Picture of 1942/1-D ................Please

SNMAN · October 12, 2009 12:07PM

Does anyone have a close up of the 1942/1-D Mercury?

or point me inthe right direction.

thanks,

SNMAN

blu62vette · October 12, 2009 12:08PM

I'm here for you....

SNMAN · October 12, 2009 12:11PM

WOW thank you blu62vette!

Love your coin

blu62vette · October 12, 2009 12:31PM

wish it was mine, I am just the photographer...

mkman123 · October 12, 2009 2:48PM

are there variations in how the 2 is over the 1?? I thought I saw one in a magazine in which is was very obvious from looking that there was a 2/1 while in this photo it is a little harder to see.

blu62vette · October 12, 2009 2:53PM

I think that is the 1942/1, not the 42/1-D. The 42/1-D is not as dramatic.

CaptHenway · October 12, 2009 2:58PM

<< are there variations in how the 2 is over the 1?? I thought I saw one in a magazine in which is was very obvious from looking that there was a 2/1 while in this photo it is a little harder to see. >>

Both overdates were caused by dies being partially hubbed with the 1941-dated hub, and then finished, after being annealed, with the 1942-dated hub. On the die that ended up being used at Philadelphia, the last 1 was fully brought up during the first impression. On the die that ended up at Denver, the last 1 was only partially brought up during the first impression.

TD

mkman123 · October 12, 2009 3:01PM

ahhhhhh thanks to both of you for clearing it up. Blue6, happen to have a pic of the 1942/1 in your files somewhere that you can post?

thx

rld14 · October 12, 2009 3:41PM

The easiest way to spot a 1942/1-D is that it's far easier to see the strong doubling of the "4" in the date on the Denver coin, while on the 1942/1-P the 2/1 is VERY obvious.

frnklnlvr · October 12, 2009 11:09PM

I think technically these are DDO's and not overdates. Is this correct?

PerryHall · October 12, 2009 11:32PM

<< I think technically these are DDO's and not overdates. Is this correct? >>

No. They are overdates.

pheh · October 12, 2009 11:35PM

Another tell-tale for a 41/2-D is a slightly rotated reverse. I don't believe I've ever found one that didn't have a slight rotation.

STONE · October 12, 2009 11:39PM

<< I think technically these are DDO's and not overdates. Is this correct? >>

That's actually correct.

Same goes for the 1943/2 Jefferson Nickel

PerryHall · October 12, 2009 11:50PM

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<< I think technically these are DDO's and not overdates. Is this correct? >>

That's actually correct.

Same goes for the 1943/2 Jefferson Nickel >>

No. Two different hubs with two different dates were used to create the dies that struck these coins. A DDO die or DDR die is created by the hub being impressed by two dies of the same date.

JRocco · October 12, 2009 11:55PM

<< 

<< 

<< I think technically these are DDO's and not overdates. Is this correct? >>

That's actually correct.

Same goes for the 1943/2 Jefferson Nickel >>

No. Two different hubs with two different dates were used to create the dies that struck these coins. A DDO die or DDR die is created by the hub being impressed by two dies of the same date. >>

What he said.

CaptHenway · October 13, 2009 12:16AM

Some people use the term "dual hub overdate."
TD

ricko · October 13, 2009 12:21AM

Interesting, I am familiar with the 42/1 over date, the D overdate is less obvious. I must go back and check a few things. Cheers, RickO

blu62vette · October 13, 2009 12:32AM

<< ahhhhhh thanks to both of you for clearing it up. Blue6, happen to have a pic of the 1942/1 in your files somewhere that you can post?

thx >>

I know I have it somewhere but not sure where, will try and do some looking.

crazyhounddog · October 13, 2009 12:32AM

<< I'm here for you....

>>

Hey Todd, that's a real beauty!! Thanks for the picture I have got to say your very good at imaging

frnklnlvr · October 13, 2009 7:55PM

CONECA lists these as Class III DDO's, along with the CPG.

I think an overdate is when the date on a working die was partially removed and another date was punched over top of it.

Is there anyone else that has any thoughts on whether these are overdates or doubled dies?

crypto79 · October 14, 2009 1:25AM

"No. Two different hubs with two different dates were used to create the dies that struck these coins. A DDO die or DDR die is created by the hub being impressed by two dies of the same date."

That makes no sense

A DDO or DDR has nothing to do with which or what date is present on the hub. All it means is that the multiple impressions are apparent on the die from the hubbing process which in the case of the 42/1 series you can. They're DDO's that people call overdates because that is the most obvious point where you can see the restriking of the hub. It is a rookie mistake people make, even on these boards.

An overdate is when the date was added directly to the die after the hubbing process, mostly in the 19th Cen and before and later changed or corrected. Now that the date is added to the hub, overdates have all but been eliminated only to pop up in the commotion of WW2 while metal was in short supply.

PerryHall · October 14, 2009 1:45AM

crypto79---So, if this coin is struck from a doubled die, where is the doubling other than the date? All production dies from this period were struck from dies that were hubbed at least twice but they aren't all called doubled dies. Let's just agree to disagree.

WoodenJefferson · October 14, 2009 2:14AM

I had this image squirrel'd away, it's about as dramatic as they get.

crypto79 · October 14, 2009 2:16AM

<< crypto79---So, if this coin is struck from a doubled die, where is the doubling other than the date? All production dies from this period were struck from dies that were hubbed at least twice but they aren't all called doubled dies. Let's just agree to disagree. >>

K

frnklnlvr · October 14, 2009 2:19AM

CONECA says both the P & D have doubling on IGWT.

Norseman88 · October 14, 2009 12:27PM

<< are there variations in how the 2 is over the 1?? I thought I saw one in a magazine in which is was very obvious from looking that there was a 2/1 while in this photo it is a little harder to see. >>

I've owned 8-1942/1-D dimes over the years, 7 of these I found in bags of mercury dimes I purchased for bullion.
There are variations on the strength of the overdate, I've had several very bold and several weak ones so as far as I know there is a bold 42/1-D and a weak 42/1-D.

CaptHenway · October 14, 2009 1:23PM

I personally have never seen a 1942/41-D dime with a bold 1 under the 2. I am guessing that I have seen perhaps 200 of them over the years, at Collectors Clearinghouse, ANACS or three coin shops.
TD

Picture of 1942/1-D ................Please

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