<< <i>Coin collectors don't always have the best relationship with women, and really should stay single. This one middle aged coin collector was sitting in his overstuffed recliner one day, wearing his favorite smoking jacket, and reading the latest blurb by his hero, Q David Bowers. His wife came into the room and slugged him in the kisser. It sorta surprised him and he asked her why she'd hit him, as he wiped away the blood. She then pulled out a piece of paper and said she'd found it in his coat pocket, and it had "Linda Lou" written on it. He said, Honey......... I went to the races last Friday, that was the name of the horse I bet on. His wife was real sorry and asked him to forgive her. A few weeks went by, and the guy was again sitting in his chair, reading the latest issue of Coin World when his wife came in and clobbered him in the head with a cast iron frying pan. Holding his aching head, he asked her why she'd hit him. She said, .........Your horse called today,.............. it's pregnant.
Ray >>
A coin dealer and his wifey were driving to a coin show when suddenly she looked at him and delivered a substantial wallop to his chops. After a bit he asked what was that for. She said, that's for 20 years of lousy sex.
A bit farther down the road he looked at his wife and let fly a backhand right along side her haid. What was that for wifey wanted to know?
<< <i>My wife and I collect together. She tells me what she likes and I buy it... She also has completed multiple sets... She loves coins, Large notes, and Silver... we spend a lot of time going to shows, auctions, and flea markets... always looking for a deal. I have a great life partner who loves coins and me. It is a blessing.
JOhn >>
Same here. My wife spent at least 2 hours on the internet today, looking for a coin show or coin auction that we could take in during our vacation to the beach in October. We spent the past weekend at a show in Pa. She bought another gold panda today. She has half of a SD box full or gold and platinum plus 2 $500 and a $1000 note. She also collects seated dimes in vf or better and large currency. We anr in our later years and having a ball.
I think a lot simply depends on an individual's circumstances. I knew very early in life that I did not want to be a Dad. I'm in my 50s now, so when I was most 'eligible,' that meant I wasn't going to get married. I didn't care. Meeting women wasn't difficult so that part of my life was not a problem.
I used to run competitively, and I was far more concerned at that point in time about running a faster marathon or lowering my 10K time than about whom I was dating. What you do with your life is all about your priorities. I've been collecting coins since 1963, and in all of that time, I've only seen ONE coin that "had my name on it" (I never got it; long story).
Btw, I liked that joke about Linda Lou. My favorite is about penguins and midget nuns, which I can't put on this forum.
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Divorced at 31 (no kids) and remarried at 42 (my wife is 11 1/2 yrs younger). It was only a matter of finding the one that was right for me. Don't worry Wei, you're young. She's out there for you . Seriously though, I find that the guys who so absorb themselves with numismatics and can't hold a conversation about much else are the ones you speak of. So, all you eat, sleep and breathe coin BACHELORS, get a life and you'll find a wife!
In many ways reading the responses has been entertaining. Going by the consensus I've seen, these are the likely conclusions I can gather pertaining to the adult bachelorhood dilemma plaguing many male coin enthusiasts:
1.) Physical attributes. A lot of coin guys aren't active enough and don't have physically attractive features. Coin collecting really is a sedentary hobby.
2.) Grooming habits. The guys can do much more to positively enhance their outward appearance. If you've been to a coin show it isn't difficult to conclude that coin people are deficient in this area.
3.) The "dork" factor. Collecting coins just isn't a chic hobby, especially to the younger and attractive female crowd.
4.) Social ineptness. Though there are social opportunities with other collectors, coin collecting is often a solitary hobby that doesn't grant much opportunity for someone to practice their interpersonal skills and when and if there are social opportunities it's almost always with other men. Face it, a lot of coin guys wouldn't know what to do if they were served some on a silver platter, despite what they may say verbally or think they can do according to their dreams. Perhaps personality abnormalities such as OCD or manic attitudes have something to do with this as well.
5.) Time. Either you have time to entertain women or you have time to assemble a super coin collection, but you don't have enough time to do both.
6.) Liability. There is a belief that a woman can negatively interfere with your ability to dedicate enough time to your enjoyment of numismatics.
7.) The guys I call "The Armageddon/Dale Gribble" types. As one post alluded to, numismatics does attract a sizeable number of the folks who believe in every imaginable government conspiracy and who are the militia, hoard ammo, gold, and be ready to fight the New World Order types. To the vast majority of the population people who fit that profile come off as total wackjobs. Wackjob personalities don't often attract many women who don't share those similar beliefs.
Are there any other factors we've missed so far? How about the flip side of this discussion? Would a few women members like to add their two cents?
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numismatics does attract a sizeable number of the folks who are the militia, hoard ammo, gold and be ready to fight the New World Order types. To the vast majority of the population people who fit that profile come off as total wackjobs. Wackjob personalities don't often attract many women.
Before finding my sweetie, I never had any problem attracting women - and I don't think your characterization of anyone who sympathize with the above are wackjobs. Sorry, try again.
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<< <i>numismatics does attract a sizeable number of the folks who are the militia, hoard ammo, gold and be ready to fight the New World Order types. To the vast majority of the population people who fit that profile come off as total wackjobs. Wackjob personalities don't often attract many women.
JMSKI52 Before finding my sweetie, I never had any problem attracting women - and I don't think your characterization of anyone who sympathize with the above are wackjobs. Sorry, try again. >>
I agree with Wei. I speak as a person who learned to shoot when my age was in the single digits and, while I currently don't own a gun, I still enjoy firing off some rounds now and then. There is a substantial difference between someone who plans for a rainy day and a person who girds their loins for Armageddon. There definitely seems to be a higher percentage of serious "fill-in-your-phobia-here" wackjobs amongst the numismatic fraternity than in the general population.
<< <i>In many ways reading the responses has been entertaining. Going by the consensus I've seen, these are the likely conclusions I can gather pertaining to the adult bachelorhood dilemma plaguing many male coin enthusiasts:
1.) Physical attributes. A lot of coin guys aren't active enough and don't have physically attractive features. Coin collecting really is a sedentary hobby.
2.) Grooming habits. The guys can do much more to positively enhance their outward appearance. If you've been to a coin show it isn't difficult to conclude that coin people are deficient in this area.
3.) The "dork" factor. Collecting coins just isn't a chic hobby, especially to the younger and attractive female crowd.
4.) Social ineptness. Though there are social opportunities with other collectors, coin collecting is often a solitary hobby that doesn't grant much opportunity for someone to practice their interpersonal skills and when and if there are social opportunities it's almost always with other men. Face it, a lot of coin guys wouldn't know what to do if they were served some on a silver platter, despite what they may say verbally or think they can do according to their dreams. Perhaps personality abnormalities such as OCD or manic attitudes have something to do with this as well.
5.) Time. Either you have time to entertain women or you have time to assemble a super coin collection, but you don't have enough time to do both.
6.) Liability. There is a belief that a woman can negatively interfere with your ability to dedicate enough time to your enjoyment of numismatics.
7.) The guys I call "The Armageddon/Dale Gribble" types. As one post alluded to, numismatics does attract a sizeable number of the folks who believe in every imaginable government conspiracy and who are the militia, hoard ammo, gold, and be ready to fight the New World Order types. To the vast majority of the population people who fit that profile come off as total wackjobs. Wackjob personalities don't often attract many women who don't share those similar beliefs.
Are there any other factors we've missed so far? How about the flip side of this discussion? Would a few women members like to add their two cents? >>
Although I think you're generalizing quite a bit here, of the things on your list I honestly think the biggest one is #3, and possibly #5, at least in my case. At the risk of this sounding like a personals ad...I am single, 45, 6'4", 195 lbs., not fat or ugly (at least I think I'm not ugly), don't smoke, drink very seldom, shower daily, and am reasonably well groomed, as I deal with the public daily. I'm educated, run a coin business, own my home, drive a Corvette and play blues and jazz guitar...and I have plenty of non-numismatic hobbies. Not that I try to impress a woman with all that, but the point is...it's not like I am a TOTAL dud or a jerk. I'm a firearm and gold owner but certainly not a survivalist, bipolar, OCD, or a whackjob by any stretch of the imagination... yet I often have problems with meeting women, or holding their interest at a minimum...
Why, you ask? Because... when the subject gets around to what I do, almost invariably her face noticeably changes and gets that "oh...isn't that interesting.... NEXT!" kind of look. Numismatics as a hobby or even a profession often gets looked upon as a "geek" kind of thing and isn't looked upon as a "real" job I guess. I swear that once they hear "coin collecting" or "coin dealer", it wouldn't matter if you looked like Brad Pitt...they still instantly equate you with the dude in that movie "The 40-year-old Virgin". Seriously.
I really think that another part of the problem is that I do what I do 6 days a week, sometimes 7 if shows are involved... and that cuts down on available time. And let's face it-the women that come into a coin store are usually either already attached or over 60, which cuts down the number of opportunities to meet single women at work-plus it seems a bit unprofessional to hit on women customers (though I admit I've gotten a couple dates that way in the past... but I digress).
All that said, it's not like I never date-I've had a couple serious relationships...lived with someone for a while, had another relationship that lasted roughly a year and a half or so... but since then it's been hit and miss...and it's fairly obvious to me that what I do for a living doesn't exactly help!
Just as a reminder to everybody, I try to keep this thread lighthearted and "conclusions" 1 through 7 are simply broad generalizations. Sure there are exceptions to everything but in my years if observing the folks I see on both sides of the bourse table things just make me wonder...
Anyways just for the record, some years ago when I was totally single and alone I did have two girls who refused to go out with me, specifically citing the fact that I was involved with the business of coins. As one of the girls stated, "coin collecting is so dorky!" One time I showed her a very nice Morgan Dollar (valued at about $3000 at that time) and she responded by telling me that I should have bought a used Mazda Miata with the money instead.
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Interesting that the description of "Attractive" comes up when the topic of dating/mating/and/or marrrrying arises.
Have you looked around? You see short people with short mates, heavier people with heavier mates, tall with tall, etc..
There is no shortage of any of the above; so, once one decides to enter the arena, there ARE choices.
Some choose NOT TO enter. Some do. The argument cold be made for any hobby or profession that it is "unattractive to others"......including Treasury Secretary.
It's funny how this topic came up a couple of times today at the Philadelphia show between dealers. Any other thoughts? How about from the ladies? Haven't heard much from them on this tread.
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I think you're comparing apples to oranges. You'd have to show me some $100 million study done by the U. S. Govt. that shows the correlation between coins, houses, cars, motorcycles, etc., to answer that question.
My wife abides my collecting very well thank you. I've shown her the prices of coins from 1950 through now and she agrees I'm not extravagant.
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Are there any hot girls out there who consider coin collecting sexy? I'm sure they're out there although I've never seen it.
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You guys are hilarious...really, I come here to get a laugh...and sometimes I learn something new about numismatics. (That might mean that my sense of humor is a bit twisted and dry...what do you do? BTW I am married and my wife is HOT...seriously.)
I never thought about this very much, but I will say this... I am 34, single and I have very little trouble with women. I also work 60+ hours a week and you guys who know what I have been up to know that I spend a lot of time on my coin collecting.
So?
I also ride my Motorcycle every chance I get and have plenty of time to go out with the ladies in my life. Here's what I have found, women generally do NOT find coin collecting amusing... "Hey you wanna swing by my house and check out my VAMs?" is NOT a good line to use. If I go out with a woman for a few times and hobbies come up I'll mention Coin Collecting, usually saying something (after I get a look of disgust) along the lines of "It's a hobby but it's also a really safe long term investment and it's been way better than the stock market, especially lately"
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Since there is a sister thread discussing the coin nerd, are there any other thoughts regarding this topic?
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My girlfriend doesn't mind my collecting. I'm 27, she's 25. As long as I don't spend too much of my time with my coins, she's good. She doesn't pay attention to the money I spend on the coins... although I'm sure that will change if/when we get married. However, when I spend too much on a particular purchase or something, I feel a little guilty and tend to take her out for an extra nice night out. She has no idea where it's coming from which is good
Personally, I believe it all has to do with money. Women are expensive. Add a family to the equation and it is even more expensive. There for if a man is married and has kids he is less likely to be able to invest or collect coins then a single guy. Just my opinion.
I agree, single peope have more money to burn. Never had to waste $$$ on diapers or day are or tons of baby clothes or soccor lessons.
I have seen a few single woman coin collectors and for the most part they weren't too bad. if u know what i mean by bad. I did encouner a young hot thing at the santa clara show once and she was doing the 70 or so classic commems in high ms grade, so looks like she had a few bucks to spare and she was being ultra picky with the coins too
It's not just coins, there are many nitch hobbies that are not popular with the ladies. My other hobby is model aircraft and rarely do I see a female pilot(only taught one in 28 years). The wife's that show normal just read in the sun away from the noise. Coin shows there are a lot of guys, model airshow there are really a lot of guys, and like with coins they almost all look the same. It's weird, little strange, and good people as a whole
Wei, Would this observation hold with dealers also? I would imagine the dealers with large firms would be seen more in the 'business' model, but how about with the majority of dealers who set up at local shows?
Saw this thread at the top again, read it again and decided to chime in once more.
This is not neceesarily a male phenomena.
How many guys would be excited about dating for the long term [not just a meaningless fling] and marrying a woman who has a hobby of collecting clay statues of cute bunnies and other gentle forest creatures? Hundreds of these statues located all over the woman's home? Books and catalogues on her hobby lying around. Trips to hobby shoes where she buys and sells these statues.
You can find persons of both sexes who, for whatever reason, never marry or marry but end up divorced and never remarry. It is just not limited to men. There are plenty of women in that situation also.
Some people just relate better to inanimate objects than they do with other people.
I've been married for over 21 years. I have 3 daughters 2 in high school and one a freshman in college. I've tried to get all 4 of the women in my life involved in the hobby, but no takers. At the time when I was actively courting women in my late teens, I was not collecting coins. I had taken a break from the hobby from the time I was about 13 until my mid 20's. I wonder if I had not taken that break, if I would've married.
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<< <i>Just as a reminder to everybody, I try to keep this thread lighthearted and "conclusions" 1 through 7 are simply broad generalizations. Sure there are exceptions to everything but in my years if observing the folks I see on both sides of the bourse table things just make me wonder...
Anyways just for the record, some years ago when I was totally single and alone I did have two girls who refused to go out with me, specifically citing the fact that I was involved with the business of coins. As one of the girls stated, "coin collecting is so dorky!" One time I showed her a very nice Morgan Dollar (valued at about $3000 at that time) and she responded by telling me that I should have bought a used Mazda Miata with the money instead. >>
She was right about the Miata!
Comparing things that discretionary income gets spent upon, I get much more enjoyment out of a family vacation than I do from my coins. If I were in the position of chosing one or the other, I would take the former.
<< <i>Wei, Would this observation hold with dealers also? I would imagine the dealers with large firms would be seen more in the 'business' model, but how about with the majority of dealers who set up at local shows? >>
Obviously I'm making blanket generalizations here, but considering the career dealers (the people who've done numismatics full time since they were young, not the ones who became full time later in life) it seems that the rate of adult bachelorhood is somewhat higher than that of the general population and the ones who are married and have children did so much later in life than the mainstream time frame. Many of the full time dealers today tend to be about my parents' age (mid 50's to early 60's) and I've noticed that it isn't unusual for them to have kids who are still teen aged, which would mean they didn't have kids until they were in their 40's. I myself just turned 30 and my parents (my dad in particular) has always felt the age gap between the two of us is unusually wide. He has friends who are around the same age as him and most of them have at least one child over the age of 40.
Of course these trends aren't absolute. As far as today's younger dealers go, most are married and live normal lives when outside of the numismatic bourse circuit life. Of the dealers age 30 and under, I believe Melissa Karstedt, Michael Berkman and myself are the only ones who aren't married yet.
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<< <i>Just as a reminder to everybody, I try to keep this thread lighthearted and "conclusions" 1 through 7 are simply broad generalizations. Sure there are exceptions to everything but in my years if observing the folks I see on both sides of the bourse table things just make me wonder...
Anyways just for the record, some years ago when I was totally single and alone I did have two girls who refused to go out with me, specifically citing the fact that I was involved with the business of coins. As one of the girls stated, "coin collecting is so dorky!" One time I showed her a very nice Morgan Dollar (valued at about $3000 at that time) and she responded by telling me that I should have bought a used Mazda Miata with the money instead. >>
She was right about the Miata!
Comparing things that discretionary income gets spent upon, I get much more enjoyment out of a family vacation than I do from my coins. If I were in the position of chosing one or the other, I would take the former. >>
For the record I hated those Miatas. They weren't real roadsters and if anything larger than a Camry hit it they would be crushed like ripped tinfoil. Besides, my first "serious" - whatever that meant in teen terms - girlfriend in high school drove one (a brand new one her rich parents got her when she got her license complete with a personal license plate reading: "TASH" - her parents nickname for her - a name I never ever called her by...anyways I digress) and I've despised them ever since.
Nowadays if you told a girl you spent $3000 on a coin they would tell you you should've spent that money on an HD TV instead.
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"Are there any hot girls out there who consider coin collecting sexy? I'm sure they're out there although I've never seen it. "
Interesting thread! My wife, who I think is hot, thought it was sexy when I sold a coin and the proceeds are paying for a trip to Disney World for us and our 2 boys.
<< <i>"Are there any hot girls out there who consider coin collecting sexy? I'm sure they're out there although I've never seen it. "
Interesting thread! My wife, who I think is hot, thought it was sexy when I sold a coin and the proceeds are paying for a trip to Disney World for us and our 2 boys. >>
So it sounds like the trip to WDW, and not the coin was sexy.
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ROFL, this was an amusing thread. Honestly, I didn't know there was so many misfits among us,
I'm still laughing at the thought of this in my mind How many guys would be excited about dating for the long term [not just a meaningless fling] and marrying a woman who has a hobby of collecting clay statues of cute bunnies and other gentle forest creatures? Hundreds of these statues located all over the woman's home? Books and catalogues on her hobby lying around. Trips to hobby shoes where she buys and sells these statues. I am guilty of having 2 rooms with hobby related magazines/catalouges etc.
Maybe I should find a new hobby since so many of you reflect badly on me.
Put me down for being (almost) normal. Been collecting a bit before 1964, following my father and older brothers footsteps. I've been with the same HOT woman for 29 years after being with MANY other HOT women before then. I've never had a problem having relationships. Both my kids have a coin collection, although they do it mostly for investment. I've started them both off with 2 pounds of gold coins each (purchased when spot was around 260/oz).
My wife works full time, runs marathons and 100+ mile bike races. Both those hobbies are not cheap. But it does keep her HOT for her age. She gets my support, and I in turn never hear a negative thing about my coin collecting from her.
I have a Senior in College getting no student loans or financial assistance to help me pay the costs, next year his grad school will cost me 4x his undergrad tuition. Daughter will be in College soon. I've been buying coins the same time I've bought diapers, braces for both, paid for their dates, right up to buying their first cars. For you Bachelors, you no idea the cost of raising a family, but its all been worth it a million times over. My coin buying has never skipped a beat. How has that been possible when I always feel broke !!!! Most of my expendable income goes into coins. I won't spend a dime on myself until I'm practically forced to. Drive a 21 yr old SUV with 350k miles, get many of my essential clothes as gifts from my Mother in law, footwear I wear til the tread is smooth as worn pennies, eat 99¢ hotdogs for lunch when I'm out etc etc. That's how I justify spending insane amounts on coins/currency and bullion. Instead of a new pair of shoes, I figure I'll buy more silver instead. Other than that, I think I'm pretty normal. I shower daily, exercise regulary, not fat, and haven't gotten hoplessly grumpy in my older age. I just can't stand the thought of buying something that depreciates right after purchase, my money goes into Assets. It could be said, that I'm this way to compensate for all the waste the other family members incur. IDK. I do know that my life would not be a fraction as fulfilling without having a family. If I had no family, I'd be too busy looking for a mate to collect coins. In hindsight, I wouldn't have given up the married life for a 1933 $20 Gaudens or any other physical possession. That's why I'm guessing no woman has chimed in ... there is no comparision between coins and having a family, it's elementary to them and nothing to discuss about it.
The point being ........ you bachelors don't have to give up collecting coins to get married. You can have it all in moderation. And for god's sake, don't tell em you collect coins at first. Tell em your hobby is financial investments or some such thing.
PS I bought a huge collection from a Bachelor that started when he was a teen. He never married, spent all his money on filling coin slots in pretty much every series thru out his lifetime. Instead of changing diapers and teaching how to tie shoe strings, he poured over his coins. Now that he's wheelchair bound near the end of his life, he has no children to pass his coins to. He sold them all to me for much less than retail. I love bachelor coin collectors I never took advantage of him, after all the decades of collecting he was full aware of the values. He was simply ready to let it all go in one final swoop to someone that appreciated what he had, that took him a lifetime to accomplish. He was content to sell many key dates at a bargain, so long as I listened to every story he had to say about how, when and from whom he acquired it from 60 yrs ago. I enjoyed him very much, but personally, I think it's really sad.
Why be sad for someone just because they never married? I never married and have collected coins for the biggest part of my life. It didn't keep me from having a life though. I have enjoyed myself. I've bartended in a topless bar, bartended in a dance club, managed restaurants, and have been working night shift for the last 23 years which allowed me to play golf 4 or 5 times a week. This gave me the ability to do something 98% of golfers will never do, I have shot a sub-par round of golf. I have been in 2 serious relationships in my lifetime but neither lasted. As I stated in an ealier post in this thread I see a young lady way too young for me but we manage. I own my own home, 2 cars, and keep my bills paid. Being single has allowed me to collect coins to a level I never would have been able to had I been married. I will be 62 in 3 weeks and my health is not good, I guess life is catching up with me. But I wouldn't trade 1 minute of it to be married. Well maybe the 10 minutes right after I ran into a hidden brick wall in a field once on a bicycle.
Ron
Edited to add:
I left off my most important accomplishment. I went to college as an old man and graduated at 51 with a 4 year degree in Business Administration. I'm not bragging or anywhere near it, just stating that marriage is not for everyone.
Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.
I think the important thing is not whether you ever get married but whether or not you have kids. I was only married for 3 years but was lucky enough to have a son. He is 12 now and definitely the best part of my life. I dont feel sorry for people who never marry but feel sorry for people who dont have kids. Its one of those things that you dont miss though because you dont understand how great it is until you experience it. And yes I did put coins on the back burner during my younger carousing days!
A fun thread with a lot of neat input. I married late, never told my wife to be I collected anything, she thought I mostly golfed. Thru the years when she discovered I collected various things including coins, she and the kids discovered they did not have to try to come up with a nice gift for me for Christmas and birthdays. I buy the coin, gun or comic book I want and they give it to me as a gift. Not much of a surprise but it is all good, especially the wife and kids, which are the only priceless things I have.
How many guys would be excited about dating for the long term [not just a meaningless fling] and marrying a woman who has a hobby of collecting clay statues of cute bunnies and other gentle forest creatures?
That depends. Do they have little green stickers on them?
"Are there any hot girls out there who consider coin collecting sexy? I'm sure they're out there although I've never seen it. "
You're marketing it all wrong. you don't collect coins. you invest in rare coins.
<< <i>This is a very unhappy topic for me. I'm 33 and have pretty much been single my whole life. I want to meet the right woman, get married, and have a family more than anything. Unfortunately I don't think quitting coins would help me meet woman. I am on eharmony now and that's at least a start. I don't mention coins at all in my profile, although if I honestly answered "what are you most passionate about?", I guess at least for the last 6 years, it would be coins. >>
Edit your eharmony profile. You might miss out on finding a perfect mate; a gorgeous woman who loves "collecting clay statues of cute bunnies " and can cook like Betty Crocker.
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<<This is a very unhappy topic for me. I'm 33 and have pretty much been single my whole life. I want to meet the right woman, get married, and have a family more than anything. Unfortunately I don't think quitting coins would help me meet woman. I am on eharmony now and that's at least a start. I don't mention coins at all in my profile, although if I honestly answered "what are you most passionate about?", I guess at least for the last 6 years, it would be coins. >> Son, listen to me, be happy you're single and have the good life! You're not going to meet any good women on the internets; there's a reason other men don't want them and they have to advertise themselves on the net. I've got 3 ex's running around town and I didn't meet the first one on the net. If a woman ever asks you what your most passionate about tell her smoe crap like long romantic walks on the beach in the moonlight or cooking her a candle light dinner then cuddling up by the fireplace with a bottle of MD20/20. You can cook right?
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<< <i>I don't know the answer but I do have a question. For the general male population, is there a correlation between IQ and marital status? >>
In many ways, I believe there is a correlation. It was that way when I was in high school and college and I still see it happening in adult life.
<< <i>Coin collectors don't always have the best relationship with women, and really should stay single.
This one middle aged coin collector was sitting in his overstuffed recliner one day, wearing his favorite smoking jacket, and reading the latest blurb by his hero, Q David Bowers.
His wife came into the room and slugged him in the kisser.
It sorta surprised him and he asked her why she'd hit him, as he wiped away the blood.
She then pulled out a piece of paper and said she'd found it in his coat pocket, and it had "Linda Lou" written on it.
He said, Honey......... I went to the races last Friday, that was the name of the horse I bet on.
His wife was real sorry and asked him to forgive her.
A few weeks went by, and the guy was again sitting in his chair, reading the latest issue of Coin World when his wife came in and clobbered him in the head with a cast iron frying pan.
Holding his aching head, he asked her why she'd hit him.
She said, .........Your horse called today,.............. it's pregnant.
Ray >>
A coin dealer and his wifey were driving to a coin show when suddenly she looked at him and delivered a substantial wallop to his chops. After a bit he asked what was that for. She said, that's for 20 years of lousy sex.
A bit farther down the road he looked at his wife and let fly a backhand right along side her haid. What was that for wifey wanted to know?
That's for knowing the difference.
AHHH COINS.........
<< <i>My wife and I collect together. She tells me what she likes and I buy it... She also has completed multiple sets... She loves coins, Large notes, and Silver... we spend a lot of time going to shows, auctions, and flea markets... always looking for a deal. I have a great life partner who loves coins and me. It is a blessing.
JOhn >>
Same here. My wife spent at least 2 hours on the internet today, looking for a coin show or coin auction that we could take in during our vacation to the beach in October. We spent the past weekend at a show in Pa. She bought another gold panda today. She has half of a SD box full or gold and platinum plus 2 $500 and a $1000 note. She also collects seated dimes in vf or better and large currency. We anr in our later years and having a ball.
I used to run competitively, and I was far more concerned at that point in time about running a faster marathon or lowering my 10K time than about whom I was dating. What you do with your life is all about your priorities. I've been collecting coins since 1963, and in all of that time, I've only seen ONE coin that "had my name on it" (I never got it; long story).
Btw, I liked that joke about Linda Lou. My favorite is about penguins and midget nuns, which I can't put on this forum.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
Gary
1.) Physical attributes. A lot of coin guys aren't active enough and don't have physically attractive features. Coin collecting really is a sedentary hobby.
2.) Grooming habits. The guys can do much more to positively enhance their outward appearance. If you've been to a coin show it isn't difficult to conclude that coin people are deficient in this area.
3.) The "dork" factor. Collecting coins just isn't a chic hobby, especially to the younger and attractive female crowd.
4.) Social ineptness. Though there are social opportunities with other collectors, coin collecting is often a solitary hobby that doesn't grant much opportunity for someone to practice their interpersonal skills and when and if there are social opportunities it's almost always with other men. Face it, a lot of coin guys wouldn't know what to do if they were served some on a silver platter, despite what they may say verbally or think they can do according to their dreams. Perhaps personality abnormalities such as OCD or manic attitudes have something to do with this as well.
5.) Time. Either you have time to entertain women or you have time to assemble a super coin collection, but you don't have enough time to do both.
6.) Liability. There is a belief that a woman can negatively interfere with your ability to dedicate enough time to your enjoyment of numismatics.
7.) The guys I call "The Armageddon/Dale Gribble" types. As one post alluded to, numismatics does attract a sizeable number of the folks who believe in every imaginable government conspiracy and who are the militia, hoard ammo, gold, and be ready to fight the New World Order types. To the vast majority of the population people who fit that profile come off as total wackjobs. Wackjob personalities don't often attract many women who don't share those similar beliefs.
Are there any other factors we've missed so far? How about the flip side of this discussion? Would a few women members like to add their two cents?
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Before finding my sweetie, I never had any problem attracting women - and I don't think your characterization of anyone who sympathize with the above are wackjobs. Sorry, try again.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>numismatics does attract a sizeable number of the folks who are the militia, hoard ammo, gold and be ready to fight the New World Order types. To the vast majority of the population people who fit that profile come off as total wackjobs. Wackjob personalities don't often attract many women.
JMSKI52
Before finding my sweetie, I never had any problem attracting women - and I don't think your characterization of anyone who sympathize with the above are wackjobs. Sorry, try again. >>
I agree with Wei. I speak as a person who learned to shoot when my age was in the single digits and, while I currently don't own a gun, I still enjoy firing off some rounds now and then. There is a substantial difference between someone who plans for a rainy day and a person who girds their loins for Armageddon. There definitely seems to be a higher percentage of serious "fill-in-your-phobia-here" wackjobs amongst the numismatic fraternity than in the general population.
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<< <i>In many ways reading the responses has been entertaining. Going by the consensus I've seen, these are the likely conclusions I can gather pertaining to the adult bachelorhood dilemma plaguing many male coin enthusiasts:
1.) Physical attributes. A lot of coin guys aren't active enough and don't have physically attractive features. Coin collecting really is a sedentary hobby.
2.) Grooming habits. The guys can do much more to positively enhance their outward appearance. If you've been to a coin show it isn't difficult to conclude that coin people are deficient in this area.
3.) The "dork" factor. Collecting coins just isn't a chic hobby, especially to the younger and attractive female crowd.
4.) Social ineptness. Though there are social opportunities with other collectors, coin collecting is often a solitary hobby that doesn't grant much opportunity for someone to practice their interpersonal skills and when and if there are social opportunities it's almost always with other men. Face it, a lot of coin guys wouldn't know what to do if they were served some on a silver platter, despite what they may say verbally or think they can do according to their dreams. Perhaps personality abnormalities such as OCD or manic attitudes have something to do with this as well.
5.) Time. Either you have time to entertain women or you have time to assemble a super coin collection, but you don't have enough time to do both.
6.) Liability. There is a belief that a woman can negatively interfere with your ability to dedicate enough time to your enjoyment of numismatics.
7.) The guys I call "The Armageddon/Dale Gribble" types. As one post alluded to, numismatics does attract a sizeable number of the folks who believe in every imaginable government conspiracy and who are the militia, hoard ammo, gold, and be ready to fight the New World Order types. To the vast majority of the population people who fit that profile come off as total wackjobs. Wackjob personalities don't often attract many women who don't share those similar beliefs.
Are there any other factors we've missed so far? How about the flip side of this discussion? Would a few women members like to add their two cents? >>
Although I think you're generalizing quite a bit here, of the things on your list I honestly think the biggest one is #3, and possibly #5, at least in my case. At the risk of this sounding like a personals ad...I am single, 45, 6'4", 195 lbs., not fat or ugly (at least I think I'm not ugly), don't smoke, drink very seldom, shower daily, and am reasonably well groomed, as I deal with the public daily. I'm educated, run a coin business, own my home, drive a Corvette and play blues and jazz guitar...and I have plenty of non-numismatic hobbies. Not that I try to impress a woman with all that, but the point is...it's not like I am a TOTAL dud or a jerk. I'm a firearm and gold owner but certainly not a survivalist, bipolar, OCD, or a whackjob by any stretch of the imagination... yet I often have problems with meeting women, or holding their interest at a minimum...
Why, you ask? Because... when the subject gets around to what I do, almost invariably her face noticeably changes and gets that "oh...isn't that interesting.... NEXT!" kind of look. Numismatics as a hobby or even a profession often gets looked upon as a "geek" kind of thing and isn't looked upon as a "real" job I guess. I swear that once they hear "coin collecting" or "coin dealer", it wouldn't matter if you looked like Brad Pitt...they still instantly equate you with the dude in that movie "The 40-year-old Virgin". Seriously.
I really think that another part of the problem is that I do what I do 6 days a week, sometimes 7 if shows are involved... and that cuts down on available time. And let's face it-the women that come into a coin store are usually either already attached or over 60, which cuts down the number of opportunities to meet single women at work-plus it seems a bit unprofessional to hit on women customers (though I admit I've gotten a couple dates that way in the past... but I digress).
All that said, it's not like I never date-I've had a couple serious relationships...lived with someone for a while, had another relationship that lasted roughly a year and a half or so... but since then it's been hit and miss...and it's fairly obvious to me that what I do for a living doesn't exactly help!
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
Anyways just for the record, some years ago when I was totally single and alone I did have two girls who refused to go out with me, specifically citing the fact that I was involved with the business of coins. As one of the girls stated, "coin collecting is so dorky!" One time I showed her a very nice Morgan Dollar (valued at about $3000 at that time) and she responded by telling me that I should have bought a used Mazda Miata with the money instead.
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Have you looked around? You see short people with short mates, heavier people with heavier mates, tall with tall, etc..
There is no shortage of any of the above; so, once one decides to enter the arena, there ARE choices.
Some choose NOT TO enter. Some do. The argument cold be made for any hobby or profession that it is "unattractive to others"......including Treasury Secretary.
Miles
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You'd have to show me some $100 million study done by the U. S. Govt. that shows the correlation
between coins, houses, cars, motorcycles, etc., to answer that question.
My wife abides my collecting very well thank you.
I've shown her the prices of coins from 1950 through now and she agrees I'm not extravagant.
JT
I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
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<< <i>None of my girlfriends ever understood why I collect coins. >>
Yeah, but you probably didn't get why they needed five dozen pairs of shoes, most of which look basically the same.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
I never thought about this very much, but I will say this... I am 34, single and I have very little trouble with women. I also work 60+ hours a week and you guys who know what I have been up to know that I spend a lot of time on my coin collecting.
So?
I also ride my Motorcycle every chance I get and have plenty of time to go out with the ladies in my life. Here's what I have found, women generally do NOT find coin collecting amusing... "Hey you wanna swing by my house and check out my VAMs?" is NOT a good line to use. If I go out with a woman for a few times and hobbies come up I'll mention Coin Collecting, usually saying something (after I get a look of disgust) along the lines of "It's a hobby but it's also a really safe long term investment and it's been way better than the stock market, especially lately"
Now I am smart and clever, not some geek. In their eyes anyway
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Tom
The reason I collect coins now is the availability of discretionary income at a level sufficient to hold my interest. Didn't have that 3 years ago.
Discretionary income also explains why I drove a pickup truck for almost 15 years, until six months ago when I bough a lightly used sporty car.
I wouldn't infer too much from a man's interests. Circumstance and timing has a lot to do with things.
<< <i>Are there any hot girls out there who consider coin collecting sexy? I'm sure they're out there although I've never seen it. >>
Well there might be a few, as I see the eHarmony commercial with the guy mentioning he can find 5000 women that like Soccer!
I have seen a few single woman coin collectors and for the most part they weren't too bad. if u know what i mean by bad. I did encouner a young hot thing at the santa clara show once and she was doing the 70 or so classic commems in high ms grade, so looks like she had a few bucks to spare and she was being ultra picky with the coins too
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Would this observation hold with dealers also? I would imagine the dealers with large firms would be seen more in the 'business' model, but how about with the majority of dealers who set up at local shows?
This is not neceesarily a male phenomena.
How many guys would be excited about dating for the long term [not just a meaningless fling] and marrying a woman who has a hobby of collecting clay statues of cute bunnies and other gentle forest creatures? Hundreds of these statues located all over the woman's home? Books and catalogues on her hobby lying around. Trips to hobby shoes where she buys and sells these statues.
You can find persons of both sexes who, for whatever reason, never marry or marry but end up divorced and never remarry. It is just not limited to men. There are plenty of women in that situation also.
Some people just relate better to inanimate objects than they do with other people.
Traveling to coin shows and having kids don"t mix.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>Just as a reminder to everybody, I try to keep this thread lighthearted and "conclusions" 1 through 7 are simply broad generalizations. Sure there are exceptions to everything but in my years if observing the folks I see on both sides of the bourse table things just make me wonder...
Anyways just for the record, some years ago when I was totally single and alone I did have two girls who refused to go out with me, specifically citing the fact that I was involved with the business of coins. As one of the girls stated, "coin collecting is so dorky!" One time I showed her a very nice Morgan Dollar (valued at about $3000 at that time) and she responded by telling me that I should have bought a used Mazda Miata with the money instead. >>
She was right about the Miata!
Comparing things that discretionary income gets spent upon, I get much more enjoyment out of a family vacation than I do from my coins. If I were in the position of chosing one or the other, I would take the former.
<< <i>Wei,
Would this observation hold with dealers also? I would imagine the dealers with large firms would be seen more in the 'business' model, but how about with the majority of dealers who set up at local shows? >>
Obviously I'm making blanket generalizations here, but considering the career dealers (the people who've done numismatics full time since they were young, not the ones who became full time later in life) it seems that the rate of adult bachelorhood is somewhat higher than that of the general population and the ones who are married and have children did so much later in life than the mainstream time frame. Many of the full time dealers today tend to be about my parents' age (mid 50's to early 60's) and I've noticed that it isn't unusual for them to have kids who are still teen aged, which would mean they didn't have kids until they were in their 40's. I myself just turned 30 and my parents (my dad in particular) has always felt the age gap between the two of us is unusually wide. He has friends who are around the same age as him and most of them have at least one child over the age of 40.
Of course these trends aren't absolute. As far as today's younger dealers go, most are married and live normal lives when outside of the numismatic bourse circuit life. Of the dealers age 30 and under, I believe Melissa Karstedt, Michael Berkman and myself are the only ones who aren't married yet.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Just as a reminder to everybody, I try to keep this thread lighthearted and "conclusions" 1 through 7 are simply broad generalizations. Sure there are exceptions to everything but in my years if observing the folks I see on both sides of the bourse table things just make me wonder...
Anyways just for the record, some years ago when I was totally single and alone I did have two girls who refused to go out with me, specifically citing the fact that I was involved with the business of coins. As one of the girls stated, "coin collecting is so dorky!" One time I showed her a very nice Morgan Dollar (valued at about $3000 at that time) and she responded by telling me that I should have bought a used Mazda Miata with the money instead. >>
She was right about the Miata!
Comparing things that discretionary income gets spent upon, I get much more enjoyment out of a family vacation than I do from my coins. If I were in the position of chosing one or the other, I would take the former. >>
For the record I hated those Miatas. They weren't real roadsters and if anything larger than a Camry hit it they would be crushed like ripped tinfoil. Besides, my first "serious" - whatever that meant in teen terms - girlfriend in high school drove one (a brand new one her rich parents got her when she got her license complete with a personal license plate reading: "TASH" - her parents nickname for her - a name I never ever called her by...anyways I digress) and I've despised them ever since.
Nowadays if you told a girl you spent $3000 on a coin they would tell you you should've spent that money on an HD TV instead.
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Wei - Do you think Michael would agree to settle the contest with a coin flip?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I'm not convinced of that. Aki does fine for himself when I'm away.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I'll split whatever money I can get for her over in Nuevo Laredo with you, 60/40.
"Are there any hot girls out there who consider coin collecting sexy? I'm sure they're out there although I've never seen it. "
Interesting thread! My wife, who I think is hot, thought it was sexy when I sold a coin and the proceeds are paying for a trip to Disney World for us and our 2 boys.
<< <i>"Are there any hot girls out there who consider coin collecting sexy? I'm sure they're out there although I've never seen it. "
Interesting thread! My wife, who I think is hot, thought it was sexy when I sold a coin and the proceeds are paying for a trip to Disney World for us and our 2 boys. >>
So it sounds like the trip to WDW, and not the coin was sexy.
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<< <i>Traveling to coin shows and having kids don"t mix. >>
Don't tell my wife that! My 12 week old and 18 month old are keeping her quite busy!
ROFL, this was an amusing thread. Honestly, I didn't know there was so many misfits among us,
I'm still laughing at the thought of this in my mind
How many guys would be excited about dating for the long term [not just a meaningless fling] and marrying a woman who has a hobby of collecting clay statues of cute bunnies and other gentle forest creatures? Hundreds of these statues located all over the woman's home? Books and catalogues on her hobby lying around. Trips to hobby shoes where she buys and sells these statues.
Maybe I should find a new hobby since so many of you reflect badly on me.
Put me down for being (almost) normal. Been collecting a bit before 1964, following my father and older brothers footsteps. I've been with the same HOT woman for 29 years after being with MANY other HOT women before then. I've never had a problem having relationships. Both my kids have a coin collection, although they do it mostly for investment. I've started them both off with 2 pounds of gold coins each (purchased when spot was around 260/oz).
My wife works full time, runs marathons and 100+ mile bike races. Both those hobbies are not cheap. But it does keep her HOT for her age. She gets my support, and I in turn never hear a negative thing about my coin collecting from her.
I have a Senior in College getting no student loans or financial assistance to help me pay the costs, next year his grad school will cost me 4x his undergrad tuition. Daughter will be in College soon. I've been buying coins the same time I've bought diapers, braces for both, paid for their dates, right up to buying their first cars. For you Bachelors, you no idea the cost of raising a family, but its all been worth it a million times over. My coin buying has never skipped a beat. How has that been possible when I always feel broke !!!! Most of my expendable income goes into coins. I won't spend a dime on myself until I'm practically forced to. Drive a 21 yr old SUV with 350k miles, get many of my essential clothes as gifts from my Mother in law, footwear I wear til the tread is smooth as worn pennies, eat 99¢ hotdogs for lunch when I'm out etc etc. That's how I justify spending insane amounts on coins/currency and bullion. Instead of a new pair of shoes, I figure I'll buy more silver instead. Other than that, I think I'm pretty normal. I shower daily, exercise regulary, not fat, and haven't gotten hoplessly grumpy in my older age. I just can't stand the thought of buying something that depreciates right after purchase, my money goes into Assets. It could be said, that I'm this way to compensate for all the waste the other family members incur. IDK. I do know that my life would not be a fraction as fulfilling without having a family. If I had no family, I'd be too busy looking for a mate to collect coins. In hindsight, I wouldn't have given up the married life for a 1933 $20 Gaudens or any other physical possession. That's why I'm guessing no woman has chimed in ... there is no comparision between coins and having a family, it's elementary to them and nothing to discuss about it.
The point being ........ you bachelors don't have to give up collecting coins to get married. You can have it all in moderation. And for god's sake, don't tell em you collect coins at first. Tell em your hobby is financial investments or some such thing.
PS
I bought a huge collection from a Bachelor that started when he was a teen. He never married, spent all his money on filling coin slots in pretty much every series thru out his lifetime. Instead of changing diapers and teaching how to tie shoe strings, he poured over his coins. Now that he's wheelchair bound near the end of his life, he has no children to pass his coins to. He sold them all to me for much less than retail. I love bachelor coin collectors
Ron
Edited to add:
I left off my most important accomplishment. I went to college as an old man and graduated at 51 with a 4 year degree in Business Administration. I'm not bragging or anywhere near it, just stating that marriage is not for everyone.
That depends. Do they have little green stickers on them?
"Are there any hot girls out there who consider coin collecting sexy? I'm sure they're out there although I've never seen it. "
You're marketing it all wrong. you don't collect coins. you invest in rare coins.
<< <i>This is a very unhappy topic for me. I'm 33 and have pretty much been single my whole life.
Edit your eharmony profile.
You might miss out on finding a perfect mate; a gorgeous woman who loves "collecting clay statues of cute bunnies " and can cook like Betty Crocker.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Cool, I always wanted to post that!
<<This is a very unhappy topic for me. I'm 33 and have pretty much been single my whole life. I want to meet the right woman, get married, and have a family more than anything. Unfortunately I don't think quitting coins would help me meet woman. I am on eharmony now and that's at least a start. I don't mention coins at all in my profile, although if I honestly answered "what are you most passionate about?", I guess at least for the last 6 years, it would be coins. >>
Son, listen to me, be happy you're single and have the good life! You're not going to meet any good women on the internets; there's a reason other men don't want them and they have to advertise themselves on the net. I've got 3 ex's running around town and I didn't meet the first one on the net. If a woman ever asks you what your most passionate about tell her smoe crap like long romantic walks on the beach in the moonlight or cooking her a candle light dinner then cuddling up by the fireplace with a bottle of MD20/20. You can cook right?