<< <i>Mine arrived today....ord #33165XXX. Leaving it sealed (not for any other reason besides possible flipping) until I know for certain if order #2 is shipping or getting cancelled. That order went from 'on hold' to 'in process' and haven't received any emails from the mint, so, I guess anything's possible. >>
Not sure the only bad thing is the original box is not very conducive to safe flipping. The set is itself not in its own box just a white sleeve and your invoice is in there too, not sure if you want a potential customer to have your address. Besides no FS on these. These coins were released earlier this year. If you sell it unopened, the buyer could swap the coins out with poor examples and say that's what was in there when they checked to see if the merchandise was there. Who'd be the wiser? I'd open it.
<< <i>Mine arrived today....ord #33165XXX. Leaving it sealed (not for any other reason besides possible flipping) until I know for certain if order #2 is shipping or getting cancelled. That order went from 'on hold' to 'in process' and haven't received any emails from the mint, so, I guess anything's possible. >>
Not sure the only bad thing is the original box is not very conducive to safe flipping. The set is itself not in its own box just a white sleeve and your invoice is in there too, not sure if you want a potential customer to have your address. Besides no FS on these. These coins were released earlier this year. If you sell it unopened, the buyer could swap the coins out with poor examples and say that's what was in there when they checked to see if the merchandise was there. Who'd be the wiser? I'd open it. >>
I agree with the problem of changing coins or the buyer stating nothing was in the box (how can you prove otherwise when you never looked) but I never thought about the address. Don't most people put a return address on the shipped item anyway?
No FS on these guys as someone already said......these coins were available under diff packaging options earlier this year and the 30 day window has since expired....
The only question is will they certify these with a special label ......i.e. "Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set" only from a sealed box?
Doubt it, but I'll put it out there for discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>The only question is will they certify these with a special label ......i.e. "Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set" only from a sealed box?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you sell it unopened, the buyer could swap the coins out with poor examples and say that's what was in there when they checked to see if the merchandise was there. Who'd be the wiser? I'd open it.
But as a buyer, if you buy an opened set, the seller could just as easily swapped out good examples for poor examples they already had in their inventory. I'll add, have you ever sold an unopened set of anything and accepted a return after it had been opened by the buyer?
If selling these, I'd leave it sealed. If buying, I'd pay a premium for sealed.
Mixed feelings on the sealed box thing....There will be PayPal issues if a buyer stated he rec'd a sealed mint box with an uncirculated set inside instead of the Chronicles set. PayPal will refund and that will be that.
If I sold a sealed US Mint box, I would not accept returns if the buyer had opened it, and say so.. thus, the buyer knows ahead of time that he is buying a sealed box, and I won't take it back if he opens it.. if he does open it, it's his.. if he says "hey, you sent me a box full of old Twinkie wrappers and cigar butts" or "these coins suck.. I want my money back!".. how am I to know the buyer didn't swap out an inferior example of the same thing, or fill the box with old Twinkie wrappers and cigar butts, and claim that's what I sent him?.. when you buy a sealed-box anything, and you can't see what's inside without slitting through paper or plastic tape to get inside.. that's the risk you're willing to take when you buy a totally opaque, sealed box.. like that "sealed 1941 Proof Set" that sold on eBay for four figures the other day.. any of those pre-1956 Proof sets boxes contain coins in very old cellophane, stapled together at the top.. who knows how they've been stored for over half a century?.. Staples rust.. same thing goes for Post-1955 flat pack sets in sealed envelopes.. there are tons of those out there, allegedly never opened, which are in faked US Mint envelopes.. the seller might not even know it's a faked, modern-day sealed envelope, because he bought it that way from someone else..
I'm not even wildly crazy about US Mint Proof sets from 1999-onwards, since they switched to "lenses" that you can pry apart with your fingernails.. before 1999, they were sonically-sealed and you had to whip out the tin snips or band saw to open them..
Oh.. and I think it was in this thread that someone mentioned s/he was at a coin show recently, and saw a dealer smashing GSA $s out of their 1970s gubmint slabs.. made me sick to my stomach when I read that.. I only have one GSA $, with its original Nixon "COA" and black box, graded by NGC, who puts a holygram strip around the entire GSA slab.. IMO, that's the RIGHT way to get those things graded.. those slabs are history, and should not be smashed / destroyed.. I'd like to see PCGS certify and grade them the same way NGC does..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
OK, so let me refresh some memories here with special labeling because of packaging......
Can anyone say "20th Anniversary Set"??????
And tell me how much a Regular Proof $50 Gold 1 oz Eagle goes for in MS70 with 20th Anniv labeling vs non- 20th Anniv labeling.........? HUGE premium.....HUGE.......
So dont discount the fact that a service can do whatever they want.........if it brings in the bucks......
Not sure the only bad thing is the original box is not very conducive to safe flipping. The set is itself not in its own box just a white sleeve and your invoice is in there too, not sure if you want a potential customer to have your address. Besides no FS on these. These coins were released earlier this year. If you sell it unopened, the buyer could swap the coins out with poor examples and say that's what was in there when they checked to see if the merchandise was there. Who'd be the wiser? I'd open it.
Excellent point in regard to the invoice. Looks like I AM sure it'll get opened now, just for removal of the invoice. Thanks, Nitro!
<< <i>Don't most people put a return address on the shipped item anyway? >>
Sure, but while some folks might have thier mint products shipped to a home address, they might use a different one when then sell. With everything that seems to happen these days, I'd be leary of sending my home address out to a person unknown to me. Someone might want to try and "shop" when I'm not home. If your invoice has a PO box on it there is less to worry about. Of course, everyone should use their own good judgment.
<< <i>Not sure the only bad thing is the original box is not very conducive to safe flipping. The set is itself not in its own box just a white sleeve and your invoice is in there too, not sure if you want a potential customer to have your address. Besides no FS on these. These coins were released earlier this year. If you sell it unopened, the buyer could swap the coins out with poor examples and say that's what was in there when they checked to see if the merchandise was there. Who'd be the wiser? I'd open it.
Excellent point in regard to the invoice. Looks like I AM sure it'll get opened now, just for removal of the invoice. Thanks, Nitro! >>
The solution to this is simple: Keep the set sealed (it is worth more to me and many other prospective buyers) and get a PO BOX. So what if someone has your PO Box on the invoice. They already have the same info if you sell it on ebay or mail the item to them with a return address. It amazes me that some collectors continue to have valuable and thief sensitive coins sent to their domiciles! Do you really want to advertise your collection and choices???
<< <i> Excellent point in regard to the invoice. Looks like I AM sure it'll get opened now, just for removal of the invoice. Thanks, Nitro! >>
No problem! If you were sending them in for grading that would be different. IMO if I were buying I'd want to see the coins first, since they were previously available. Too easily to fake a mailing label these days.
Pity the mint doesn't use the same packing method like they do for rolls (sealed white box inside the mailing box) for all their products. I guess that would reduce profits.
<< <i> The solution to this is simple: Keep the set sealed (it is worth more to me and many other prospective buyers) and get a PO BOX. So what if someone has your PO Box on the invoice. They already have the same info if you sell it on ebay or mail the item to them with a return address. It amazes me that some collectors continue to have valuable and thief sensitive coins sent to their domiciles! Do you really want to advertise your collection and choices???
Miles >>
Great advice for the PO box Miles. But, I'm sure for some collectors this might not be feasible for whatever reason (long distance to the post office, rarely buys coins shipped by mail, etc). For me, my wife is always home, so I prefer the stuff comes here. That said, everything I buy is for my personal collection, never flipped a single coin (nothing against those that do). Not to say I won't sell sometime, my kids are grown and have no interest whatsoever.
Another potential issue for some might be the size of the exterior mailing packaging. In this case (the Lincoln C&C set) the box is at least 500% larger than set itself. Unless you're selling them as fast as you get them, or have a warehouse, these boxes take up some serious room over time, even for guys like me that reduce it down to its basic interior box. If I kept it all in the original mailing boxes, it would easily fill a room by now. That's not good for security either. The alternative is to slab everything.
No problem. You do not take the coins back but PayPal would still credit the buyer with his money (formerly yours) back
Well said.........on ebay there is no such thing as "no returns"..........because that's the way they want it......you still have the right to put it in your auction, but "no returns" is a figment of your imagination on ebay.
For some unknown reason, The Mint's new facility is using this same, huge, brown cardboard box for just about every order these days, no matter how small.. my single 2009 Mint Set came in a small, sealed brown box, inside that huge box, surrounded by wadded, brown paper.. my 2009 Proof Set.. same thing.. a couple of rolls of 2009 Lincoln cents in a white plastic tray roll-holder thing, in a small, sealed white box.. same huge, outer box.. I don't have my Lincoln Set yet.. should be delivered tomorrow or Tuesday.. but it sounds like it'll come in that same box.. and those huge boxes won't fit in my mailbox.. so the mailman will have to bring it to my door.. saving me a few trips to the mailbox to see if it arrived.. he usually shows up in the same two-hour window every day.. when we get a substitute one day a week, they almost always show up MUCH later..
I DO save US Mint shipping boxes for sending out eBay items which, for one reason or another, I can't use USPS Priority Mail boxes, like when they're going International, or Parcel Post, or First Class Parcel..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
The turtle to which they strapped my Lincoln Set on 21 Oct., 2009, pointed him in my general direction, and gave him a gentle nudge.. finally made it to CA.. the mailman might actually deliver it tomorrow depending on when the turtle gets to the main branch where they load his truck.. assuming he doesn't stop off on the way at Fawlty Towers, for a gourmet luncheon of fried Hippopotamus in Suitcase Sauce.. with a Waldorf Salad..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>The turtle to which they strapped my Lincoln Set on 21 Oct., 2009, pointed him in my general direction, and gave him a gentle nudge.. finally made it to CA.. the mailman might actually deliver it tomorrow depending on when the turtle gets to the main branch where they load his truck.. assuming he doesn't stop off on the way at Fawlty Towers, for a gourmet luncheon of fried Hippopotamus in Suitcase Sauce.. with a Waldorf Salad.. >>
Looking forward to a Harv LC&C assessment once in his literary hands!!!!
<< <i>If I sold a sealed US Mint box, I would not accept returns if the buyer had opened it, >>
No problem. You do not take the coins back but PayPal would still credit the buyer with his money (formerly yours) back >>
Paypal would find in your favor if you told them the set was returned open and this reduced the value and made it "unsaleable" at the price paid. Paypal would want a 3rd party opinion from an "expert" in the field. I have provide this letter to paypal as the 3rd party expert on 2 occasions. --Jerry
<< <i> Paypal would find in your favor if you told them the set was returned open and this reduced the value and made it "unsaleable" at the price paid >>
Respectfully disagree......So I could ship a box with anything in it and then win the PayPal case because the buyer opened it and found an ASE instead of a Chronicles set ???
I think it would be under the "Not as described" banner....unopened box (check), Chronicles set inside (nope) ...money refunded
You COULD win the case if you sold it as "Unopened box from the US Mint....MAY have 2009 Chronicles Set inside"
I'm sure you would get moon money for that one
edited to add: What kind of opinion would a 3rd party have?? "Yup, It is my expert opinion that there was a Chronicle Set inside....How do I know??? Because I am a sealed box expert and I know about these things"
I was under the impression that the question was a mint sealed box of a chronicles set shipped inside another box. the chronicles box was opened and then returned. --Jerry
edit: I don't worry about or respond to the hypotheicals, "What if an unscrupulous seller send a box or rocks or a slimeball buyer returned an envelope full of hay?"
Well, looks like SOME of those that ordered with the same billing address flew under the radar. At least mine did.
Ord # 33174XXX shipped TODAY. It comes at the perfect time, just when the sets are starting to fetch more and more. By the time I receive my 2nd set, they should be well in the $200-$250 range.
<< <i>Well, looks like SOME of those that ordered with the same billing address flew under the radar. At least mine did.
Ord # 33174XXX shipped TODAY. It comes at the perfect time, just when the sets are starting to fetch more and more. By the time I receive my 2nd set, they should be well in the $200-$250 range. >>
Was handed off from fedex to my post office this morning and just now delivered to me. >>
Order Date: 10/15/2009 at 12:12 PM ET Tracking page says handed off from Fedex to USPS very early this morning, but does not say arrived at my USPS Main Branch yet.. so I don't know if it made it onto my mailman's truck or not.. won't know until he shows up in a few hours, either with it, or without it..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>I cannot wait for this baby. Half the fun is trying to fight the other buyers. This one will sell out in 24 hours!!!!
Not quite 24 hours but close. According to the mint this item was sold out in about 30 hours after it went on sale. Can anyone say ka-ching$$$$$$$. I have 4 of them with a little help from my friends, and hope to make a good chunk of change by selling 3 on the bay. I will wait a little while to sell because I've seen the price go up since they sold out. They are up to $170.00+ on ebay lately.
The fedex page never showed post office received it. Just that info was transfered to PO and item left fedex.
Oct 26, 2009 1:10 AMDeparted FedEx locationEDISON, NJ Oct 26, 2009 12:00 AMShipment information sent to USPSKEARNY, NJ Oct 24, 2009 2:30 AMArrived at FedEx locationEDISON, NJ Oct 22, 2009 9:03 PMDeparted FedEx locationGROVE CITY, OH Oct 22, 2009 12:54 PMArrived at FedEx locationGROVE CITY, OH Oct 22, 2009 1:32 AMDeparted FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN Oct 21, 2009 10:51 PMArrived at FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN Oct 21, 2009 3:55 PMShipment information sent to FedEx
Set Limits Don't Always Attract Coin Buyers By David C. Harper, Numismatic News October 26, 2009
The Lincoln Coin and Chronicles set sold out less than two days after it went on sale at noon Eastern time Oct. 15. A rapid sellout was anticipated by me and probably everyone else who has the slightest interest in new Mint issues.
Included in the set is a proof example of the Lincoln commemorative silver dollar plus proof examples of each of the four Lincoln cent designs for this year. The cents are struck in a 95 percent copper, 3 percent zinc and 2 percent tin alloy, the same as was used in the first Lincoln cents in 1909.
Production of the Lincoln Coin and Chronicles sets was limited to 50,000. This doesn’t mean the coins have mintages of 50,000. They don’t. Another 325,000 proof Lincoln dollars were sold individually in the spring. Proof Lincoln cents can be purchased in this year’s clad proof set, silver proof set and in their own four-coin set. Mintage of the four proof Lincoln cents will be at least 2 million when all is said and done, judging from present sales numbers on the Mint Statistics page. None of the coins in the set can be considered to be truly scarce.
But never underestimate the popularity of Lincoln coins with collectors. Most of us cut our hobby teeth on Lincoln cents. We are attached to the very idea of Lincoln cents being popular. It’s a numismatic equivalent of teenagers rushing to show up at the right place and be seen with the right crowd.
Lincoln is what we hobbyists do. We may be groupies, but we are historically knowledgeable ones.
Even though collectors can do the mintage math that I just did, there is no doubt in my mind that the last little prod pushing buyers into action that caused the Mint Web site to crash for a while and telephone orders to back up for a time was the 50,000 maximum sales total. That was a flashing yellow warning light. That makes the set seem scarcer and more desirable. The one set order limit further enhanced the set’s appeal.
Collectors acted and acted fast.
When the United States Mint Braille Education Set became available Oct. 1, collectors yawned. The set is still being offered three weeks after it first went on sale, even though the sales maximum is just half of that for Lincoln: 25,000.
Many resisted clicking to the Mint’s Web site, or dashing to the phone to buy one. In fact, only 5,996 of these sets were sold in the first 18 days. There is a chance it won’t sell out at all.
Why doesn’t use of a sales maximum always work and entice collectors into causing sellout after sellout? With perfect knowledge, perhaps numbers could be perfectly adjusted to cause sellouts, but we don’t live in a perfect world. In this case, history is the reason one sold out and the other has not done so. Lincoln is widely known. Braille much less so.
But it is with these less popular sets that long-term value lurks. Their lower initial sales often spell long-term opportunity. Just look at the 1997 Jackie Robinson mintage figures to show what happens to coins when initial sales drag. It is the coins and the sets that languish during initial sales often that have enhanced values as the years go by. What that means today is sell Lincoln and hold the Braille.
<< <i>The fedex page never showed post office received it. Just that info was transfered to PO and item left fedex.
Oct 26, 2009 1:10 AMDeparted FedEx locationEDISON, NJ Oct 26, 2009 12:00 AMShipment information sent to USPSKEARNY, NJ Oct 24, 2009 2:30 AMArrived at FedEx locationEDISON, NJ Oct 22, 2009 9:03 PMDeparted FedEx locationGROVE CITY, OH Oct 22, 2009 12:54 PMArrived at FedEx locationGROVE CITY, OH Oct 22, 2009 1:32 AMDeparted FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN Oct 21, 2009 10:51 PMArrived at FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN Oct 21, 2009 3:55 PMShipment information sent to FedEx >>
Here's how mine ended up coming out of Indianapolis, keep in mind Joe and I live about 30 miles apart.
Oct 24, 2009 5:31 AMDeparted FedEx locationEDISON, NJ Oct 24, 2009 12:00 AMShipment information sent to USPSEAST BRUNSWICK, NJ Oct 23, 2009 4:29 PMArrived at FedEx locationEDISON, NJ Oct 23, 2009 4:48 AMDeparted FedEx locationMARTINSBURG, WV Oct 22, 2009 5:21 PMArrived at FedEx locationMARTINSBURG, WV Oct 22, 2009 1:32 AMDeparted FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN Oct 21, 2009 9:39 PMArrived at FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN Oct 21, 2009 3:55 PMShipment information sent to FedEx
"Well here's another nice mess you have gotten me into" Oliver Hardy 1930
Yeah, well.. another $50.00 for the Braille Set?.. Geeze Louise.. can they sell those until they sell all 25,000, or is there a cut-off date?.. Is Harper's column going to make them all go bye-bye before I can finish typing this?..
How many of the Edison Silver $ sets in the fancy blue box with a bright LED inside did they sell a few years ago?.. I bought one of those.. dragged it out last week and opened the lid.. the blub she'a no light up any more.. battery conked out, I guess, and I don't remember if it takes a common AA or AAA, or one of those goofy button batteries.. I'll have to drag it out again and check, because I remember it saying the battery was replaceable.. are those going for moon money?.. Was the "Mintage" really low?.. I don't remember..
Which reminds me of the (no longer sold).. Pink Floyd "PULSE" Double CD set that came in a cardboard long-box with a hardbound book, with a flashing red LED peeking out one side of the box.. that thing takes one or two AAs or AAAs and they ARE easy to replace.. but I digress..
And that's it from me, on location, waiting for the mailman.. back to you in the studio, Walter.. err.. Dan.. err.. Connie.. err.. what's her name..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>How many of the Edison Silver $ sets in the fancy blue box with a bright LED inside did they sell a few years ago?.. I bought one of those.. dragged it out last week and opened the lid.. the blub she'a no light up any more.. battery conked out, I guess, and I don't remember if it takes a common AA or AAA, or one of those goofy button batteries.. I'll have to drag it out again and check, because I remember it saying the battery was replaceable.. are those going for moon money?.. Was the "Mintage" really low?.. I don't remember.. >>
Available on eBay (no my auction) for $45.99 + $8.95 shipping
According to the listing, 25,000 sold, takes 3 x #AG13 batteries. So much for the value of packaging rarities for rarity's sake. Then again, Edison was no Lincoln.
For what it's worth, I like the reverse of the Edison coin ...
Whatever you are, be a good one. ---- Abraham Lincoln
Edison was no Lincoln, but if you want to look at it that way.. Lincoln was no Edison..
Apples and Oranges, IMO..
Without Thomas Alva Edison, we wouldn't have.. well, you know what we wouldn't have.. sure.. someone else might have come along and invented and patented everything he did.. there might be another Abe Lincoln or Thomas Edison lying in a crib somewhere, sucking on a bottle, for all we know.. some future research scientist who will someday develop a cure for cancer.. or invent faster-than-light travel.. some future politician who will finally rid the world of all nukes.. who knows.. I don't.. you don't.. nobody does..
Watch the film "Edison, the Man" starring Spencer Tracy, the next time TCM runs it..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
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<< <i>Mine arrived today....ord #33165XXX. Leaving it sealed (not for any other reason besides possible flipping) until I know for certain if order #2 is shipping or getting cancelled. That order went from 'on hold' to 'in process' and haven't received any emails from the mint, so, I guess anything's possible. >>
Not sure the only bad thing is the original box is not very conducive to safe flipping. The set is itself not in its own box just a white sleeve and your invoice is in there too, not sure if you want a potential customer to have your address. Besides no FS on these. These coins were released earlier this year. If you sell it unopened, the buyer could swap the coins out with poor examples and say that's what was in there when they checked to see if the merchandise was there. Who'd be the wiser? I'd open it.
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<< <i>Mine arrived today....ord #33165XXX. Leaving it sealed (not for any other reason besides possible flipping) until I know for certain if order #2 is shipping or getting cancelled. That order went from 'on hold' to 'in process' and haven't received any emails from the mint, so, I guess anything's possible. >>
Not sure the only bad thing is the original box is not very conducive to safe flipping. The set is itself not in its own box just a white sleeve and your invoice is in there too, not sure if you want a potential customer to have your address. Besides no FS on these. These coins were released earlier this year. If you sell it unopened, the buyer could swap the coins out with poor examples and say that's what was in there when they checked to see if the merchandise was there. Who'd be the wiser? I'd open it. >>
I agree with the problem of changing coins or the buyer stating nothing was in the box (how can you prove otherwise when you never looked) but I never thought about the address. Don't most people put a return address on the shipped item anyway?
The only question is will they certify these with a special label ......i.e. "Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set" only from a sealed box?
Doubt it, but I'll put it out there for discussion
No.
<< <i>The only question is will they certify these with a special label ......i.e. "Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set" only from a sealed box? >>
This set is all about the packaging.....Remove that and you have just......ummmmm.....coins
<< <i>I was really looking forward to this set...
Received it today...
Spine wasn't attached. Not a big deal I can re-glue it.
One of the Lincolns has a few spots.
Another of the Lincolns has a haze.
The COA was missing.
Less than thrilled... >>
Got pics?
But as a buyer, if you buy an opened set, the seller could just as easily swapped out good examples for poor examples they already had in their inventory.
I'll add, have you ever sold an unopened set of anything and accepted a return after it had been opened by the buyer?
If selling these, I'd leave it sealed. If buying, I'd pay a premium for sealed.
I'm not even wildly crazy about US Mint Proof sets from 1999-onwards, since they switched to "lenses" that you can pry apart with your fingernails.. before 1999, they were sonically-sealed and you had to whip out the tin snips or band saw to open them..
Oh.. and I think it was in this thread that someone mentioned s/he was at a coin show recently, and saw a dealer smashing GSA $s out of their 1970s gubmint slabs.. made me sick to my stomach when I read that.. I only have one GSA $, with its original Nixon "COA" and black box, graded by NGC, who puts a holygram strip around the entire GSA slab.. IMO, that's the RIGHT way to get those things graded.. those slabs are history, and should not be smashed / destroyed.. I'd like to see PCGS certify and grade them the same way NGC does..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Can anyone say "20th Anniversary Set"??????
And tell me how much a Regular Proof $50 Gold 1 oz Eagle goes for in MS70 with 20th Anniv labeling vs non- 20th Anniv labeling.........? HUGE premium.....HUGE.......
So dont discount the fact that a service can do whatever they want.........if it brings in the bucks......
Excellent point in regard to the invoice. Looks like I AM sure it'll get opened now, just for removal of the invoice. Thanks, Nitro!
<< <i>Don't most people put a return address on the shipped item anyway? >>
Sure, but while some folks might have thier mint products shipped to a home address, they might use a different one when then sell. With everything that seems to happen these days, I'd be leary of sending my home address out to a person unknown to me. Someone might want to try and "shop" when I'm not home. If your invoice has a PO box on it there is less to worry about. Of course, everyone should use their own good judgment.
<< <i>Not sure the only bad thing is the original box is not very conducive to safe flipping. The set is itself not in its own box just a white sleeve and your invoice is in there too, not sure if you want a potential customer to have your address. Besides no FS on these. These coins were released earlier this year. If you sell it unopened, the buyer could swap the coins out with poor examples and say that's what was in there when they checked to see if the merchandise was there. Who'd be the wiser? I'd open it.
Excellent point in regard to the invoice. Looks like I AM sure it'll get opened now, just for removal of the invoice. Thanks, Nitro! >>
The solution to this is simple: Keep the set sealed (it is worth more to me and many other prospective buyers) and get a PO BOX. So what if someone has your PO Box on the invoice.
They already have the same info if you sell it on ebay or mail the item to them with a return address.
It amazes me that some collectors continue to have valuable and thief sensitive coins sent to their domiciles!
Do you really want to advertise your collection and choices???
Miles
Just my 2 cents.......I would not sell anything unopened on ebay......period!
I would not hesitate to sell unopened on the BST !
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Excellent point in regard to the invoice. Looks like I AM sure it'll get opened now, just for removal of the invoice. Thanks, Nitro! >>
No problem! If you were sending them in for grading that would be different. IMO if I were buying I'd want to see the coins first, since they were previously available. Too easily to fake a mailing label these days.
Pity the mint doesn't use the same packing method like they do for rolls (sealed white box inside the mailing box) for all their products. I guess that would reduce profits.
<< <i> The solution to this is simple: Keep the set sealed (it is worth more to me and many other prospective buyers) and get a PO BOX. So what if someone has your PO Box on the invoice.
They already have the same info if you sell it on ebay or mail the item to them with a return address.
It amazes me that some collectors continue to have valuable and thief sensitive coins sent to their domiciles!
Do you really want to advertise your collection and choices???
Miles >>
Great advice for the PO box Miles. But, I'm sure for some collectors this might not be feasible for whatever reason (long distance to the post office, rarely buys coins shipped by mail, etc). For me, my wife is always home, so I prefer the stuff comes here. That said, everything I buy is for my personal collection, never flipped a single coin (nothing against those that do). Not to say I won't sell sometime, my kids are grown and have no interest whatsoever.
Another potential issue for some might be the size of the exterior mailing packaging. In this case (the Lincoln C&C set) the box is at least 500% larger than set itself. Unless you're selling them as fast as you get them, or have a warehouse, these boxes take up some serious room over time, even for guys like me that reduce it down to its basic interior box. If I kept it all in the original mailing boxes, it would easily fill a room by now. That's not good for security either. The alternative is to slab everything.
<< <i>If I sold a sealed US Mint box, I would not accept returns if the buyer had opened it, >>
No problem. You do not take the coins back but PayPal would still credit the buyer with his money (formerly yours) back
Well said.........on ebay there is no such thing as "no returns"..........because that's the way they want it......you still have the right to put it in your auction, but "no returns" is a figment of your imagination on ebay.
I DO save US Mint shipping boxes for sending out eBay items which, for one reason or another, I can't use USPS Priority Mail boxes, like when they're going International, or Parcel Post, or First Class Parcel..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>The turtle to which they strapped my Lincoln Set on 21 Oct., 2009, pointed him in my general direction, and gave him a gentle nudge.. finally made it to CA.. the mailman might actually deliver it tomorrow depending on when the turtle gets to the main branch where they load his truck.. assuming he doesn't stop off on the way at Fawlty Towers, for a gourmet luncheon of fried Hippopotamus in Suitcase Sauce.. with a Waldorf Salad.. >>
Looking forward to a Harv LC&C assessment once in his literary hands!!!!
<< <i>I wonder who will own the most sets in a year from now, and will they be worth the price of silver or gold ? >>
The answer is.........ME when I offer 750.00 a set to forum members on october 32nd.Check the BST forum
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<< <i>I wonder who will own the most sets in a year from now, and will they be worth the price of silver or gold ? >>
The answer is.........ME when I offer 750.00 a set to forum members on october 32nd.Check the BST forum
Don't you mean on April 1?
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
darn droopy wish I thought of that first
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<< <i>If I sold a sealed US Mint box, I would not accept returns if the buyer had opened it, >>
No problem. You do not take the coins back but PayPal would still credit the buyer with his money (formerly yours) back >>
Paypal would find in your favor if you told them the set was returned open and this reduced the value and made it "unsaleable" at the price paid. Paypal would want a 3rd party opinion from an "expert" in the field. I have provide this letter to paypal as the 3rd party expert on 2 occasions. --Jerry
<< <i> Paypal would find in your favor if you told them the set was returned open and this reduced the value and made it "unsaleable" at the price paid >>
Respectfully disagree......So I could ship a box with anything in it and then win the PayPal case because the buyer opened it and found an ASE instead of a Chronicles set ???
I think it would be under the "Not as described" banner....unopened box (check), Chronicles set inside (nope) ...money refunded
You COULD win the case if you sold it as "Unopened box from the US Mint....MAY have 2009 Chronicles Set inside"
I'm sure you would get moon money for that one
edited to add: What kind of opinion would a 3rd party have?? "Yup, It is my expert opinion that there was a Chronicle Set inside....How do I know??? Because I am a sealed box expert and I know about these things"
edit: I don't worry about or respond to the hypotheicals, "What if an unscrupulous seller send a box or rocks or a slimeball buyer returned an envelope full of hay?"
Ord # 33174XXX shipped TODAY. It comes at the perfect time, just when the sets are starting to fetch more and more. By the time I receive my 2nd set, they should be well in the $200-$250 range.
<< <i>Well, looks like SOME of those that ordered with the same billing address flew under the radar. At least mine did.
Ord # 33174XXX shipped TODAY. It comes at the perfect time, just when the sets are starting to fetch more and more. By the time I receive my 2nd set, they should be well in the $200-$250 range. >>
Same billing on 2 here.
Order Date: 10/15/2009 at 03:07 PM
Was handed off from fedex to my post office this morning
and just now delivered to me.
<< <i>33191xxx
Order Date: 10/15/2009 at 03:07 PM
Was handed off from fedex to my post office this morning
and just now delivered to me. >>
Order Date: 10/15/2009 at 12:12 PM ET
Tracking page says handed off from Fedex to USPS very early this morning, but does not say arrived at my USPS Main Branch yet.. so I don't know if it made it onto my mailman's truck or not.. won't know until he shows up in a few hours, either with it, or without it..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
33173xxx
<< <i>I cannot wait for this baby.
Half the fun is trying to fight the other buyers.
This one will sell out in 24 hours!!!!
Not quite 24 hours but close. According to the mint this item was sold out in about 30 hours after it went on sale.
Can anyone say ka-ching$$$$$$$.
I have 4 of them with a little help from my friends, and hope to make a good chunk of change by selling 3 on the bay.
I will wait a little while to sell because I've seen the price go up since they sold out. They are up to $170.00+ on ebay lately.
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Oct 26, 2009 1:10 AMDeparted FedEx locationEDISON, NJ
Oct 26, 2009 12:00 AMShipment information sent to USPSKEARNY, NJ
Oct 24, 2009 2:30 AMArrived at FedEx locationEDISON, NJ
Oct 22, 2009 9:03 PMDeparted FedEx locationGROVE CITY, OH
Oct 22, 2009 12:54 PMArrived at FedEx locationGROVE CITY, OH
Oct 22, 2009 1:32 AMDeparted FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN
Oct 21, 2009 10:51 PMArrived at FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN
Oct 21, 2009 3:55 PMShipment information sent to FedEx
By David C. Harper, Numismatic News
October 26, 2009
The Lincoln Coin and Chronicles set sold out less than two days after it went on sale at noon Eastern time Oct. 15. A rapid sellout was anticipated by me and probably everyone else who has the slightest interest in new Mint issues.
Included in the set is a proof example of the Lincoln commemorative silver dollar plus proof examples of each of the four Lincoln cent designs for this year. The cents are struck in a 95 percent copper, 3 percent zinc and 2 percent tin alloy, the same as was used in the first Lincoln cents in 1909.
Production of the Lincoln Coin and Chronicles sets was limited to 50,000. This doesn’t mean the coins have mintages of 50,000. They don’t. Another 325,000 proof Lincoln dollars were sold individually in the spring. Proof Lincoln cents can be purchased in this year’s clad proof set, silver proof set and in their own four-coin set. Mintage of the four proof Lincoln cents will be at least 2 million when all is said and done, judging from present sales numbers on the Mint Statistics page. None of the coins in the set can be considered to be truly scarce.
But never underestimate the popularity of Lincoln coins with collectors. Most of us cut our hobby teeth on Lincoln cents. We are attached to the very idea of Lincoln cents being popular. It’s a numismatic equivalent of teenagers rushing to show up at the right place and be seen with the right crowd.
Lincoln is what we hobbyists do. We may be groupies, but we are historically knowledgeable ones.
Even though collectors can do the mintage math that I just did, there is no doubt in my mind that the last little prod pushing buyers into action that caused the Mint Web site to crash for a while and telephone orders to back up for a time was the 50,000 maximum sales total. That was a flashing yellow warning light. That makes the set seem scarcer and more desirable. The one set order limit further enhanced the set’s appeal.
Collectors acted and acted fast.
When the United States Mint Braille Education Set became available Oct. 1, collectors yawned. The set is still being offered three weeks after it first went on sale, even though the sales maximum is just half of that for Lincoln: 25,000.
Many resisted clicking to the Mint’s Web site, or dashing to the phone to buy one. In fact, only 5,996 of these sets were sold in the first 18 days. There is a chance it won’t sell out at all.
Why doesn’t use of a sales maximum always work and entice collectors into causing sellout after sellout? With perfect knowledge, perhaps numbers could be perfectly adjusted to cause sellouts, but we don’t live in a perfect world. In this case, history is the reason one sold out and the other has not done so. Lincoln is widely known. Braille much less so.
But it is with these less popular sets that long-term value lurks. Their lower initial sales often spell long-term opportunity. Just look at the 1997 Jackie Robinson mintage figures to show what happens to coins when initial sales drag. It is the coins and the sets that languish during initial sales often that have enhanced values as the years go by. What that means today is sell Lincoln and hold the Braille.
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<< <i> What that means today is sell Lincoln and hold the Braille.
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I'm surprised no one jumped on that statement.
<< <i>The fedex page never showed post office received it. Just that info was transfered to PO and item left fedex.
Oct 26, 2009 1:10 AMDeparted FedEx locationEDISON, NJ
Oct 26, 2009 12:00 AMShipment information sent to USPSKEARNY, NJ
Oct 24, 2009 2:30 AMArrived at FedEx locationEDISON, NJ
Oct 22, 2009 9:03 PMDeparted FedEx locationGROVE CITY, OH
Oct 22, 2009 12:54 PMArrived at FedEx locationGROVE CITY, OH
Oct 22, 2009 1:32 AMDeparted FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN
Oct 21, 2009 10:51 PMArrived at FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN
Oct 21, 2009 3:55 PMShipment information sent to FedEx >>
Here's how mine ended up coming out of Indianapolis, keep in mind Joe and I live about 30 miles apart.
Oct 24, 2009 5:31 AMDeparted FedEx locationEDISON, NJ
Oct 24, 2009 12:00 AMShipment information sent to USPSEAST BRUNSWICK, NJ
Oct 23, 2009 4:29 PMArrived at FedEx locationEDISON, NJ
Oct 23, 2009 4:48 AMDeparted FedEx locationMARTINSBURG, WV
Oct 22, 2009 5:21 PMArrived at FedEx locationMARTINSBURG, WV
Oct 22, 2009 1:32 AMDeparted FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN
Oct 21, 2009 9:39 PMArrived at FedEx locationINDIANAPOLIS, IN
Oct 21, 2009 3:55 PMShipment information sent to FedEx
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How many of the Edison Silver $ sets in the fancy blue box with a bright LED inside did they sell a few years ago?.. I bought one of those.. dragged it out last week and opened the lid.. the blub she'a no light up any more.. battery conked out, I guess, and I don't remember if it takes a common AA or AAA, or one of those goofy button batteries.. I'll have to drag it out again and check, because I remember it saying the battery was replaceable.. are those going for moon money?.. Was the "Mintage" really low?.. I don't remember..
Which reminds me of the (no longer sold).. Pink Floyd "PULSE" Double CD set that came in a cardboard long-box with a hardbound book, with a flashing red LED peeking out one side of the box.. that thing takes one or two AAs or AAAs and they ARE easy to replace.. but I digress..
And that's it from me, on location, waiting for the mailman.. back to you in the studio, Walter.. err.. Dan.. err.. Connie.. err.. what's her name..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>How many of the Edison Silver $ sets in the fancy blue box with a bright LED inside did they sell a few years ago?.. I bought one of those.. dragged it out last week and opened the lid.. the blub she'a no light up any more.. battery conked out, I guess, and I don't remember if it takes a common AA or AAA, or one of those goofy button batteries.. I'll have to drag it out again and check, because I remember it saying the battery was replaceable.. are those going for moon money?.. Was the "Mintage" really low?.. I don't remember.. >>
Available on eBay (no my auction) for $45.99 + $8.95 shipping
According to the listing, 25,000 sold, takes 3 x #AG13 batteries. So much for the value of packaging rarities for rarity's sake. Then again, Edison was no Lincoln.
For what it's worth, I like the reverse of the Edison coin ...
Whatever you are, be a good one. ---- Abraham Lincoln
Apples and Oranges, IMO..
Without Thomas Alva Edison, we wouldn't have.. well, you know what we wouldn't have.. sure.. someone else might have come along and invented and patented everything he did.. there might be another Abe Lincoln or Thomas Edison lying in a crib somewhere, sucking on a bottle, for all we know.. some future research scientist who will someday develop a cure for cancer.. or invent faster-than-light travel.. some future politician who will finally rid the world of all nukes.. who knows.. I don't.. you don't.. nobody does..
Watch the film "Edison, the Man" starring Spencer Tracy, the next time TCM runs it..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>some future politician who will finally rid the world of all nukes.. who knows.. I don't.. you don't.. nobody does.. >>
Let's just hope he/she doesn't get rid of them by using them!
I'm surprised no one jumped on that statement.
Sell the Lincoln while it's hot, esp. if it climbs to $250+
The Braille? Recommended only for the blind, or dumb.