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Blood stained? and toned? Gold Buff?

JimDepotJimDepot Posts: 960 ✭✭✭
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The red spots on the obverse are on the Buff.

PR70DCAM PCGS holder and I do not remember them being there.

Yes, the red spots are on the Buff and they were not there before.

Also looks like toning on both sides, but Buffs are 24KT and should not tone, correct?

Whats the ding dang deal?


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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    Copper spots. Learn to love them.

    Perhaps you should consider contacting PCGS about a spot review.
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  • JimDepotJimDepot Posts: 960 ✭✭✭
    but, but, but .9999 fine gold.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Copper spots. Learn to love them.

    Perhaps you should consider contacting PCGS about a spot review. >>



    No copper in the gold buffalos.

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  • KameoKameo Posts: 207
    That looks awefully red to be a copper spot, but what do I know. I've bought a few SMS sets that have small, very bright red specks on them, just like your Buffalo. I would love to know what causes that.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,740 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No copper in the gold buffalos. >>



    At least that's what the government tells us. image
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  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a couple that came from the Mint like that...same red spots...

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  • meluaufeetmeluaufeet Posts: 768 ✭✭✭
    My 2006 started 'spotting' around 2007, seemed to peek in 2008... I said to myself #$%^ and put it away...

    I just checked it again, and it actually looks better... really weird... they seem to be going away, the same way it showed up (out of nowhere).

    I'll look at it again next year.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Buffalo might very well be 0.9999 fine gold, but that doesn't mean that there couldn't be a contaminant film on the coin that is reacting with the atmosphere.
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  • PrivateCoinCollectorPrivateCoinCollector Posts: 2,415 ✭


    << <i>contaminant film >>



    ????
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>contaminant film >>



    ???? >>



    Perhaps oil transfered from the dies?

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  • JimDepotJimDepot Posts: 960 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The Buffalo might very well be 0.9999 fine gold, but that doesn't mean that there couldn't be a contaminant film on the coin that is reacting with the atmosphere. >>




    Like milkspots on the Silver Eagles?

    That could cause the toning, but what about the red spots?
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  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486 ✭
    I don't pay any attention to the modern stuff, but that is a pretty coin!
  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920 ✭
    I'm no help here, Jim. But if it was mine, I'd be bummed.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You want blood?image
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  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    My theory is that when they start up a new die, they have a rag that they give it a wipe with, to clear away any grease. This rag is used for wiping many dies before production starts.
    This rag, along the way, picks up flecks of metal from the coin striking process. Part of the dust in the mint is made of metal, I am sure. Some of it bronze.

    It does not take much in the way of dust to contaminate a rag such that when you wipe down the next die, you might deposit a fleck of bronze dust.
    Which will get smashed into the surface of the first coin or so.

    Perhaps this is a true indicator of First Strike?
  • coasterfancoasterfan Posts: 1,302 ✭
    My 2006 proof buff had the exact same red spots. As soon as I saw the title of your thread, I knew what you were talking about. They were there when I received it from the Mint. None of my 2008 buffs had them. I would also love to know their origin.
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    The mint knew about the issue, but didn't offer a remedy.

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  • tmoneyeaglestmoneyeagles Posts: 442
    Me think um' the indian got in a fight..... image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There was a lot of publicity about red spotting on the 2006 gold buffalos back in that year. The official explanation is that the spots are caused by tiny spots of oil from the coin presses. Apparently they identified the cause of the problem and fixed it, as I never heard of it on a later year.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>No copper in the gold buffalos. >>



    At least that's what the government tells us. image >>



    Maybe the red spots are occurring where the 24K plating is a little too thin.image

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  • Halfhunter06Halfhunter06 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭
    perhaps you should send t back to PCGS for a grade review, and hopefully some money back
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would tend to believe it is an external contaminant. Being .9999 pure gold does not mean there could not be a minor inclusion, but it would unlikely produce spots of such magnitude. A bath in alcohol or acetone would likely remove the spots. Perhaps even just hot water would work. Use nitrile gloves. Cheers, RickO
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    You advising him to crack out a PR-70 DCAM and rub it with alcohol? image
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  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Wow, that sucks for sure. I'd be bummed with it in a 70DCAM slab.

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