure in your listing stating the coin is for sale on other venues and you have the right to cancel the auction if the coin sells...
Then maybe you could honor the people that have placed bids on your auction by telling the person that contacted you via PM that you have listed the coin on Ebay and that they are free to bid on it there..
Maybe you could have edited your BST listing to state that the coin was moved to ebay and include a link..
I think it is important to keep in mind that everyone on this forum is expected to be absoloutely perfect in every one of their dealings...
The OP should hire a top notch attorney and sue the pants off of everyone involved...
The seller should be banned from ebay, the BST, the ANA and the PNG...and the Boy Scouts, as well...
Barbara Walters and 60 Minutes should do interviews and special investigations into this matter and all related matters on ebay and other venues...
Geraldo Rivera and Jerry Springer should then get involved with a special showdown match between all parties...
Then the UN should get involved and write up special guidelines for future situations such as this...
A book should be written on all of this and then Oprah should have special interviews with all parties involved with this absolute earth shattering experience...
Or maybe we can all just put this little unfortunate snafu to rest and move on with our busy little lives...
Good Night everyone... and happy coin dreams to one and all...
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Comments
<< <i>Wow, just Wow!!
All this pissing and moaning about not getting a coin. >>
And then there's pissing and moaning about others pissing and moaning.
<< <i>There was another 1877 S trade dollar AU 58 which ended earlier that I did pass on because I wanted this coin more. If this auction was not there, it would have changed my bidding onto the other coin. >>
And that's where the harm does come into play. No, it's not quantifiable, but people need to realize that pulling the rug out from buyers DOES have ramifications to them.
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<< <i>There was another 1877 S trade dollar AU 58 which ended earlier that I did pass on because I wanted this coin more. If this auction was not there, it would have changed my bidding onto the other coin. >>
And that's where the harm does come into play. No, it's not quantifiable, but people need to realize that pulling the rug out from buyers DOES have ramifications to them. >>
It also could effect what the seller of the other coin would have received because the OP was not active on that item.
It's not often that the OP gets to be #100 on his own thread.
It's a sorry situation.
I feel bad for the auction winner for wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item.
I also feel sorry for Steve the nonseller knowing he, as a religious person and the lessons learned while going to church, he most likely must be in serious financial difficulty to have had to put such a small price tag on his ethical character, business obligation and moral responsibility.
But desperate times do sometimes call for desperate measures.
Hopefully, his situation will soon improve.
If it were me, I would not neg him.
<< <i>I also feel sorry for Steve the nonseller knowing he, as a religious person and the lessons learned while going to church, he most likely must be in serious financial difficulty to have had to put such a small price tag on his ethical character, business obligation and moral responsibility. >>
He made a mistake based on not knowing that he couldn't cancel something in the last 12 hours. He's apologized and presumably, he'd do things differently next time.
It was presumably an honest mistake compounded most likely by eBay's down time.
I hardly consider that a selling-out of one's ethical character or an attempt to deceive, defraud or bait-and-switch.
<< <i>The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer.
It's a sorry situation.
I feel bad for the auction winner for wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item.
I also feel sorry for Steve the nonseller knowing he, as a religious person and the lessons learned while going to church, he most likely must be in serious financial difficulty to have had to put such a small price tag on his ethical character, business obligation and moral responsibility.
But desperate times do sometimes call for desperate measures.
Hopefully, his situation will soon improve.
If it were me, I would not neg him. >>
One think I know I don't support in this thread is the quikness to judge the OP. I suggest this poster reconsider the way his religion would view his post. --Jerry
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<< <i>Wow, just Wow!!
All this pissing and moaning about not getting a coin. >>
And then there's pissing and moaning about others pissing and moaning.
That too!
I agree with this...IF it can be done. As I understand the facts of this case, however, the winning bid was a snipe...therefore the seller had no opportunity to proactively advise the winning bidder of the coins unavailability...OTHER than to post an update to the auction...which he had done while the auction was still active. Unfortunately, the winning bidder was not around to see the updated posts and therefore had no idea the coin was gone before his successful snipe was launched.
I've read the OP's follow up post and applaud him on what to seems to be a very thoughtful and rational decision to this unfortunate scenario. I would only conclude that IMO the OP should not feel bad or regret bringing this issue up for discussion. Personally as someone who both buys and sells on EBAY, I've found the diversity of opinions to be very educational.
Edited to add: I do understand the point in the follow up posts that there is some 'harm' or 'damage' sustained by the OP by ending the auction early. In this case he declined to bid on another available coin, preferring to target this one. I hope I didn't say that cancelling the auction had 'no consequences' to the OP. The more limited point I tried to make was that there was no money lost in this cause. The inability to bid on another coin is just another example of the 'opportunity lost' by winning bidder. He is not out any money in this case. That's not a subtle distinction I'm trying to make. Anybody who has been financially ripped off in an EBAY transaction will have no problem understanding my point.
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<< <i>I feel bad for the auction winner for wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item. >>
Yes, and if the auction had run to conclusion with no issues, he could have still been outbid in the last second, wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item, too. Seems like a lot of drama for such a minor issue, but then, that's just me.
I don't really know much about trade dollars- how hard is it to find comparable items for sale?
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<< <i>Wow, just Wow!!
All this pissing and moaning about not getting a coin. >>
And then there's pissing and moaning about others pissing and moaning.
Pissing and moaning? Might be VD!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>...I don't really know much about trade dollars- how hard is it to find comparable items for sale? >>
At that price, extremely
<< <i>Wow, just Wow!!
All this pissing and moaning about not getting a coin.
There are millions of people laid off from their jobs and unable to find another one. Many are having problems trying to even keep their homes.
Get over it!! >>
Monday morning and here we are.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>At that price, extremely
Ok- I guess I set myself up for that.
I probably should have asked how hard they are to find at current market values? I mean- is it going to take months of searching to find another one like that, or are similar items listed weekly?
<< <i>neg the seller
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He couldn't do this even if he wanted to. Unless I missed something, there was no transaction.
<< <i>The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer.
It's a sorry situation.
I feel bad for the auction winner for wasting a whole week of his time which could have been put towards looking for and bidding on another item.
I also feel sorry for Steve the nonseller knowing he, as a religious person and the lessons learned while going to church, he most likely must be in serious financial difficulty to have had to put such a small price tag on his ethical character, business obligation and moral responsibility.
But desperate times do sometimes call for desperate measures.
Hopefully, his situation will soon improve.
If it were me, I would not neg him. >>
That's funny!
<< <i>Edited to add: O.K. I've finished and I see nothing to change my initial reaction. I don't fault the OP for bringing this to forum, but I think the reaction (over reaction IMO) has been more extreme than called for by the facts. I think it's important to keep in mind that NOBODY LOST MONEY on this deal...or non deal. ALL THAT WAS LOST WAS OPPORTUNITY...not money. It amazes me that some folks don't draw that distinction. It's the same point I made to the guy who lamented that he had bought a bunch of $10 2008-W AGE's and sold them for a big profit...only to see the prices go up more. He thought he was a 'dummy'. Wrong IMO! All he lost was opportunity...he actually made money on his sales and quite a bit of it. Oh well...that's enough of a rant.
Sure no actual money was lost - but time was. Time spent evaluating the coin, time spent doing due diligence checking out whether the seller is an A$$n and market value of coin, and time spent setting the snipe bid. >>
You cannot be serious!
Folks browse eBay at their leisure because they choose to, not because they HAVE to.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>Edited to add: O.K. I've finished and I see nothing to change my initial reaction. I don't fault the OP for bringing this to forum, but I think the reaction (over reaction IMO) has been more extreme than called for by the facts. I think it's important to keep in mind that NOBODY LOST MONEY on this deal...or non deal. ALL THAT WAS LOST WAS OPPORTUNITY...not money. It amazes me that some folks don't draw that distinction. It's the same point I made to the guy who lamented that he had bought a bunch of $10 2008-W AGE's and sold them for a big profit...only to see the prices go up more. He thought he was a 'dummy'. Wrong IMO! All he lost was opportunity...he actually made money on his sales and quite a bit of it. Oh well...that's enough of a rant.
Sure no actual money was lost - but time was. Time spent evaluating the coin, time spent doing due diligence checking out whether the seller is an A$$n and market value of coin, and time spent setting the snipe bid. >>
You cannot be serious!
Folks browse eBay at their leisure because they choose to, not because they HAVE to.
I spent five hours of my life last night researching a coin on Teletrade. I lost out in the final seconds because the system was slow. I missed my dinner and a good radio show. I think I will neg. Teletrade now.
TRUTH
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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You cannot be serious!
Folks browse eBay at their leisure because they choose to, not because they HAVE to.
That is kind of funny.
Anytime sellers attempt to justify their shipping charges by explaining the time involved in packing/shipping, bidders (some, anyway) are outraged at the thought that those demands on a seller's time should matter (cost of doing business, don'tcha know?). Yet here we are, watching someone get criticized because a potential buyer might have used up some of his time in bidding on an auction.
<< <i>
<< <i>...I don't really know much about trade dollars- how hard is it to find comparable items for sale? >>
At that price, extremely
I don't think most readers realize that the price came in extremely low because the seller was cancelling bids to try to keep it from selling after the outage kept him from ending it normally. The sale price would not have been so low otherwise. --Jerry
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<< <i>At that price, extremely
Ok- I guess I set myself up for that.
I probably should have asked how hard they are to find at current market values? I mean- is it going to take months of searching to find another one like that, or are similar items listed weekly? >>
It looked pretty nice, but there are others to be found. That said, I don't know about the specific preferences (such as the grading company and/or the type of appearance for the coin) of the bidder.
<< <i>I have 5 sets of 2008-W 4 pc gold sets. I plan to list one on ebay tonight after golf. I plan to offer a couple elsewhere. If a guys says "I'd like as many sets as you can supply at that price" should I tell him he has to go to ebay and buy the last one? I say not. >>
I agree. But I would cancel those auctions before I committed all of the sets to him. That way you can't get stuck with two buyers for one item and someone pretty irked.
Lance.
It took me 30 seconds to find an 1877-S trade dollar using google. AU58/$500. AU59+/$750.
It is in a TPG slab whose emblem I didn't recognize but maybe you will.
Maybe this is the answer to your problem. You never know.
The URL is;
http://grovecoin.com/denom_data.php?denomid=28
JT
Edited to add: I just took a long look at Grove Coins and they appear to be a reputable firm with many
PCGS and NGC coins for sale. Their prices are just over PCGS price guide but seem fair.
In business since 1962 according to their site info. Either 5 or 7 day return privilege, I don't recall which.
Members of national organizations. I'd be willing to try them and may do so in the future.
JT
I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
<< <i>If eBay can't run its site properly the sellers are under no obligation to complete the sales. The sellers are not running charities. >>
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
All the seller needed to do was list the item with a reserve equal to what he was asking on BST (or whatever number he could have lived with), or alternatively, listed as a fixed price listing. Either way no buyers' feathers are ruffled and any "offer" made outside of ebay could have been directed to the auction and completed there. You'd still pay some ebay fees, but you knew that going in when you decided to list it there.
As to the buyer, I understand the frustration...but that said, you aren't out anything except a bit of your time, plus this is a common enough item that you should find another without a lot of effort. I'd put this in the rear view, and just not do business with that seller again. (As others have noted, I too find it somewhat amusing to see a buyer complaining about having HIS time wasted...)
As to the seller...according to your profile you've been a member on ebay for 3 years; in my opinion, that is more than enough time to familiarize oneself with the basic rules of selling, timeframes, etc. and recommend doing so before listing again. As to the offer you couldn't pass up... There's nothing wrong with taking the proverbial "bird in the hand", but in this case, since you had an auction going the proper and fair thing to do was to inform the "offerer" that you had it listed on ebay, and that unless you could successfully end the auction, that he/she would have to place a bid. JMHO
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
There is absolutely no way I could have contacted all the bidders that had snipes set. I could not know who they were until the last few seconds. I had five different "cancel the bid pages" open at the same time and the closer it got to ending time the faster the bids came in - there was absolutely no way to keep up. I was hoping that anyone with snipes set would look at the .99 high bid and realize something was wrong. Then maybe scroll down to the question section and read about what was happening.
Another point -I did not have the coin listed on the BST and ebay at the same time. The BST listing was deleted on November 8 - all pictures removed and all text deleted. The coin was not listed on ebay until November 15. (I'm sure someone will check out the dates)
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working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
<< <i>Those that have researched my ebay history will notice that I have not sold any coins in about three years until last month. I was under the impression that one could end an auction early - even with less than 12 hours to go by canceling all bids first. That is why I did not put more effort into canceling when the listing still had about 18 hours to go. I simply was not concerned about a 12 hour limit. >>
Not to worry. I doubt most people who sell on eBay (even those who sell all the time) are up-to-date on all of eBay's rules and policies. Not even buyers (hard as that may be to believe
And now, for some anecdotal evidence to prove my point: I have been selling on eBay fairly consistently for a number of years, and went to make a NPB claim to get my fees back for two auctions from last month where the buyers didn't respond or pay. Auction ended 10/19- no problem, right? Wrong! Too late! Used to be, you had 45 days to file, but now, it's 32. Who knew? I sure didn't, and eBay never bothered to tell me.
So- to give someone who hasn't sold in three years a hard time for not knowing how things work on eBay *today* is a bit much, IMO.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
have the right to cancel the auction if the coin sells...
Then maybe you could honor the people that have placed bids on your auction by telling the person that
contacted you via PM that you have listed the coin on Ebay and that they are free to bid on it there..
Maybe you could have edited your BST listing to state that the coin was moved to ebay and include a link..
The OP should hire a top notch attorney and sue the pants off of everyone involved...
The seller should be banned from ebay, the BST, the ANA and the PNG...and the Boy Scouts, as well...
Barbara Walters and 60 Minutes should do interviews and special investigations into this matter and all related matters on ebay and other venues...
Geraldo Rivera and Jerry Springer should then get involved with a special showdown match between all parties...
Then the UN should get involved and write up special guidelines for future situations such as this...
A book should be written on all of this and then Oprah should have special interviews with all parties involved with this absolute earth shattering experience...
Or maybe we can all just put this little unfortunate snafu to rest and move on with our busy little lives...
Good Night everyone... and happy coin dreams to one and all...
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