Ebay Loser Using Todd's Photo of My Coin!!!

ThePennyLady · October 18, 2009 8:55AM

Anyone know this Ebay seller? He's using one of Todd's photos of a coin on my website! And he's using a photo of an MS65 coin to sell some VF coin - geese, what a loser!!!

Link to Photo Thief

Bochiman · October 18, 2009 8:59AM

Definitely report him.
He is either totally clueless or a crook...even just by reading his description.

Since he says right in his description that the picture isn't his, it should be removed, I would hope, quickly by ebay.

ThePennyLady · October 18, 2009 9:02AM

<< Definitely report him.
He is either totally clueless or a crook...even just by reading his description.

Since he says right in his description that the picture isn't his, it should be removed, I would hope, quickly by ebay. >>

Todd and I both just reported him. Let's see how long Ebay takes to remove the listing.

JustMakesCents · October 18, 2009 9:03AM

very nice toned indian head 1903 the picture shown is not the one you receive the difference between the the two are very minor the one im SELLING has a little more wear as in mine does not have a readable liberty on it on the crown of his head has few scathes

Minor difference? The coin he is selling is a 1903, the picture is a 1901, lol!

Bochiman · October 18, 2009 9:07AM

Look at his feedback....either mentally not all there when it comes to thinking things through, or a crook trying to build up feedback and not being smart enough to even do crookedness correctly:

ok
not at all what was described in ad. you don't get the one in the picture!!
ad said mint, very fine on reverse, fine on obverse at best, and taped down
Dissapointed the coin received was not the one pictured.
Refund made without problem - thanks

Those are all warning flags and tells me the items are deceptive at a min.

TomB · October 18, 2009 9:14AM

When you report the auction make certain that you tell ebay that you not only own the coin and image, but that you have not given your consent to the use of either.

ThePennyLady · October 18, 2009 9:23AM

I sent the loser an Ebay message telling him he stole my photo and that I had reported him to Ebay. Here's his response:

Loser: "i got thiss off of google images"

Then I sent him this message:

Me: "It's not even the same year as the coin you are "selling" you big loser!"

Loser: "well i cant take a pitucre off this coin because i dont get the right lighting to show the toned part off it because im not rich and dont afford expensive cmaeras and id didnt steal your picture if it is posted on google images because therefore you post it to the world and any one can use it under law and im not a big loser for trying my best this is so stupid of you to say that"

AUandAG · October 18, 2009 9:26AM

I asked the seller why he posts a pic of a coin that is not up for auction, and not similar to the one offered.
His response:

lol wow i have posted number of coins with photos from yahoo, search,google serch,ask.com and now everyone body makes a big deal out this? i've been doing this since aug 15th

oh my,
bob

JupitarCoins · October 18, 2009 9:28AM

Is he speaking english, I cant tell because he definately does not know how to spell.

erroid · October 18, 2009 9:30AM

Yeah, it's best to report him; I'd then "drop" him a note and explain your position.

tmoneyeagles · October 18, 2009 9:32AM

But wouldn't he be breaking the law? He is violating copyright law, by stealing on of your pics and calling it his own.

He is an idiot, he is basically saying as long as it is on google images, it is okay to take it and use it as your own. He is crazy.

Everybody, report him.

OneCent · October 18, 2009 9:32AM

This guy is very stupid and a majorly big "L".

Hope e-bay puts the screws to him.

tmoneyeagles · October 18, 2009 9:33AM

Just messaged him myself;

I believe I've seen that coin before. It was on a good friend of mine's website. Please do not use photos that you do not actually have the rights to, as you are tricking people, that look at your auction. If you can't take photos of your coin, then don't include photos.

notwilight · October 18, 2009 9:35AM

did you opt out of the generic photo deal that ebay has? I didn't so people are now free to use mine if they are in the generic photo pile (whatever they call it) But mine all have "Carlsbad Eagle Trader"on them so if he uses my photo he is advertising for me. --Jerry

DoubleEagle59 · October 18, 2009 9:36AM

I just sent him an email along similar lines.

He must be going crazy right about now.

ThePennyLady · October 18, 2009 9:37AM

<< did you opt out of the generic photo deal that ebay has? I didn't so people are now free to use mine if they are in the generic photo pile (whatever they call it) But mine all have "Carlsbad Eagle Trader"on them so if he uses my photo he is advertising for me. --Jerry >>

I do not sell on Ebay, so I never posted this photo on Ebay. It came from either my website or when I posted it on the forum.

MisterBungle · October 18, 2009 9:40AM

Well, I just put him on my blocked list. Not
that I would likely buy anything from this
guy after seeing this and his feedback, but
I don't think I would want him buying from
me either.

~

mrpotatoheadd · October 18, 2009 9:41AM

<< I do not sell on Ebay, so I never posted this photo on Ebay. It came from either my website or when I posted it on the forum. >>

The image was posted on Cointalk, and Google apparently picked it up form there...

Link

notwilight · October 18, 2009 9:42AM

<< 

<< did you opt out of the generic photo deal that ebay has? I didn't so people are now free to use mine if they are in the generic photo pile (whatever they call it) But mine all have "Carlsbad Eagle Trader"on them so if he uses my photo he is advertising for me. --Jerry >>

I do not sell on Ebay, so I never posted this photo on Ebay. It came from either my website or when I posted it on the forum. >>

OK. So I Use google images quite a bit to look things up and it just has basicly links to websites. So to say he got it from google images is just saying, "I found your website through google images and got it there." --Jerry

tmoneyeagles · October 18, 2009 9:46AM

Seems he is not new to this... He got a neg a while ago about him not shipping out the coin in the listing...

cmerlo1 · October 18, 2009 9:50AM

You'd think he would've changed his imaging strategy after the negs:

not at all what was described in ad. you don't get the one in the picture!! kathadinview ( 240) Sep-28-09 15:51
1943 very nice steel penny mint condition (#160361383059) US $0.99 View Item

ad said mint, very fine on reverse, fine on obverse at best, and taped down kathadinview ( 240) Sep-28-09 15:51
1943 very nice steel penny mint condition (#160361382614)

BTW- the pic in both auctions is the same.

ocon4008 · October 18, 2009 9:51AM

Show some pity for this poor guy; he is probably an unemployed auto worker. This hardest thing he ever did was figure which side of a lug nut goes on first.

renomedphys · October 18, 2009 9:51AM

Feels like a knot developing at the pit of my stomach.

derryb · October 18, 2009 9:55AM

per his current listing "the picture shown is not the one you receive the difference between the the two are very minor the one im SELLING has a little more wear as in mine does not have a readable liberty on it on the crown of his head has few scathes nice addition for a collection re-sell."

I do believe ebay will only pull listing only if photo or description has been lifted from an earlier ebay listing. Since this is not the case, good chance there is no ebay violation. Unethical? YES.

renomedphys · October 18, 2009 9:57AM

<< His response:

lol wow i have posted number of coins with photos from yahoo, search,google serch,ask.com and now everyone body makes a big deal out this? i've been doing this since aug 15th >>

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I just nearly choked on my beer!!!

crazyhounddog · October 18, 2009 9:59AM

One word....IDIOT!!!!!!

MsMorrisine · October 18, 2009 10:00AM

a lazy seller that doesn't understand basic selling.

pennyannie · October 18, 2009 10:07AM

CALLING him a "loser" multiple times is a little uncalled for.

tmoneyeagles · October 18, 2009 10:12AM

<< CALLING him a "loser" multiple times is a little uncalled for. >>

Nope this loser knows exactly what he is doing, and if it were me, I would give him one message of being nice, and if he came back being a smart ass or said something stupid, I would rip him apart.
This guy is trying to scam people into thinking it is the coin pictured, most snipers, who at last second don't really read what is in the auction. It is deceitful and wrong. The "Oh I can't afford a good camera" is bull#$%@, my camera is crap, and my photos look fantastic.
Overall this guy is just another eBay loser, trying to make a quick buck without knowing the basics of coins, or even selling.

stevendaniels · October 18, 2009 10:18AM

The guy is a big thief that will get shut down!

MisterBungle · October 18, 2009 10:21AM

"CALLING him a "loser" multiple times is a little uncalled for."
-----
No, just unimaginative.

~

derryb · October 18, 2009 10:26AM

looks like he updated listing with his own photo. You'd be surprised at how many sellers to not know it is against ebay policy to use other seller's photos. Unfortunately, when ebay pulls a seller's listing for such reasons, ebay is not very clear to the seller on why the listing was pulled.

I have had a lot of seller's lift my photos and most of them (when politely emailed) apologized and removed my photo. What really pizzes me off is when a seller will use my active photo to undercut my BIN price while my listing is active.

19Lyds · October 18, 2009 10:30AM

<< ..........and if he came back being a smart ass or said something stupid, I would rip him apart. >>

Got get him tmoney!

BTW, I think the pictures have been taken down.

tmoneyeagles · October 18, 2009 10:32AM

<< 

Got get him tmoney!

BTW, I think the pictures have been taken down. >>

Yep, photos have been changed, and he even left all of us a little message on his auction!
"hope everyone is happy now!"

LOL!

ThePennyLady · October 18, 2009 10:36AM

<< CALLING him a "loser" multiple times is a little uncalled for. >>

I don't think so, since I only called him a loser to "his face" ONE time - and I thought that was being kind considering he ignored my request to remove my photo from his auction.

And thanks everyone for "helping" get this guy to finally remove my photo, especially you Tmoney (you're my new BFF)!

SeattleSlammer · October 18, 2009 10:40AM

this terrible photo??

blu62vette · October 18, 2009 10:41AM

I had already reported him, now maybe I will solicit photography services. 2nd though not worth it....

OchoReales · October 18, 2009 10:45AM

<< CALLING him a "loser" multiple times is a little uncalled for. >>

I feel that I must chime in as well Charmy. While I understand your frustration, I don't think that the name calling is necessary or the higher way!
We've never met but, from what I've read of your other posts, you seem above that. Just my not so humble opinion.

OchoReales · October 18, 2009 10:48AM

<< 

<< CALLING him a "loser" multiple times is a little uncalled for. >>

Nope this loser knows exactly what he is doing, and if it were me, I would give him one message of being nice, and if he came back being a smart ass or said something stupid, I would rip him apart.
This guy is trying to scam people into thinking it is the coin pictured, most snipers, who at last second don't really read what is in the auction. It is deceitful and wrong. The "Oh I can't afford a good camera" is bull#$%@, my camera is crap, and my photos look fantastic.
Overall this guy is just another eBay loser, trying to make a quick buck without knowing the basics of coins, or even selling. >>

Tmoney, aren't you are a YN? I'd hope to see a bit more maturity from you based on your post. I've been involved with coins for 35 years and a dealer for 20 and never heard this type of language from a young numismatist. What a shame!

DennisH · October 18, 2009 10:53AM

The guy is a crook, making huge factual misrepresentations of the very marginal material he is offering for sale for precisely one reason: To screw buyers.

LotsoLuck · October 18, 2009 10:53AM

Thats great, he changed his picture.

Power to the coin people!

ThePennyLady · October 18, 2009 11:07AM

<< Tmoney, aren't you are a YN? I'd hope to see a bit more maturity from you based on your post. I've been involved with coins for 35 years and a dealer for 20 and never heard this type of language from a young numismatist. What a shame! >>

Ocho, I appreciate your reminding us to be more professional, and I know you are correct in that I personally could have been a little more "high road" in my comments to the seller, which I initially was. And yes, I was frustrated that he was ignoring my request to remove my photo, so by calling him a loser I was hoping to get his attention - sure it was juvenile and probably unnecessary, but to be honest, I felt a little better knowing it got his attention (even though it took all the pressure from this forum to finally get him to remove the photo).

And sometimes people like this need a little knuckle thwacking to get their attention, especially people who try to get away with scamming or taking advantage of others like this guy has admittedly been doing. So if any of you feel I shouldn't have stooped to calling him a loser, I understand, but I don't feel my comment really necessitates any more "shame on you" finger-wagging - at me or Tmoney.

tmoneyeagles · October 18, 2009 11:07AM

<< 

Tmoney, aren't you are a YN? I'd hope to see a bit more maturity from you based on your post. I've been involved with coins for 35 years and a dealer for 20 and never heard this type of language from a young numismatist. What a shame! >>

Nothing to be ashamed of my friend. You don't take what isn't yours, and if it takes a YN to teach you that listen, you are one sick person. You and I both know that seller knew what he was doing, why should I have sympathy for him, or be nice? He is a scammer plain and simple. My age has nothing to do with what I said, if you can't handle the truth, tough. Your feelings hurt, tough. The guy had a motive of at least scamming somebody or getting a couple high bids at the end, by snipers. I messaged him, reported his auction, and gave my opinions here, you don't agree with my opinion, or don't like what I said, or feel you need to discuss it further with me, please PM me.

tmoneyeagles · October 18, 2009 11:10AM

<< 

And thanks everyone for "helping" get this guy to finally remove my photo, especially you Tmoney (you're my new BFF)! >>

LOL! I thought I was always your BFF... Well I'm glad I am now...

AUandAG · October 18, 2009 11:23AM

Here's my latest (of three) emails from this seller:

Dear bobandlinda1,

im sorry bob.. i changed it if you noticed

- ppal5501

I think the guy/gal just does not know the rules or has any clue about using someone else's picture. Just
a mistake that was stupid and now he/she apologizes. I told him that I don't own the coin or the pic. So,
Todd and Penny Lady here's his apology.

bob

notwilight · October 18, 2009 11:30AM

He says the picture is the actual coin. Did it say that before he changed the photo?

--Jerry

blu62vette · October 18, 2009 11:31AM

<< He says the picture is the actual coin. Did it say that before he changed the photo?

--Jerry >>

No, it said the colors were similar.

yellowkid · October 18, 2009 11:52AM

<< The guy is a crook, making huge factual misrepresentations of the very marginal material he is offering for sale for precisely one reason: To screw buyers. >>

I don't know if we know enough about this fellow to call him a crook, he says it isn't his coin. I believe he just isn't very bright and we shouldn't hold that against him. Lets save our venom for those more deserving.

19Lyds · October 18, 2009 11:57AM

<< 

<< 

<< CALLING him a "loser" multiple times is a little uncalled for. >>

Nope this loser knows exactly what he is doing, and if it were me, I would give him one message of being nice, and if he came back being a smart ass or said something stupid, I would rip him apart.
This guy is trying to scam people into thinking it is the coin pictured, most snipers, who at last second don't really read what is in the auction. It is deceitful and wrong. The "Oh I can't afford a good camera" is bull#$%@, my camera is crap, and my photos look fantastic.
Overall this guy is just another eBay loser, trying to make a quick buck without knowing the basics of coins, or even selling. >>

Tmoney, aren't you are a YN? I'd hope to see a bit more maturity from you based on your post. I've been involved with coins for 35 years and a dealer for 20 and never heard this type of language from a young numismatist. What a shame! >>

I thik he's just imitating the big boys since a lot of that type of talk does occur here from time to time.

tmoneyeagles · October 18, 2009 12:34PM

<< 
I thik he's just imitating the big boys since a lot of that type of talk does occur here from time to time. >>

Who are the Big Boys? And why should I be so obsessed about imitating them? You've known since day 1, I was an opinionated person, so how come all of a sudden I'm imitating people now?
Doesn't make sense to me

19Lyds · October 18, 2009 1:31PM

<< 

<< 
I thik he's just imitating the big boys since a lot of that type of talk does occur here from time to time. >>

Who are the Big Boys? And why should I be so obsessed about imitating them? You've known since day 1, I was an opinionated person, so how come all of a sudden I'm imitating people now?
Doesn't make sense to me >>

Oh My!

No one mentioned an obsession but threatening to "rip him apart" hardly seems like something a 14 years old would be capable of accomplishing other than continuing to extoll your grievance against him for responding to your query with a "Smart ass" or stupid answer. Therefore, you must have been mimicking (i.e. imitating) some of the "tough guy" attitudes which occasionally get displayed here on the forums.

Yes. Those Big Boys. You know, the ones with the "super human typing fingers" capable of reaching through computer moniters to "rip him apart"?

Ebay Loser Using Todd's Photo of My Coin!!!

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