Does Anyone Have A "Hammered" 1921 Peace??

MisterBungle

I mean where the hair around the ear is fully struck up.

I don't know that I've ever seen one.

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BECOKA

Nope, this is as close as I could get:

Mercury10c

I've never seen one. I've seen 65s and 66s that are flat over the ear too, so I don't think that they exist.

SilverEagles92

Bruceswar has one that is pretty well hammered, let me see if I can find it... Hope he allows me to post it.

Ah well, not quite hammered, but still pretty nice:

keets

i doubt that one exists, even the Proofs are weak.

Russ

<< <i>Ah well, not quite hammered, but still pretty nice: >>



That's about as close to hammered as they get.

Here's a PCGS MS65, and even it's a pancake in the hair over the ear:




Russ, NCNE

MisterBungle

That Bruceswar '21 is more fully struck than
any I've seen.

I like it!!

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RWB

Re: Fully struck 1921Peace dollars.

I have examined a small number of extremely well struck specimens, including several AU-58s. Most collectors and dealers have never seen one. The coin owned by Bruceswar (shown above) is very nice, but lacks the roundness to hair curls in front of the ear and rounded features on all parts of the eagle’s breast. Also, the best struck pieces will usually have satin-like luster (early strikes from new dies) with no cartwheel effect.

The authentication/grading services seem to ignore strike when sticking a number on 1921 Peace dollars. I’ve seen some real dogs in MS-65 holders.

The proofs display virtually all the detail that was in the dies. The style of the coin does not have sharply cut detail, so the hair is “massed” (in Jim Fraser’s words) rather than sharply delineated. If you look in Renaissance of American Coinage 1916-1921 you will find photos of the original models and of the cast used to make reductions for the obverse. This will show you the maximum detail possible. (Actually, the cast will show more detail that will ever show in the coin due to mechanical reduction.)

robec

My MS64 shows the same flatness in the hair.

ccr

I`ve had this for about 3 years and bought it raw as XF45. Pretty fair grade IMHO.

Barndog

this is the only Peace Dollar I own:

DennisH

SilverEagles92: That is easily the best-struck 1921 Peace dollar I've ever seen. NICE COIN!

tightbudget

<< <i>Bruceswar has one that is pretty well hammered, let me see if I can find it... Hope he allows me to post it.

Ah well, not quite hammered, but still pretty nice:

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That almost looks like a proof!

koynekwest

Seems to be true for all the normally poorly struck US coins. See Mr Bowers opinions on the subject. He's right on the money on this one.

stephunter

Vam 3?




<< <i>Bruceswar has one that is pretty well hammered, let me see if I can find it... Hope he allows me to post it.

Ah well, not quite hammered, but still pretty nice:

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MisterBungle

Vam 3?
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I'm not a Vam guy, but is it possible that one
die pairing would come more fully struck on the
1921 Peace than others??

Just a thought.

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morgannut2

What die pair or Vam were the two types of Proof Peace

Dollars struck?? The Brucewear coin above looks almost like a circulated proof I saw in a BW

Auction preview at a Baltimore show a couple of years ago. Just as well struck as the proofs IMHO.

Bruceswar

<< <i>What die pair or Vam were the two types of Proof Peace

Dollars struck?? The Brucewear coin above looks almost like a circulated proof I saw in a BW

Auction preview at a Baltimore show a couple of years ago. Just as well struck as the proofs IMHO. >>




I did look into the proof aspect of it, but never got anywhere with that.

And to think I nearly passed on this coin originally as it was first 1921 Peace Dollar, which I thought was weak (little did I know)

As for Vam 3 I think I also checked into that. I will have to look again.

robec

It's great to see you back Bruce.

Coinosaurus

RWB has a set of photos in the Peace Dollar Guide Book (highly recommended by the way) which show the progression from well struck to poorly struck.

MisterBungle

"And to think I nearly passed on this coin originally as it was first 1921 Peace Dollar, which I thought was weak (little did I know)"
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When I started this thread, over a year ago now, I had never
seen a '21 Peace that was struck anywhere near as hard as
yours, so it was quite a treat to see it.

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Bruceswar

<< <i>"And to think I nearly passed on this coin originally as it was first 1921 Peace Dollar, which I thought was weak (little did I know)"
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When I started this thread, over a year ago now, I had never
seen a '21 Peace that was struck anywhere near as hard as
yours, so it was quite a treat to see it.

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You would be sick to know where I found this at.

kaz

OK, fess up-- I just took my seasickness pills!

Barndog

not mine:

poorguy

<< <i>not mine:


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Hey, that's my coin! I used it on Dawn and Mike's new website I set-up for them. Here's the large size obverse and reverse. The obverse and reverse dies match perfectly (even to the alignment) to the three satin proofs I compared it to a few Baltimore's ago at Rare Coin Wholesaler's table. Every die polish line matches perfectly (even the three in the upper left obverse that are parallel to each other). It's currently sitting here raw.





Here's another interesting one.

Barndog

Mike and Dawn need some half dimes on their website!

Good luck submitting that coin

poorguy

<< <i>Mike and Dawn need some half dimes on their website!

Good luck submitting that coin >>



Thanks, I'll need it.

Stuart

This is one of my favorite well-struck 1921 Peace Dollars recently added to my collection, that I am pleased to share with my fellow forum members.

1921 Peace Dollar - PCGS MS-63 -- New Purchase

kaz

very attractive!

morganbarber

I remember really liking Lord Marcovan's 21 Peace, but I can't exactly recollect the strike.

garsmith

crypto79

<< <i>Vam 3?
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I'm not a Vam guy, but is it possible that one
die pairing would come more fully struck on the
1921 Peace than others??

Just a thought.

~ >>



Absolutely, The mint worker modified Vam3 is known for only having very week strikes, most likely to preserve an already worn die that had to be touched up. The coins struck from the proof dies have full dates where one of the other die pairs has a very flat date.

SkyMan

Here's a pretty well struck one that has some significant die polish going on on the reverse to X out a nifty clash.






A couple areas of clash:

Broadstruck

I saw this PCGS MS65 at the Whitman show.

Stuart

1921 NGC MS-63 Peace Dollar

veryfine

Here's a decent one of mine.

mdwoods

Here's the obverse of mine. Pretty decent strike.

RWB

Remember that numeric grade and strike detail are poorly correlated for 1921 Peace dollars.

lkeigwin

Here's a PCGS MS66 struck on proof dies.
Lance.

DHeath

Here are pics of matte and satin proofs.

Stuart

I saw this raw 1921 Peace Dollar with apparently very sharp strike on e-Bay. Coin received 31 bids, and auction closed tonight for $430. Just curious if anyone on our forum might have purchased it?

robec

<< <i>I saw this raw 1921 Peace Dollar with apparently very sharp strike on e-Bay. Auction closed tonight for $430. Just curious if anyone on our forum might have purchased it?

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That almost looks too good.

MFH

<< <i>Here's the obverse of mine. Pretty decent strike.

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As nice as any I have ever seen. Great strike and very clean surfaces.

tychojoe

<< <i>I saw this raw 1921 Peace Dollar with apparently very sharp strike on e-Bay. Coin received 31 bids, and auction closed tonight for $430. Just curious if anyone on our forum might have purchased it?

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Whoa, compared to everything else posted in this thread, that one doesn't look right.

I vote, Shenzhen Mint!

$430? seems like the bidders knew something was off?

tychojoe

That last Peace pictured has its own thread here: 1921 Peace $1 with Dreadlocks?

RWB

I suggest that collectors might want to buy a copy of “A Guide Book of Peace Dollars” ($19.95) before spending $400+ on a tooled/damaged dog like the one from ebay. The book will show you what a well struck 1921 Peace dollar looks like, among lots of other information.

(Added: Several forum members generously contributed photos, including some amazing error coins!)

Broadstruck

<< <i>I suggest that collectors might want to buy a copy of “A Guide Book of Peace Dollars” ($19.95) before spending $400+ on a tooled/damaged dog like the one from ebay. The book will show you what a well struck 1921 Peace dollar looks like, among lots of other information. >>

Broadstruck

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<< <i>I suggest that collectors might want to buy a copy of “A Guide Book of Peace Dollars” ($19.95) before spending $400+ on a tooled/damaged dog like the one from ebay. The book will show you what a well struck 1921 Peace dollar looks like, among lots of other information. >>



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It's a Great Book... Especially the Mint Error section!

MFH

<< <i>I suggest that collectors might want to buy a copy of “A Guide Book of Peace Dollars” ($19.95) before spending $400+ on a tooled/damaged dog like the one from ebay. The book will show you what a well struck 1921 Peace dollar looks like, among lots of other information.

(Added: Several forum members generously contributed photos, including some amazing error coins!) >>



Is his a Whitman publication ?

I'd like to pick up this book.

Thx.

Broadstruck

<< <i>Is his a Whitman publication ?

I'd like to pick up this book.

Thx. >>



YES

RWB

Yep. It is volume No. 13 in the "Guide Book" series (aka "Bowers Series") published by Whitman. When you get your copy, turn to page 184 to see the range of striking for 1921 Peace dollars.

This one was written by Barry Lovvorn and yours truly.


[Added: I won't show the one I located a few years ago - it's been posted enough. Check near the bottom of this page if you’re interested: http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=743285&STARTPAGE=3]