From great deal to NO DEAL!!
holeinone1972
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Well as most of you know I collect AU 58's for my super slider collection. So I was looking at a 1877 S Trade Dollar here on our very own b/s/t. I just could not pull the trigger.
A few days later I saw it was off the b/s/t and I contacted the seller. They told me it was on ebay so I put it on my watch list. I then figured that I was not going to be home at the end of the auction, so I needed a sniper program. I went to EZ Sniper. I logged in and got an acct setup, put in a max bid and went out with the family. Came home and found that EZ Sniper worked and I got the coin for way less than my max bid. I did the happy dance.
A short while later I got the email from a member here, the seller who said sorry the coin was sold yesterday, and I would not be receiving the coin. I am not sure how a coin gets sold when it is alreadt listed.
Poor form I say!
So I went from a great deal, to NO DEAL at all.
I guess not everyone here really means $.99 cent no reserve auction even if they list it that way. I am sad to see a member here with such behavior.
O well at least EZSniper program worked well for me.
Rob
A few days later I saw it was off the b/s/t and I contacted the seller. They told me it was on ebay so I put it on my watch list. I then figured that I was not going to be home at the end of the auction, so I needed a sniper program. I went to EZ Sniper. I logged in and got an acct setup, put in a max bid and went out with the family. Came home and found that EZ Sniper worked and I got the coin for way less than my max bid. I did the happy dance.
A short while later I got the email from a member here, the seller who said sorry the coin was sold yesterday, and I would not be receiving the coin. I am not sure how a coin gets sold when it is alreadt listed.
Poor form I say!
So I went from a great deal, to NO DEAL at all.
I guess not everyone here really means $.99 cent no reserve auction even if they list it that way. I am sad to see a member here with such behavior.
O well at least EZSniper program worked well for me.
Rob
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RANT: There's nothing more annoying than sellers renegging on completed sales.
If you plays the game, you takes yer chances. There is risk inherent in no-reserve auctions. If you're going to go that route, at least honor your commitments.
If you have an AUCTION underway, you should not be selling the coin elsewhere.
END RANT.
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"If you didn't like the coin well enough to have pulled the trigger as soon as you saw it on the BST, then you probably would not have liked it well enough even at the bargain price you thought you got it for on eBay."
In all fairness, we don't know WHY the op couldn't get himself to pull the trigger. It may not have had anything to do with the quality of the coin itself, but rather the asking price here on the BST.
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I don't agree with keeping the item up for sale in another venue after the auction has started though...
EDITED to add, got the ebay malfunctioning thing for the wrong day, whoops...took that part out. I still stand by all of the statement above though, who knows why the seller was unable to end the auction early.
<< <i>If you didn't like the coin well enough to have pulled the trigger as soon as you saw it on the BST, then you probably would not have liked it well enough even at the bargain price you thought you got it for on eBay. Consider it a blessing in disguise. This is not a defense in any way of the non-performing seller. They might want to comment here for their own benefit. >>
Well I only balked at the sellers price which was optimistic on the b/s/t, I set my snipe for a lil above the PCGS guide for the coin.
O well, just a little upset, I am sure I will find a replacement.
I don't do that on eBay but other folks do.
<< <i>I don't think the seller did too much wrong. Ebay was malfunctioning... >>
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eBay malfunctioning WOULD have been a valid excuse this weekend but the seller said he sold the coin yesterday! It was around 4:00 pm yesterday when eBay went down for a few hours so that deserves a Neg.
This happened to me last year when I won a $10 Lib for under melt. Seller said they couldn't locate the coin! It had vanished. Right.
Edit: the problems with the search function on ebay were corrected last night, well before this auction's end.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
However, I could not catch the last second snipes and Robert's bid was high. I'm sorry he feels cheated, but I tried everything I could to end it early. The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer. I have apologized to Robert twice once on ebay and again via PM here.
<< <i>The seller was trying to cancel bids, but you have to wonder how a coin in the last day of an auction suddenly gets sold to someone else (if it was sold).
Edit: the problems with the search function on ebay were corrected last night, well before this auction's end. >>
The fact that there were search problems so soon before the end of the auction, even though not at the actual end, really settles the issue. The seller depends on eBay to run the auctions without problems. If there were problems he is under no obligation to consider it a valid auction.
<< <i>I am the one that listed the coin and here is a link to the auction. The coin sold yesterday (the day before the auction ended). I tried ending the auction early, but found out one cannot end an auction with less than 12 hours to go if there are bids. I even called ebay and customer support told me cancel all bids then end the auction - that does not work. The CS rep then tried to override the system, but couldn't. Their advice was to watch the auction and cancel the bids as they were placed. I started doing that and received several questions about why the bids were being canceled. The questions were answered and posted in the question section of the listing with the hope others would see them.
However, I could not catch the last second snipes and Robert's bid was high. I'm sorry he feels cheated, but I tried everything I could to end it early. The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer. I have apologized to Robert twice once on ebay and again via PM here. >>
I appreciate your honesty and candor.
I do, however, take issue with someone starting an auction listing (given the dangers of not being able to end it) while they are actively engaged in selling the coin elsewhere. It isn't fair to the bidders on eBay.
Stores listings are different because there are never time constraints; you can always end them, and there aren't pending bidders. That's a different animal.
Auctioning something though? That bothers me.
Just my 2 cents...
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O well, I am sure there will be no business between us in the future.
Apparently yours are not brass!
Edit: the problems with the search function on ebay were corrected last night, well before this auction's end. >>
The fact that there were search problems so soon before the end of the auction, even though not at the actual end, really settles the issue. The seller depends on eBay to run the auctions without problems. If there were problems he is under no obligation to consider it a valid auction.
If the problems were on that same day, I'd agree with you, but that ebay problem was cleared about 20 hours before the auction's end. Regardless, the seller canceled the auction not because of that issue, but because he sold the coin elsewhere (which is in poor form, IMO, if you've made the decision to list the coin on ebay).
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I am the one that listed the coin and here is a link to the auction. The coin sold yesterday (the day before the auction ended). I tried ending the auction early, but found out one cannot end an auction with less than 12 hours to go if there are bids. I even called ebay and customer support told me cancel all bids then end the auction - that does not work. The CS rep then tried to override the system, but couldn't. Their advice was to watch the auction and cancel the bids as they were placed. I started doing that and received several questions about why the bids were being canceled. The questions were answered and posted in the question section of the listing with the hope others would see them.
However, I could not catch the last second snipes and Robert's bid was high. I'm sorry he feels cheated, but I tried everything I could to end it early. The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer. I have apologized to Robert twice once on ebay and again via PM here. >>
Steve, if I understand the situation correctly, why would you have a no-reserve auction running at the same time as an offer to sell the coin on the BST? That sounds like you set yourself up for trouble with potential Ebay bidders in the event that the coin sold on the BST. And sure enough, trouble is what you got.
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<< <i>I am the one that listed the coin and here is a link to the auction. The coin sold yesterday (the day before the auction ended). I tried ending the auction early, but found out one cannot end an auction with less than 12 hours to go if there are bids. >>
Ok....I'm trying to understand why this was so difficult....maybe I am missing something?
* Auction was set to end 11/22 (today) at ~5:06pm.....right? That's what the ebay link that the seller, Stev32k (board member title), posted here.
* It appears (and seller confirms) that you can't end an auction that has bids, less than 12 hours to go.
* Seller says that coin sold YESTERDAY
So, I am no rocket scientist, but "Yesterday", to me, means MORE THAN 12 HOURS ago (unless one is saying this before noon).
So, why didn't the seller cancel the auction when it sold? Lazy? Not the full truth? Forgetful? Out on the lake fishing?
Seriously, I'm trying to figure out why, if it sold the day before the auction was to end, why the seller didn't get off his butt and cancel the ebay auction? I mean, who wants all the drama?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
People are quick on here to make judgements about situations in which only one side is known. While Holeinone has reason to be mad, i think the truth is not as bad as the OP made it sound.
Just my opinion, remember - it's worth what you paid for it...
If the seller sold the coin yesterday as he stated, he had well more than 12 hours to cancel the auction, which ended about 8 pm tonight..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The seller obviously got a reasonable offer for his coin which he accepted thinking he could simply cancel the eBay bids and then the auction.
That offer could have come from literally ANYBODY that saw the BST post.
How does a coin get sold when its already been listed on eBay? Simple, you get a good solid offer for it.
It should be noted by all the folks that read this thread: Regardless of what folks may tell you, YOU CANNOT CANCEL and eBay auction with less than 12 hours remaining.
You can cancel the bids, but you cannot cancel the auction.
Hopefully, this seller will not get negged.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>eBay allows sellers to cancel their auction if they have sold the coin in another venue. Some dealers bring all inventory to coin shows. If someone buys a coin from their website it might have just been sold at the show. eBay and some dealers treat eBay in the same fashion.
I don't do that on eBay but other folks do. >>
I always thought that eBay wanted exclusive rights to items listed. In other words, if you have it on eBay, it takes precedence over all other venues.
<< <i>I am the one that listed the coin and here is a link to the auction. The coin sold yesterday (the day before the auction ended). I tried ending the auction early, but found out one cannot end an auction with less than 12 hours to go if there are bids. I even called ebay and customer support told me cancel all bids then end the auction - that does not work. The CS rep then tried to override the system, but couldn't. Their advice was to watch the auction and cancel the bids as they were placed. I started doing that and received several questions about why the bids were being canceled. The questions were answered and posted in the question section of the listing with the hope others would see them.
However, I could not catch the last second snipes and Robert's bid was high. I'm sorry he feels cheated, but I tried everything I could to end it early. The coin sold for the price I was asking on the BST board and with no ebay or paypal fees involved I could not turn down the offer. I have apologized to Robert twice once on ebay and again via PM here. >>
So if the coin sold for the price you were asking on ths BST then where elsewhere you offering it forsale or did a forum member meet your offer cause that is a big coincidence that you pulled it off the BST before ebay but you happened to get the same offer as was on the BST....
if you ask me.....
<< <i>....he had well more than 12 hours to cancel the auction, which ended about 8 pm tonight.. >>
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And it was sold before there were any problems with eBay, which lasted for about 5 hours last night.
You can sell a coin in an active auction, but there has to be a penalty.
The OP has a legit beef.
<< <i>It amazes me how quickly this forum can turn on one of its own!
The seller obviously got a reasonable offer for his coin which he accepted thinking he could simply cancel the eBay bids and then the auction.
That offer could have come from literally ANYBODY that saw the BST post.
How does a coin get sold when its already been listed on eBay? Simple, you get a good solid offer for it.
It should be noted by all the folks that read this thread: Regardless of what folks may tell you, YOU CANNOT CANCEL and eBay auction with less than 12 hours remaining.
You can cancel the bids, but you cannot cancel the auction.
Hopefully, this seller will not get negged. >>
Lee, seller stated he SOLD IT YESTERDAY.
Auction was due to end just after 5pm today.
Tel me why he couldn't cancel it with MORE THAN 12 hours before the auction was to end?
Seller was either lazy or not completely honest, imho, with the information given so far.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Just to avoid future problems, is it possible to cancel all bids on ebay and then set the coin as a BIN with a ridiculously high BIN so as noone will buy it if you cannot cancel it with under 12 hours left? This would solve the sniper issue. >>
NO!
You cannot do ANYTHING within that final 12 hour window.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I am the one that listed the coin and here is a link to the auction. The coin sold yesterday (the day before the auction ended). I tried ending the auction early, but found out one cannot end an auction with less than 12 hours to go if there are bids. >>
Ok....I'm trying to understand why this was so difficult....maybe I am missing something?
* Auction was set to end 11/22 (today) at ~5:06pm.....right? That's what the ebay link that the seller, Stev32k (board member title), posted here.
* It appears (and seller confirms) that you can't end an auction that has bids, less than 12 hours to go.
* Seller says that coin sold YESTERDAY
So, I am no rocket scientist, but "Yesterday", to me, means MORE THAN 12 HOURS ago (unless one is saying this before noon).
So, why didn't the seller cancel the auction when it sold? Lazy? Not the full truth? Forgetful? Out on the lake fishing?
Seriously, I'm trying to figure out why, if it sold the day before the auction was to end, why the seller didn't get off his butt and cancel the ebay auction? I mean, who wants all the drama? >>
I did try to cancel the auction within an hour of agreeing to the sale but could not get to the listing. I thought there was something wrong with my computer or the ebay site and was not concerned because I assumed an auction could be canceled at any time. I didn't try again until after Church on Sunday. By then it was too late.
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<< <i>I am the one that listed the coin and here is a link to the auction. The coin sold yesterday (the day before the auction ended). I tried ending the auction early, but found out one cannot end an auction with less than 12 hours to go if there are bids. >>
Ok....I'm trying to understand why this was so difficult....maybe I am missing something?
* Auction was set to end 11/22 (today) at ~5:06pm.....right? That's what the ebay link that the seller, Stev32k (board member title), posted here.
* It appears (and seller confirms) that you can't end an auction that has bids, less than 12 hours to go.
* Seller says that coin sold YESTERDAY
So, I am no rocket scientist, but "Yesterday", to me, means MORE THAN 12 HOURS ago (unless one is saying this before noon).
So, why didn't the seller cancel the auction when it sold? Lazy? Not the full truth? Forgetful? Out on the lake fishing?
Seriously, I'm trying to figure out why, if it sold the day before the auction was to end, why the seller didn't get off his butt and cancel the ebay auction? I mean, who wants all the drama? >>
This auction was set to end at 5:06pm PST which means the seller would have to have ended it before 5:06am PST. For whatever reason, I think he thought he could end the auction by simply cancelling all the bids and just put it off until today.
He says he called eBay so I think his intentions were honorable. He was just misinformed on what his options were. Obviously he should have ended the auction immediately but things happen!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>and my initial thoughts were right imho. If Steve really did take down the listing then the only thing he did wrong was try to end it with under 12 hours left, something he didn't know he could do. Perhaps in the future don't exept sales if they are within 12 hours of the auction closing?
If the seller sold the coin yesterday as he stated, he had well more than 12 hours to cancel the auction, which ended about 8 pm tonight.. >>
Not if he can't get to his auction because of the ebay malfunctions...
Does the seller have a right to be upset, sure. Did Steve do something deserving of a neg, not imho.
<< <i>Did Steve do something deserving of a neg, not imho. >>
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Help me understand why this doesn't deserve a neg.
1. I have an active auction on eBay that ends on a Sunday and has many bids.
2. Someone offers a good price for the same coin 24 hours before active eBay auction ends.
3. I sell the coin.
4. Auction ends and Highest Bidder does not win the coin.
How is that NOT a negative?
If the seller sold the coin yesterday as he stated, he had well more than 12 hours to cancel the auction, which ended about 8 pm tonight.. >>
Not if he can't get to his auction because of the ebay malfunctions...
I was able to see amy own auctions even during the problem with the search function. And that problem was cleared last night. I'm fairly certain the seller thought he could wait till today to cancel the auction, only to discover that was not the case. I can understand why a seller would want to get the highest possible price for an item, but it is still bad form to list an auction on ebay and then sell the item you are auctioning off on the last day. If I were the high bidder, I'd be PO'd if that happened to me. It's like adding a disclaimer to your auction saying that if this auction doesn't reach a certain price, I may wind up selling it to someone other than the high bidder.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>With Heritage or Teletrade, this would never happen, as the auction house has possession. >>
Are you sure?
Heritage:
Auctioneer reserves the right to refuse to honor any bid or to limit the amount of any bid, in
its sole discretion.
Auctioneer reserves the right to rescind the sale in the event of nonpayment, breach of a
warranty, disputed ownership, auctioneer’s clerical error or omission in exercising bids and
reserves, or for any other reason and in Auctioneer’s sole discretion.
Teletrade:
The Auctioneer may accept or decline any bid, challenge to any bid or bidding increment, as the Auctioneer in its sole discretion shall determine.
Teletrade reserves the right to withdraw any lot at any time, until the close of the Auction Sale. No Bidder shall have a right to claim any consequential damages if a lot is withdrawn. In the event technical difficulties interrupt or impair the bidding, notification or auction process, Teletrade has the right, in its sole discretion, to suspend, extend, postpone or cancel the Auction Sale without liability of any kind whatsoever to Consignors or Bidders.
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<< <i>With Heritage or Teletrade, this would never happen, as the auction house has possession. >>
Are you sure?
Heritage:
Auctioneer reserves the right to refuse to honor any bid or to limit the amount of any bid, in
its sole discretion.
Auctioneer reserves the right to rescind the sale in the event of nonpayment, breach of a
warranty, disputed ownership, auctioneer’s clerical error or omission in exercising bids and
reserves, or for any other reason and in Auctioneer’s sole discretion.
Teletrade:
The Auctioneer may accept or decline any bid, challenge to any bid or bidding increment, as the Auctioneer in its sole discretion shall determine.
Teletrade reserves the right to withdraw any lot at any time, until the close of the Auction Sale. No Bidder shall have a right to claim any consequential damages if a lot is withdrawn. In the event technical difficulties interrupt or impair the bidding, notification or auction process, Teletrade has the right, in its sole discretion, to suspend, extend, postpone or cancel the Auction Sale without liability of any kind whatsoever to Consignors or Bidders. >>
well, maybe you're right, but i still stand by my position that Heritage and Teletrade do have the items in their possession, and eBay does not.
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<< <i>This is a private transaction that did not go well. Why post it here on the PCGS forums? If the seller apologized, move on!
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Im actually GLAD it was posted here. Now I know what to expect if I ever see something for sale from this seller in the future. Thanks to the OP for outing this guy!
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<< <i>This is a private transaction that did not go well. Why post it here on the PCGS forums? If the seller apologized, move on!
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Im actually GLAD it was posted here. Now I know what to expect if I ever see something for sale from this seller in the future. Thanks to the OP for outing this guy! >>
Every day thousands of coin transactions go bad. Should they all be posted here on the PCGS forums? I guess so.
It sounds like whining and definitely places the OP in a bad light.
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<< <i>This is a private transaction that did not go well. Why post it here on the PCGS forums? If the seller apologized, move on!
TRUTH >>
Im actually GLAD it was posted here. Now I know what to expect if I ever see something for sale from this seller in the future. Thanks to the OP for outing this guy! >>
Every day thousands of coin transactions go bad. Should they all be posted here on the PCGS forums? I guess so.
It sounds like whining and definitely places the OP in a bad light.
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If the sour deal involves a fellow forum member, absolutely!!! Your reputation in this hobby is all that counts. Would you disagree with that?