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Does Anyone Have A "Hammered" 1921 Peace??
MisterBungle
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I mean where the hair around the ear is fully struck up.
I don't know that I've ever seen one.
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
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Ah well, not quite hammered, but still pretty nice:
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<< <i>Ah well, not quite hammered, but still pretty nice: >>
That's about as close to hammered as they get.
Here's a PCGS MS65, and even it's a pancake in the hair over the ear:
Russ, NCNE
That Bruceswar '21 is more fully struck than
any I've seen.
I like it!!
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
I have examined a small number of extremely well struck specimens, including several AU-58s. Most collectors and dealers have never seen one. The coin owned by Bruceswar (shown above) is very nice, but lacks the roundness to hair curls in front of the ear and rounded features on all parts of the eagle’s breast. Also, the best struck pieces will usually have satin-like luster (early strikes from new dies) with no cartwheel effect.
The authentication/grading services seem to ignore strike when sticking a number on 1921 Peace dollars. I’ve seen some real dogs in MS-65 holders.
The proofs display virtually all the detail that was in the dies. The style of the coin does not have sharply cut detail, so the hair is “massed” (in Jim Fraser’s words) rather than sharply delineated. If you look in Renaissance of American Coinage 1916-1921 you will find photos of the original models and of the cast used to make reductions for the obverse. This will show you the maximum detail possible. (Actually, the cast will show more detail that will ever show in the coin due to mechanical reduction.)
- Bob -
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<< <i>Bruceswar has one that is pretty well hammered, let me see if I can find it... Hope he allows me to post it.
Ah well, not quite hammered, but still pretty nice:
That almost looks like a proof!
<< <i>Bruceswar has one that is pretty well hammered, let me see if I can find it... Hope he allows me to post it.
Ah well, not quite hammered, but still pretty nice:
Vam 3?
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I'm not a Vam guy, but is it possible that one
die pairing would come more fully struck on the
1921 Peace than others??
Just a thought.
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
Dollars struck?? The Brucewear coin above looks almost like a circulated proof I saw in a BW
Auction preview at a Baltimore show a couple of years ago. Just as well struck as the proofs IMHO.
<< <i>What die pair or Vam were the two types of Proof Peace
Dollars struck?? The Brucewear coin above looks almost like a circulated proof I saw in a BW
Auction preview at a Baltimore show a couple of years ago. Just as well struck as the proofs IMHO.
I did look into the proof aspect of it, but never got anywhere with that.
And to think I nearly passed on this coin originally as it was first 1921 Peace Dollar, which I thought was weak (little did I know)
As for Vam 3 I think I also checked into that. I will have to look again.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
"And to think I nearly passed on this coin originally as it was first 1921 Peace Dollar, which I thought was weak (little did I know)"
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When I started this thread, over a year ago now, I had never
seen a '21 Peace that was struck anywhere near as hard as
yours, so it was quite a treat to see it.
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
<< <i>"And to think I nearly passed on this coin originally as it was first 1921 Peace Dollar, which I thought was weak (little did I know)"
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When I started this thread, over a year ago now, I had never
seen a '21 Peace that was struck anywhere near as hard as
yours, so it was quite a treat to see it.
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You would be sick to know where I found this at.
<< <i>not mine:
Hey, that's my coin!
Here's another interesting one.
Good luck submitting that coin
<< <i>Mike and Dawn need some half dimes on their website!
Good luck submitting that coin >>
Thanks, I'll need it.
1921 Peace Dollar - PCGS MS-63 -- New Purchase
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
<< <i>Vam 3?
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I'm not a Vam guy, but is it possible that one
die pairing would come more fully struck on the
1921 Peace than others??
Just a thought.
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Absolutely, The mint worker modified Vam3 is known for only having very week strikes, most likely to preserve an already worn die that had to be touched up. The coins struck from the proof dies have full dates where one of the other die pairs has a very flat date.
A couple areas of clash:
U.S. Type Set
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
Lance.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
<< <i>I saw this raw 1921 Peace Dollar with apparently very sharp strike on e-Bay. Auction closed tonight for $430. Just curious if anyone on our forum might have purchased it?
That almost looks too good.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
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<< <i>Here's the obverse of mine. Pretty decent strike.
As nice as any I have ever seen. Great strike and very clean surfaces.
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<< <i>I saw this raw 1921 Peace Dollar with apparently very sharp strike on e-Bay. Coin received 31 bids, and auction closed tonight for $430. Just curious if anyone on our forum might have purchased it?
Whoa, compared to everything else posted in this thread, that one doesn't look right.
I vote, Shenzhen Mint!
$430? seems like the bidders knew something was off?
(Added: Several forum members generously contributed photos, including some amazing error coins!)
<< <i>I suggest that collectors might want to buy a copy of “A Guide Book of Peace Dollars” ($19.95) before spending $400+ on a tooled/damaged dog like the one from ebay. The book will show you what a well struck 1921 Peace dollar looks like, among lots of other information. >>
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<< <i>I suggest that collectors might want to buy a copy of “A Guide Book of Peace Dollars” ($19.95) before spending $400+ on a tooled/damaged dog like the one from ebay. The book will show you what a well struck 1921 Peace dollar looks like, among lots of other information. >>
It's a Great Book... Especially the Mint Error section!
<< <i>I suggest that collectors might want to buy a copy of “A Guide Book of Peace Dollars” ($19.95) before spending $400+ on a tooled/damaged dog like the one from ebay. The book will show you what a well struck 1921 Peace dollar looks like, among lots of other information.
(Added: Several forum members generously contributed photos, including some amazing error coins!) >>
Is his a Whitman publication ?
I'd like to pick up this book.
Thx.
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<< <i>Is his a Whitman publication ?
I'd like to pick up this book.
Thx. >>
YES
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[Added: I won't show the one I located a few years ago - it's been posted enough. Check near the bottom of this page if you’re interested: http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=743285&STARTPAGE=3]