The proof cents have an S mint mark. The Lincoln dollar has a P mint mark.
Here are some pics. I hope someone hasn't already done this (besides the mint ).
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Wow, sold it already for BIN $129 with free shipping...I'm sure you gotta happy buyer... Don't forget, there's a BST board here, woulda saved on the fees...
It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commemorate.
The following quote is taken from "Lincoln" by Philip B. Kunhardt, Jr., Philip B. Kunhardt III, and Peter W. Kunhardt'
THE GREATEST MAN SINCE ST. PAUL
In his 1888 biography of Lincoln, Noah Brooks quoted an eyewitness of Lincoln's Cooper Union address.
When Lincoln rose to speak, I was greatly disappointed. He was tall, oh, how tall! And so angular and awkward that I had, for an instant, a feeling of pity for so ungainly a man. His clothes were black and ill-fitting, badly wrinkled, as if they had been jammed carelessly into a small trunk. His bushy head, with the stiff black hair thrown back, was balanced on a long and lean head-stalk, and when he raised his hands in an opening gesture, I noticed that they were very large. He began in a low tone of voice, as if he were used to speaking outdoors and was afraid of speaking too loud. He said "Mr. Cheerman," instead of "Mr. Chairman,"and employed many other words with an old fashioned pronunciation. I said to myself: "Old fellow, you won't do; it's all very well for the wild West, but this is New York." But pretty soon he began to get into his subject; he straightened up, made regular and graceful gestures; his face lighted as with an inward fire; the whole man was transfigured. I forgot his clothes, his personal appearance, and his individual peculiarities. Presently, forgetting myself, I was on my feet with the rest, yelling like a wild Indian, cheering this wonderful man. In the close parts of his argument, you could hear the gentle sizzling of the gas burners. When he reached a climax, the thunders of applause were terrific. It was a great speech. When I came out of the hall, my face glowing with excitement and my frame all a-quiver, a friend, with his eyes aglow, asked me what I thought of Abe Lincoln, the rail splitter. I said: "He's the greatest man since St. Paul." And I think so yet.
<< <i>It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commerate.
The following quote is taken from "Lincoln" by Philip B. Kunhardt, Jr., Philip B. Kunhardt III, and Peter W. Kunhardt'
THE GREATEST MAN SINCE ST. PAUL
In his 1888 biography of Lincoln, Noah Brooks quoted an eyewitness of Lincoln's Cooper Union address.
When Lincoln rose to speak, I was greatly disappointed. He was tall, oh, how tall! And so angular and awkward that I had, for an instant, a feeling of pity for so ungainly a man. His clothes were black and ill-fitting, badly wrinkled, as if they had been jammed carelessly into a small trunk. His bushy head, with the stiff black hair thrown back, was balanced on a long and lean head-stalk, and when he raised his hands in an opening gesture, I noticed that they were very large. He began in a low tone of voice, as if he were used to speaking outdoors and was afraid of speaking too loud. He said "Mr. Cheerman," instead of "Mr. Chairman,"and employed many other words with an old fashioned pronunciation. I said to myself: "Old fellow, you won't do; it's all very well for the wild West, but this is New York." But pretty soon he began to get into his subject; he straightened up, made regular and graceful gestures; his face lighted as with an inward fire; the whole man was transfigured. I forgot his clothes, his personal appearance, and his individual peculiarities. Presently, forgetting myself, I was on my feet with the rest, yelling like a wild Indian, cheering this wonderful man. In the close parts of his argument, you could hear the gentle sizzling of the gas burners. When he reached a climax, the thunders of applause were terrific. It was a great speech. When I came out of the hall, my face glowing with excitement and my frame all a-quiver, a friend, with his eyes aglow, asked me what I thought of Abe Lincoln, the rail splitter. I said: "He's the greatest man since St. Paul." And I think so yet.
<< <i>It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commerate.
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If you've never seen it, try to catch "Abe Lincoln in Illinois", starrying Raymond Massey.. (for which he was nominated, but did not win the Best Actor Oscar)..
TCM shows it now and then.. although it's not currently scheduled.. it's a wonderful old film, mostly about Lincoln's early years, up to his election as President.. Massey is spectacular..
Lincoln still comes in at #1 in virtually every "Who was our greatest President?" poll..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>If you've never seen it, try to catch "Abe Lincoln in Illinois", starrying Raymond Massey.. (for which he was nominated, but did not win the Best Actor Oscar). >>
Wonder how Liam Neeson will do as Lincoln in Steven Spielberg's upcoming biopic?
Me at the Springfield coin show: 60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commerate.
The following quote is taken from "Lincoln" by Philip B. Kunhardt, Jr., Philip B. Kunhardt III, and Peter W. Kunhardt'
THE GREATEST MAN SINCE ST. PAUL
In his 1888 biography of Lincoln, Noah Brooks quoted an eyewitness of Lincoln's Cooper Union address.
When Lincoln rose to speak, I was greatly disappointed. He was tall, oh, how tall! And so angular and awkward that I had, for an instant, a feeling of pity for so ungainly a man. His clothes were black and ill-fitting, badly wrinkled, as if they had been jammed carelessly into a small trunk. His bushy head, with the stiff black hair thrown back, was balanced on a long and lean head-stalk, and when he raised his hands in an opening gesture, I noticed that they were very large. He began in a low tone of voice, as if he were used to speaking outdoors and was afraid of speaking too loud. He said "Mr. Cheerman," instead of "Mr. Chairman,"and employed many other words with an old fashioned pronunciation. I said to myself: "Old fellow, you won't do; it's all very well for the wild West, but this is New York." But pretty soon he began to get into his subject; he straightened up, made regular and graceful gestures; his face lighted as with an inward fire; the whole man was transfigured. I forgot his clothes, his personal appearance, and his individual peculiarities. Presently, forgetting myself, I was on my feet with the rest, yelling like a wild Indian, cheering this wonderful man. In the close parts of his argument, you could hear the gentle sizzling of the gas burners. When he reached a climax, the thunders of applause were terrific. It was a great speech. When I came out of the hall, my face glowing with excitement and my frame all a-quiver, a friend, with his eyes aglow, asked me what I thought of Abe Lincoln, the rail splitter. I said: "He's the greatest man since St. Paul." And I think so yet.
My set, ordered under my Mint account, was shipped on the 20th (no expedited shipping). My second set, ordered under the 'guest' option, is still 'in process'. It WAS on hold for 24 hours, which whigged me out a bit. I thought they were going to cancel it, as it has the same billing address as my account order (used 2 different CC's, but same billing address), and for awhile, I really thought they may crack down and axe anyone trying to get more than one. It looks like the Mint, regardless of billing address, considers different shipping addresses as different households, and just lets it ride.
<< <i>My set, ordered under my Mint account, was shipped on the 20th (no expedited shipping). My second set, ordered under the 'guest' option, is still 'in process'. It WAS on hold for 24 hours, which whigged me out a bit. I thought they were going to cancel it, as it has the same billing address as my account order (used 2 different CC's, but same billing address), and for awhile, I really thought they may crack down and axe anyone trying to get more than one. It looks like the Mint, regardless of billing address, considers different shipping addresses as different households, and just lets it ride. >>
<< <i>I finally got confirmation that the Mint has mailed my set at 4:00 p.m. this afternoon. I did not purchase one until 11 p.m. on the day they went on sale. So I ordered mine 11 hours after they went on sale and it was mailed today. Hopefully everyone else will get what they ordered. >>
<< <i>do the "in process" accounts ""order a lot"" ?? were there other things ordered at the same time on those two orders? new credit card?
other than the above: obviously they've made mistakes >>
They (edited to add: the MINT) have made a mistake! Not a big deal, I think these sets will go up with prices later on, so it may be better to hold on for a little while. I just sold one to a big eBay seller for $169, he should know the business better than me for buying it at that price. I only need to sell a couple to cover my expenses.
Highest eBay prices for a single set, meaning it sold for this much, that I can find..
Edited / Revised.. see below..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<<My set, ordered under my Mint account, was shipped on the 20th (no expedited shipping). My second set, ordered under the 'guest' option, is still 'in process'. It WAS on hold for 24 hours, which whigged me out a bit. I thought they were going to cancel it, as it has the same billing address as my account order (used 2 different CC's, but same billing address), and for awhile, I really thought they may crack down and axe anyone trying to get more than one. It looks like the Mint, regardless of billing address, considers different shipping addresses as different households, and just lets it ride. >>
Good luck, my wife order two sets with different cc's (same billing address) shipped to two different addresses, both were canceled.
<< <i>Have you checked for any errors? extra thumbs, etc.? >>
The only thing that I thought might be unusual was the thickness of the rims on the obverse of the cents. For all I know that is a normal thing for a proof lincoln.
Sorry no pics of the obverse of the cents, because the set is on the way to the new owner.
<< <i><<My set, ordered under my Mint account, was shipped on the 20th (no expedited shipping). My second set, ordered under the 'guest' option, is still 'in process'. It WAS on hold for 24 hours, which whigged me out a bit. I thought they were going to cancel it, as it has the same billing address as my account order (used 2 different CC's, but same billing address), and for awhile, I really thought they may crack down and axe anyone trying to get more than one. It looks like the Mint, regardless of billing address, considers different shipping addresses as different households, and just lets it ride. >>
Good luck, my wife order two sets with different cc's (same billing address) shipped to two different addresses, both were canceled. >>
I've had orders cancelled using the same technique - different CC's, different shipping addy's, but same name (mine) on billing account. Then I tried different billing address... same result. They're sneaky that way (sneakier than me)...
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<< <i><<My set, ordered under my Mint account, was shipped on the 20th (no expedited shipping). My second set, ordered under the 'guest' option, is still 'in process'. It WAS on hold for 24 hours, which whigged me out a bit. I thought they were going to cancel it, as it has the same billing address as my account order (used 2 different CC's, but same billing address), and for awhile, I really thought they may crack down and axe anyone trying to get more than one. It looks like the Mint, regardless of billing address, considers different shipping addresses as different households, and just lets it ride. >>
Good luck, my wife order two sets with different cc's (same billing address) shipped to two different addresses, both were canceled. >>
I've had orders cancelled using the same technique - different CC's, different shipping addy's, but same name (mine) on billing account. Then I tried different billing address... same result. They're sneaky that way (sneakier than me)... >>
Once you have been caught then your accounts are linked. Happened to me years ago and deleted the accounts and created new accounts with different cc's, different addresses and (zipcodes), different billing addresses, phone numbers....everything is different except my name. So far so good. 3 ordered, 3 shipped in this round
Dont know if this makes a difference, but using a dynamic IP addresses I open new windows for each purchase.
I've had orders cancelled using the same technique - different CC's, different shipping addy's, but same name (mine) on billing account. Then I tried different billing address... same result. They're sneaky that way (sneakier than me)...
Besides different CC's, different shipping addresses and different billing addresses, you need to have different email addresses for each order. Same name matters not.
<< <i>It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commemorate.
The following quote is taken from "Lincoln" by Philip B. Kunhardt, Jr., Philip B. Kunhardt III, and Peter W. Kunhardt'
THE GREATEST MAN SINCE ST. PAUL
In his 1888 biography of Lincoln, Noah Brooks quoted an eyewitness of Lincoln's Cooper Union address.
When Lincoln rose to speak, I was greatly disappointed. He was tall, oh, how tall! And so angular and awkward that I had, for an instant, a feeling of pity for so ungainly a man. His clothes were black and ill-fitting, badly wrinkled, as if they had been jammed carelessly into a small trunk. His bushy head, with the stiff black hair thrown back, was balanced on a long and lean head-stalk, and when he raised his hands in an opening gesture, I noticed that they were very large. He began in a low tone of voice, as if he were used to speaking outdoors and was afraid of speaking too loud. He said "Mr. Cheerman," instead of "Mr. Chairman,"and employed many other words with an old fashioned pronunciation. I said to myself: "Old fellow, you won't do; it's all very well for the wild West, but this is New York." But pretty soon he began to get into his subject; he straightened up, made regular and graceful gestures; his face lighted as with an inward fire; the whole man was transfigured. I forgot his clothes, his personal appearance, and his individual peculiarities. Presently, forgetting myself, I was on my feet with the rest, yelling like a wild Indian, cheering this wonderful man. In the close parts of his argument, you could hear the gentle sizzling of the gas burners. When he reached a climax, the thunders of applause were terrific. It was a great speech. When I came out of the hall, my face glowing with excitement and my frame all a-quiver, a friend, with his eyes aglow, asked me what I thought of Abe Lincoln, the rail splitter. I said: "He's the greatest man since St. Paul." And I think so yet.
Me too brother, me too. >>
Wow, that was awesome. thanks for sharing that!
What Mr. Spock would say about numismatics... ... "Fascinating, but not logical"
For those of you who are Tracking, or wondering about eBay prices.. a modification of my post from yesterday..
Highest eBay prices for a single set, meaning it sold for this much, that I can find..
$349.95 - 15 Oct.. $319.00 - 22 Oct.. <-- take this one off.. I just checked again and it was for 2 sets.. $299.00 - 21 Oct..
using search for Lincoln coin chron*
If a seller misspells "Lincoln" (I've seen it done).. or "Chronicles" (I've seen then done too).. then they won't show up in a keyword search for "Lincoln coin chron*" (sans quotes)..
The AVERAGE selling price for a single set SEEMS to be in the $150.00 to $180.00 range, give or take.. the bottom SEEMS to be $129.00-ish.. there are so many of them listed and sold that it'd take the better part of a day to analyze price curves, trends, pre-sales vs. in-hand sales, and so on.. and I'm not gonna do it..
Still, the highest price I can find for a single set, barring any misspellings, is STILL the one that pre-sold for $349.95, with a "Best Offer", forty minutes after they went on-sale..
Looking at the bidding history.. it appears the seller offered three of them as "Buy it Now" for $349.95 or "Best Offer" in the same listing.. the first two pre-sold for $169.95 on 14 October, 2009, the day BEFORE they went on sale.. i.e., he took a Best Offer of $169.95.. then, then next day, someone came along and bought his third pre-sale outright for $349.95.. and that's still the record, high price for a single set that I can find..
As far as current listings go.. the prices are all over the place.. from true auctions starting at one cent, to true auctions starting at $500.00.. along with some overly-optimistic sellers with Buy it Now prices as high as $750.00.. a goulash of pre-sales, to sealed-box / in-hand, to opened box / in-hand..
So what I can deduce from all of this is that a single set is selling for anywhere from $130.00 to $350.00.. with a LOT of them going for about $200.00..
Meanwhile..
My set still Tracks as "Left Indianapolis, IN" on 21 October, 2009, with an estimated delivery date of 28 October, 2009.. My 2009 Mint Set, on the same order, shipped on 16 October, 2009, and is somewhere in Calif., with an estimated delivery date of 26 October, 2009.. ten days!?.. ridiculous..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
I've been feeding him information from this and other CU threads, along with the story of my own personal ordering experience, and he quoted me in his piece..
{{twirling finger in the air}}..
No big deal.. I've been quoted in coin magazines before.. I entered NN's "Your best coin story" contest for their 50nd Anniversary issue a couple years ago.. First Prize was a $20.00 Gold Liberty.. nine second prizes, a 2007 ASE.. just the regular issue ASE.. in a flip.. Denis Loring, who just happens to be on PCGS's panel of experts won the Gold.. I was one of the nine runners-up who won an ASE.. the contest had about fifty entrants.. something like that.. I THINK every entry was published, but most folks didn't win spit.. the issue was a keeper, since it included a reproduction of their very first issue.. I've got the ASE sitting here in the flip it came in, and it's starting to tone a bit.. (mylar flip, not PVC)..
I worked on that essay for almost two days, and thought it was better than Loring's.. but whaddya gonna do..
NN has another essay contest running, with a bizarre Gold coin as top prize.. I'll probably enter that one too.. although that "Poppy" coin must be *tiny* if it's only worth fifty bucks..
Disclaimer: I do not work for Krause, Numismatic News, or any of their affiliates, associates, or any entity connected with or related to or owned by them..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
i think its just a matter of time before the price shoots up on these, the way i figure it is that about 20,000 will automatically be taken off the market by people who want to keep this set for the long term. Another 10 to 20 thousand will probably only sell at moon money levels, leaving only about 10 thousand sets for immediate resale. I belive once the initial batch of flippers cashes out and the sets are placed into hands of long term collectors(this is one of those sets) than there is no where to go but up.The lp1 sets were released at twice the number and look at the prices on those. just my .02 cents, that and 2.48 will get you a gallon of gas
<< <i>i think its just a matter of time before the price shoots up on these, the way i figure it is that about 20,000 will automatically be taken off the market by people who want to keep this set for the long term. Another 10 to 20 thousand will probably only sell at moon money levels, leaving only about 10 thousand sets for immediate resale. I belive once the initial batch of flippers cashes out and the sets are placed into hands of long term collectors(this is one of those sets) than there is no where to go but up.The lp1 sets were released at twice the number and look at the prices on those. just my .02 cents, that and 2.48 will get you a gallon of gas >>
I agree with your assessment, once the initial flipper batch ends up with long term holders then prices really go up. I've watched prices on ebay and more importantly I'm tracking the number of new listings each day. Prices are already gradually going up. The reason why I'm paying close attention is because I might sink a few grand into some sets and I plan on dollar cost averaging only if prices continue to rise.
<< <i>My brother ordered a set Sunday the 18th (on the waiting list) and it is "In Stock and Reserved".
If he gets THAT set we can be sure more than 50,000 are shipping out................... >>
IF The Mint held back 50,000 Proof Lincoln $s for these sets, then unless someone seriously lied about the original Mintage figures and sales figures of Proofs and Uncs., there can't possibly be more than 50,000 of these sets shipping out.. UNLESS a lot of the original single Proofs were returned.. and then went into additional Lincoln sets to push the number produced / sold / shipped above 50,000.. anything's possible, but I can't see any other scenario whereby more than 50,000 sets were made, sold, and shipped..
As you know, 500,000 Lincoln $s were authorized by law.. if more than 50,000 Coin and Chronicles sets were assembled, sold, and shipped, then The Mint ignored the coin's authorizing legislation, and in doing so, broke the law.. (an agency of the US Gubmint breaking the law!? Impossible!.. uh-huh..)..
I ASSume that with each new issue.. whether it's circulation strikes, or collector coins, there were die trials, mis-strikes, obvious errors, and such that were destroyed / melted.. no idea how many blanks destined to be Lincoln $s they slam through the presses before they begin production of the ones they sell.. but, by law, 500,000 is SUPPOSED to mean exactly that..
You'd have to file a Freedom of Information Act request with The Mint (which was done by someone here to get a true accounting of the 08/07 ASEs.. at no small expense to file it).. to get the real numbers..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
The mailman just handed me my "U09" 2009 Mint Set, ordered on the same order as my Lincoln Set.. this estimated delivery information on the order Tracking page is exactly that.. ESTIMATED.. the Mint Set, shipped out on 16 October, 2009, and was estimated for delivery on 26 Oct., 2009.. it was just handed to me three days earlier than that.. my Lincoln Set shipped out on 21 Oct., 2009, and is estimated delivery on 28 Oct., 2009.. we'll see.. I'm busy doing other crap, so I didn't open the inner box and inspect the Mint set yet.. besides the obvious (missing / doubled edge lettering and such), are there any wonderfully valuable errors I should look for, which, of course, won't be in there?..
When I ordered the 2008 Mint Sets in these new laminated cardboard folders with the individual "lenses" holding the coins, one of those folders was not properly glued together, and the resulting gap yielded me a set with coins literally falling out of it, which I had to return on MY dime (hah).. for a replacement.. I'm almost afraid to open this box and see if I have to go through that ordeal again..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
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<< <i>I got mine today (expedited shipping).
The proof cents have an S mint mark. The Lincoln dollar has a P mint mark.
Here are some pics. I hope someone hasn't already done this (besides the mint
Wow, sold it already for BIN $129 with free shipping...I'm sure you gotta happy buyer...
The following quote is taken from "Lincoln" by Philip B. Kunhardt, Jr., Philip B. Kunhardt III, and Peter W. Kunhardt'
THE GREATEST MAN SINCE ST. PAUL
In his 1888 biography of Lincoln, Noah Brooks quoted an eyewitness of Lincoln's Cooper Union address.
When Lincoln rose to speak, I was greatly disappointed. He was tall, oh, how tall! And so angular and awkward that I had, for an instant, a feeling of pity for so ungainly a man. His clothes were black and ill-fitting, badly wrinkled, as if they had been jammed carelessly into a small trunk. His bushy head, with the stiff black hair thrown back, was balanced on a long and lean head-stalk, and when he raised his hands in an opening gesture, I noticed that they were very large. He began in a low tone of voice, as if he were used to speaking outdoors and was afraid of speaking too loud. He said "Mr. Cheerman," instead of "Mr. Chairman,"and employed many other words with an old fashioned pronunciation. I said to myself: "Old fellow, you won't do; it's all very well for the wild West, but this is New York." But pretty soon he began to get into his subject; he straightened up, made regular and graceful gestures; his face lighted as with an inward fire; the whole man was transfigured. I forgot his clothes, his personal appearance, and his individual peculiarities. Presently, forgetting myself, I was on my feet with the rest, yelling like a wild Indian, cheering this wonderful man. In the close parts of his argument, you could hear the gentle sizzling of the gas burners. When he reached a climax, the thunders of applause were terrific. It was a great speech. When I came out of the hall, my face glowing with excitement and my frame all a-quiver, a friend, with his eyes aglow, asked me what I thought of Abe Lincoln, the rail splitter. I said: "He's the greatest man since St. Paul." And I think so yet.
Me too brother, me too.
<< <i>It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commerate.
The following quote is taken from "Lincoln" by Philip B. Kunhardt, Jr., Philip B. Kunhardt III, and Peter W. Kunhardt'
THE GREATEST MAN SINCE ST. PAUL
In his 1888 biography of Lincoln, Noah Brooks quoted an eyewitness of Lincoln's Cooper Union address.
When Lincoln rose to speak, I was greatly disappointed. He was tall, oh, how tall! And so angular and awkward that I had, for an instant, a feeling of pity for so ungainly a man. His clothes were black and ill-fitting, badly wrinkled, as if they had been jammed carelessly into a small trunk. His bushy head, with the stiff black hair thrown back, was balanced on a long and lean head-stalk, and when he raised his hands in an opening gesture, I noticed that they were very large. He began in a low tone of voice, as if he were used to speaking outdoors and was afraid of speaking too loud. He said "Mr. Cheerman," instead of "Mr. Chairman,"and employed many other words with an old fashioned pronunciation. I said to myself: "Old fellow, you won't do; it's all very well for the wild West, but this is New York." But pretty soon he began to get into his subject; he straightened up, made regular and graceful gestures; his face lighted as with an inward fire; the whole man was transfigured. I forgot his clothes, his personal appearance, and his individual peculiarities. Presently, forgetting myself, I was on my feet with the rest, yelling like a wild Indian, cheering this wonderful man. In the close parts of his argument, you could hear the gentle sizzling of the gas burners. When he reached a climax, the thunders of applause were terrific. It was a great speech. When I came out of the hall, my face glowing with excitement and my frame all a-quiver, a friend, with his eyes aglow, asked me what I thought of Abe Lincoln, the rail splitter. I said: "He's the greatest man since St. Paul." And I think so yet.
Me too. >>
Great story, Curly.....thanks for sharing!!
Thank you for the photos. This is indeed a beautiful set.
The Beatles
<< <i>It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commerate.
>>
If you've never seen it, try to catch "Abe Lincoln in Illinois", starrying Raymond Massey.. (for which he was nominated, but did not win the Best Actor Oscar)..
TCM shows it now and then.. although it's not currently scheduled.. it's a wonderful old film, mostly about Lincoln's early years, up to his election as President.. Massey is spectacular..
Lincoln still comes in at #1 in virtually every "Who was our greatest President?" poll..
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- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>If you've never seen it, try to catch "Abe Lincoln in Illinois", starrying Raymond Massey.. (for which he was nominated, but did not win the Best Actor Oscar). >>
Wonder how Liam Neeson will do as Lincoln in Steven Spielberg's upcoming biopic?
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
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<< <i>It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commerate.
The following quote is taken from "Lincoln" by Philip B. Kunhardt, Jr., Philip B. Kunhardt III, and Peter W. Kunhardt'
THE GREATEST MAN SINCE ST. PAUL
In his 1888 biography of Lincoln, Noah Brooks quoted an eyewitness of Lincoln's Cooper Union address.
When Lincoln rose to speak, I was greatly disappointed. He was tall, oh, how tall! And so angular and awkward that I had, for an instant, a feeling of pity for so ungainly a man. His clothes were black and ill-fitting, badly wrinkled, as if they had been jammed carelessly into a small trunk. His bushy head, with the stiff black hair thrown back, was balanced on a long and lean head-stalk, and when he raised his hands in an opening gesture, I noticed that they were very large. He began in a low tone of voice, as if he were used to speaking outdoors and was afraid of speaking too loud. He said "Mr. Cheerman," instead of "Mr. Chairman,"and employed many other words with an old fashioned pronunciation. I said to myself: "Old fellow, you won't do; it's all very well for the wild West, but this is New York." But pretty soon he began to get into his subject; he straightened up, made regular and graceful gestures; his face lighted as with an inward fire; the whole man was transfigured. I forgot his clothes, his personal appearance, and his individual peculiarities. Presently, forgetting myself, I was on my feet with the rest, yelling like a wild Indian, cheering this wonderful man. In the close parts of his argument, you could hear the gentle sizzling of the gas burners. When he reached a climax, the thunders of applause were terrific. It was a great speech. When I came out of the hall, my face glowing with excitement and my frame all a-quiver, a friend, with his eyes aglow, asked me what I thought of Abe Lincoln, the rail splitter. I said: "He's the greatest man since St. Paul." And I think so yet.
Me too. >>
Great story, Curly.....thanks for sharing!!
<< <i>My set, ordered under my Mint account, was shipped on the 20th (no expedited shipping). My second set, ordered under the 'guest' option, is still 'in process'. It WAS on hold for 24 hours, which whigged me out a bit. I thought they were going to cancel it, as it has the same billing address as my account order (used 2 different CC's, but same billing address), and for awhile, I really thought they may crack down and axe anyone trying to get more than one. It looks like the Mint, regardless of billing address, considers different shipping addresses as different households, and just lets it ride. >>
call us when it's here
San Diego, CA
3 shipped
2 in process
0 received
1 sold
no FIFO!
<< <i>Ordered 5, the last one at 3:12 pm.
3 shipped
2 in process
0 received
1 sold
no FIFO! >>
Can you list the order they were sent and the first 5 digits of the order number?
<< <i>
<< <i>Ordered 5, the last one at 3:12 pm.
3 shipped
2 in process
0 received
1 sold
no FIFO! >>
Can you list the order they were sent and the first 5 digits of the order number? >>
Here you go. The first at 12:32, the last at 3:12.
33163xxx - shipped 10/20
33167xxx - in process
33184xxx - shipped 10/21
33188xxx - in process
33191xxx - shipped 10/21
other than the above: obviously they've made mistakes
from above:
<< <i>I finally got confirmation that the Mint has mailed my set at 4:00 p.m. this afternoon. I did not purchase one until 11 p.m. on the day they went on sale. So I ordered mine 11 hours after they went on sale and it was mailed today. Hopefully everyone else will get what they ordered. >>
<< <i>do the "in process" accounts ""order a lot"" ?? were there other things ordered at the same time on those two orders? new credit card?
other than the above: obviously they've made mistakes >>
They (edited to add: the MINT) have made a mistake!
Not a big deal, I think these sets will go up with prices later on, so it may be better to hold on for a little while.
I just sold one to a big eBay seller for $169, he should know the business better than me for buying it at that price.
I only need to sell a couple to cover my expenses.
Edited / Revised.. see below..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Good luck, my wife order two sets with different cc's (same billing address) shipped to two different addresses, both were canceled.
<< <i>Have you checked for any errors? extra thumbs, etc.?
The only thing that I thought might be unusual was the thickness of the rims on the obverse of the cents. For all I know that is a normal thing for a proof lincoln.
Sorry no pics of the obverse of the cents, because the set is on the way to the new owner.
<< <i><<My set, ordered under my Mint account, was shipped on the 20th (no expedited shipping). My second set, ordered under the 'guest' option, is still 'in process'. It WAS on hold for 24 hours, which whigged me out a bit. I thought they were going to cancel it, as it has the same billing address as my account order (used 2 different CC's, but same billing address), and for awhile, I really thought they may crack down and axe anyone trying to get more than one. It looks like the Mint, regardless of billing address, considers different shipping addresses as different households, and just lets it ride. >>
Good luck, my wife order two sets with different cc's (same billing address) shipped to two different addresses, both were canceled. >>
I've had orders cancelled using the same technique - different CC's, different shipping addy's, but same name (mine) on billing account. Then I tried different billing address... same result. They're sneaky that way (sneakier than me)...
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent
Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
It says "in process" and back ordered to 10/30/09.
Am I in or out?
Looks like a real close call from here?
<< <i>My order is #33230XXX >>
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I'm surprised you're not on the waiting list with a number that high.
Did you order on Friday night? My guess is 50/50 at best for receiving that order.
Order #: 33167xxx
Order Date: 10/15/09
Date Shipped: 10/22/09
1. 2009 LINCOLN COIN & CHRONICLES SET (LN6) Qty : 1
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>
<< <i><<My set, ordered under my Mint account, was shipped on the 20th (no expedited shipping). My second set, ordered under the 'guest' option, is still 'in process'. It WAS on hold for 24 hours, which whigged me out a bit. I thought they were going to cancel it, as it has the same billing address as my account order (used 2 different CC's, but same billing address), and for awhile, I really thought they may crack down and axe anyone trying to get more than one. It looks like the Mint, regardless of billing address, considers different shipping addresses as different households, and just lets it ride. >>
Good luck, my wife order two sets with different cc's (same billing address) shipped to two different addresses, both were canceled. >>
I've had orders cancelled using the same technique - different CC's, different shipping addy's, but same name (mine) on billing account. Then I tried different billing address... same result. They're sneaky that way (sneakier than me)... >>
Once you have been caught then your accounts are linked. Happened to me years ago and deleted the accounts and created new accounts with different cc's, different addresses and (zipcodes), different billing addresses, phone numbers....everything is different except my name. So far so good. 3 ordered, 3 shipped in this round
Dont know if this makes a difference, but using a dynamic IP addresses I open new windows for each purchase.
Besides different CC's, different shipping addresses and different billing addresses, you need to have different email addresses for each order.
Same name matters not.
<< <i>It's great to think of all the money we'll make on this set but let's never forget the man these coins commemorate.
The following quote is taken from "Lincoln" by Philip B. Kunhardt, Jr., Philip B. Kunhardt III, and Peter W. Kunhardt'
THE GREATEST MAN SINCE ST. PAUL
In his 1888 biography of Lincoln, Noah Brooks quoted an eyewitness of Lincoln's Cooper Union address.
When Lincoln rose to speak, I was greatly disappointed. He was tall, oh, how tall! And so angular and awkward that I had, for an instant, a feeling of pity for so ungainly a man. His clothes were black and ill-fitting, badly wrinkled, as if they had been jammed carelessly into a small trunk. His bushy head, with the stiff black hair thrown back, was balanced on a long and lean head-stalk, and when he raised his hands in an opening gesture, I noticed that they were very large. He began in a low tone of voice, as if he were used to speaking outdoors and was afraid of speaking too loud. He said "Mr. Cheerman," instead of "Mr. Chairman,"and employed many other words with an old fashioned pronunciation. I said to myself: "Old fellow, you won't do; it's all very well for the wild West, but this is New York." But pretty soon he began to get into his subject; he straightened up, made regular and graceful gestures; his face lighted as with an inward fire; the whole man was transfigured. I forgot his clothes, his personal appearance, and his individual peculiarities. Presently, forgetting myself, I was on my feet with the rest, yelling like a wild Indian, cheering this wonderful man. In the close parts of his argument, you could hear the gentle sizzling of the gas burners. When he reached a climax, the thunders of applause were terrific. It was a great speech. When I came out of the hall, my face glowing with excitement and my frame all a-quiver, a friend, with his eyes aglow, asked me what I thought of Abe Lincoln, the rail splitter. I said: "He's the greatest man since St. Paul." And I think so yet.
Me too brother, me too. >>
Wow, that was awesome. thanks for sharing that!
"Live long and prosper"
My "How I Started" columns
Highest eBay prices for a single set, meaning it sold for this much, that I can find..
$349.95 - 15 Oct..
$319.00 - 22 Oct.. <-- take this one off.. I just checked again and it was for 2 sets..
$299.00 - 21 Oct..
using search for Lincoln coin chron*
If a seller misspells "Lincoln" (I've seen it done).. or "Chronicles" (I've seen then done too).. then they won't show up in a keyword search
for "Lincoln coin chron*" (sans quotes)..
The AVERAGE selling price for a single set SEEMS to be in the $150.00 to $180.00 range, give or take.. the bottom SEEMS to be $129.00-ish.. there are so many of them listed and sold that it'd take the better part of a day to analyze price curves, trends, pre-sales vs. in-hand sales, and so on.. and I'm not gonna do it..
Still, the highest price I can find for a single set, barring any misspellings, is STILL the one that pre-sold for $349.95, with a "Best Offer", forty minutes after they went on-sale..
ThisOne
Looking at the bidding history.. it appears the seller offered three of them as "Buy it Now" for $349.95 or "Best Offer" in the same listing.. the first two pre-sold for $169.95 on 14 October, 2009, the day BEFORE they went on sale.. i.e., he took a Best Offer of $169.95.. then, then next day, someone came along and bought his third pre-sale outright for $349.95.. and that's still the record, high price for a single set that I can find..
private listing -- buyers' identities protected US $349.95 1 Oct-15-09 09:40:40 PDT
private listing -- buyers' identities protected US $169.95 1 Oct-14-09 14:56:18 PDT
private listing -- buyers' identities protected US $169.95 1 Oct-14-09 10:34:40 PDT
As far as current listings go.. the prices are all over the place.. from true auctions starting at one cent, to true auctions starting at $500.00.. along with some overly-optimistic sellers with Buy it Now prices as high as $750.00.. a goulash of pre-sales, to sealed-box / in-hand, to opened box / in-hand..
So what I can deduce from all of this is that a single set is selling for anywhere from $130.00 to $350.00.. with a LOT of them going for about $200.00..
Meanwhile..
My set still Tracks as "Left Indianapolis, IN" on 21 October, 2009, with an estimated delivery date of 28 October, 2009..
My 2009 Mint Set, on the same order, shipped on 16 October, 2009, and is somewhere in Calif., with an estimated delivery date of 26 October, 2009.. ten days!?.. ridiculous..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Link
I've been feeding him information from this and other CU threads, along with the story of my own personal ordering experience, and he quoted me in his piece..
{{twirling finger in the air}}..
No big deal.. I've been quoted in coin magazines before.. I entered NN's "Your best coin story" contest for their 50nd Anniversary issue a couple years ago.. First Prize was a $20.00 Gold Liberty.. nine second prizes, a 2007 ASE.. just the regular issue ASE.. in a flip.. Denis Loring, who just happens to be on PCGS's panel of experts won the Gold.. I was one of the nine runners-up who won an ASE.. the contest had about fifty entrants.. something like that.. I THINK every entry was published, but most folks didn't win spit.. the issue was a keeper, since it included a reproduction of their very first issue.. I've got the ASE sitting here in the flip it came in, and it's starting to tone a bit.. (mylar flip, not PVC)..
I worked on that essay for almost two days, and thought it was better than Loring's.. but whaddya gonna do..
NN has another essay contest running, with a bizarre Gold coin as top prize.. I'll probably enter that one too.. although that "Poppy" coin must be *tiny* if it's only worth fifty bucks..
NNContest
Disclaimer: I do not work for Krause, Numismatic News, or any of their affiliates, associates, or any entity connected with or related to or owned by them..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
"A Mint spokesman said they were searching for a new chief information officer to lead an upgrade of the Web site. "
The Beatles
Second order shipped 10-23 ( 33210xxx)
I'm happy
Nice looking set.
Number two order confirmed but not yet shipped.
Bob
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<< <i>i think its just a matter of time before the price shoots up on these, the way i figure it is that about 20,000 will automatically be taken off the market by people who want to keep this set for the long term. Another 10 to 20 thousand will probably only sell at moon money levels, leaving only about 10 thousand sets for immediate resale. I belive once the initial batch of flippers cashes out and the sets are placed into hands of long term collectors(this is one of those sets) than there is no where to go but up.The lp1 sets were released at twice the number and look at the prices on those. just my .02 cents, that and 2.48 will get you a gallon of gas >>
I agree with your assessment, once the initial flipper batch ends up with long term holders then prices really go up. I've watched prices on ebay and more importantly I'm tracking the number of new listings each day. Prices are already gradually going up. The reason why I'm paying close attention is because I might sink a few grand into some sets and I plan on dollar cost averaging only if prices continue to rise.
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I'm surprised you're not on the waiting list with a number that high.
Did you order on Friday night? My guess is 50/50 at best for receiving that order.
I am 3322xxxx and just today it said in stock and reserved. I think your odds are 70/30 to get it.
My brother ordered a set Sunday the 18th (on the waiting list) and it is "In Stock and Reserved".
If he gets THAT set we can be sure more than 50,000 are shipping out...................
Edited to add: "1 unit shipped on 10/23/2009"! Yay!!!
<< <i>My brother ordered a set Sunday the 18th (on the waiting list) and it is "In Stock and Reserved".
If he gets THAT set we can be sure more than 50,000 are shipping out................... >>
IF The Mint held back 50,000 Proof Lincoln $s for these sets, then unless someone seriously lied about the original Mintage figures and sales figures of Proofs and Uncs., there can't possibly be more than 50,000 of these sets shipping out.. UNLESS a lot of the original single Proofs were returned.. and then went into additional Lincoln sets to push the number produced / sold / shipped above 50,000.. anything's possible, but I can't see any other scenario whereby more than 50,000 sets were made, sold, and shipped..
As you know, 500,000 Lincoln $s were authorized by law.. if more than 50,000 Coin and Chronicles sets were assembled, sold, and shipped, then The Mint ignored the coin's authorizing legislation, and in doing so, broke the law.. (an agency of the US Gubmint breaking the law!? Impossible!.. uh-huh..)..
I ASSume that with each new issue.. whether it's circulation strikes, or collector coins, there were die trials, mis-strikes, obvious errors, and such that were destroyed / melted.. no idea how many blanks destined to be Lincoln $s they slam through the presses before they begin production of the ones they sell.. but, by law, 500,000 is SUPPOSED to mean exactly that..
You'd have to file a Freedom of Information Act request with The Mint (which was done by someone here to get a true accounting of the 08/07 ASEs.. at no small expense to file it).. to get the real numbers..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
When I ordered the 2008 Mint Sets in these new laminated cardboard folders with the individual "lenses" holding the coins, one of those folders was not properly glued together, and the resulting gap yielded me a set with coins literally falling out of it, which I had to return on MY dime (hah).. for a replacement.. I'm almost afraid to open this box and see if I have to go through that ordeal again..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>My brother ordered a set Sunday the 18th (on the waiting list) and it is "In Stock and Reserved".
If he gets THAT set we can be sure more than 50,000 are shipping out................... >>
50,000 is the limit.
there won't be more sent.
what's the first 5 #'s of his order number?
"Your order has been shipped"
I ordered Friday morning (16th) at about 10am EST
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