Somethings telling me there is hidden information about the whole deal to be found in that email that "expert" sent,,,,,,,,, if no email even existed,,,,, this deals consummated by everyone and the only one aware of the buyers good fortune is the "expert" who noticed the items rarity,,,,, something in the original post about the emails not sitting well with me,,,,, its like the "expert" either innocently interfered with another buyers transaction,,,, or did it on purpose,,,,,, the contents/wording of that email and its timing would tell me the experts intent,,,,,,
Now--- about why some would follow through on the deal,,,,,,,,, and why others would not,,,,,,
Coke machine spits out 2 sodas,,,, would people take the second soda and consider themselves lucky that day?? Its less than a buck or so now,,,, what would many do???
While many would take that second soda and either silently or publicly crow about their good fortune that day ,,,,,,,, there are some of us in this sad little world who operate differently ,,,, and would return the second soda to the party responsible for handling the machines letting them know of a possible malfunction,,,,,
Storm's post nailed the issue directly on the head about why the entire scenario presents issues,,,, its all about the MONEY involved ,,,,,,,, it turns this "hypothetical" question from the "personal decision about what we'd do" ,,,,, into some business perspective on how to handle a sticky business transaction,,,,,, takes the seller from hobbyist and turns them into a shark deftly maneuvering through ever swirling business waters,,,,,, waters capable of devouring sharks,,,,,,
How we'd react will depend on how our own backgrounds have told us is the proper course to take,,,,,
Interesting subject matter Steve,,,, thanks for the post its actually rather interesting "hobby" discussion,,,,, very refreshing and thought provoking
I'd be interested to hear how the seller handled the transaction and how they dealt with the buyer throughout the entire process,,,,,,, keep us appraised,,,,,,
Good question. Even with the morals that I have, it would be hard to walk away leaving that amount. Then again I hate it when I find a very rare card and get it at a cheap price and the deals falls thru, likely to too low of an ending price. Most likely I'd email the buyer and see if he knew this was a different variation. If he knows, it's his. If not, I know other E/V collectors who would appretiate it more and he's likely to find another 'non rare version' and offer to cancel the deal and give him around 25%-50% of what I thought the difference would be if I resold it correctly listed.
when 4sc listed a 72 topps card for $20 buy it now and it was a low pop card worth $500 and backed out of the deal with a board member here, everyone through a fit and said 4sc were dirty scumbags and they wont do business with them again.
I guess everyones position is, if you are the seller you back out and get more money, if you are the buyer, you throw a fit and scream deal is a deal, man up at the top of your lungs!
no ethics here folks, just a bunch of babies who will be on the side that puts money in their pocket.
We only heard half the story. (not saying I don't believe the forum member) but....
if they came here and defended their position by saying they meant to start the BIN at 500.00 and mistakenly put it at 20.00 then I'd have agreed with them.
From what I remember they notified the buyer that he was not getting the card at that price.
Or they claimed they lost it or some BS was given.
<< <i>I guess everyones position is, if you are the seller you back out and get more money, if you are the buyer, you throw a fit and scream deal is a deal, man up at the top of your lungs!
no ethics here folks, just a bunch of babies who will be on the side that puts money in their pocket. >>
I'm on the side of re-selling the item for a higher price, but I also believe the buyer should be gracious enough to let the seller keep his $4000.
I saw a newly listed 77T set last year with BIN of 9.99. I didn't jump on it, I emailed the seller and asked what was up. He said should have been 99.99 and I had him relist and I bought it at 99.99. I could have had it at 9.99, deals a deal, but it is his item and he deserves to get fair value for it.
So there are ethics here - just because I think the seller should be allowed to get his money's worth, does not mean I'd try to pitch a fit if I were on the other side.
And that is the false assumption that some are making - that if the tables were turned, EVERYONE would complain. Not true. I bet most people here would be a lot more understanding than that.
<< <i>when 4sc listed a 72 topps card for $20 buy it now and it was a low pop card worth $500 and backed out of the deal with a board member here, everyone through a fit and said 4sc were dirty scumbags and they wont do business with them again.
I guess everyone's position is, if you are the seller you back out and get more money, if you are the buyer, you throw a fit and scream deal is a deal, man up at the top of your lungs!
no ethics here folks, just a bunch of babies who will be on the side that puts money in their pocket. >>
It seemed that 4SC made a listing error, and listed the wrong card. Why should 4SC, or any seller for that matter, once a mistake had been realized, and the item didn't ship,
remedy the situation by nullifying the sale, and refunding the buyer?
It would be quite obvious to anyone into card collecting that this was a listing error, nothing more. 4SC or any seller for that matter, should not have to make good on that sale.
And the buyer should know that also. For that buyer was trying to get a $500 item for twenty bucks. Where is the ethics in that?
True story: (I do not if anyone here remembers this or not? As it was posted some years ago here!)
I bought an unopened fun bag from KRUK CARDS, just to have some "ripping fun".
Kruk's dumb shipping department, sent me a huge (whole) case of fun bags. Can you imagine my surprise when I received "a ton of fun bags" instead of only one?
I freaked out!
I was able to keep a couple of extra fun bags for my honesty, and KRUK also sent me a gift cert. (I think $100 or maybe $50? I can't remember) for my troubles, and of course reimbursed me for my return freight costs. (Could have bought 3 more fun bags just for the shipping costs! LOL!)...
Many would have kept the case, as if winning the Lotto! Let's face it, it was quite possible that Kruk Cards may have never pursued trying to get the case returned, I'll never know that!
It just felt right for me to return the case.
Can you imagine ripping a whole case of Fun bags, filled with assorted wax packs from the 70s and 80s? Wow!
I did get to rip a few fun bags instead of just one, plus I did get some freebies out of that Kruk gift cert. All-in-all, I did the right thing, I'm 100% sure!
rd
P.S. I do not remember which is the correct scan, so I post both! LOL! (I'm, pretty sure the case contained the "27 pack" variety?)
Bottom line to me is this: Most people here would complete the deal over a couple of bucks, most however would not over a couple thousand. My self included. Does this mean we are a bunch of moral hypocrites? I am not sure.
My comment wasnt directed at this board or anyone individual obviously. It was meant as a general comment about people and the survival of the fittest mentality.
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Wife.
Child.
Burning house.
Can only save one.
Save wife?
Save child?
Save wife and can always have more children.
Save child and can always get remarried.
What if wife is "the one"?
Now--- about why some would follow through on the deal,,,,,,,,, and why others would not,,,,,,
Coke machine spits out 2 sodas,,,, would people take the second soda and consider themselves lucky that day?? Its less than a buck or so now,,,, what would many do???
While many would take that second soda and either silently or publicly crow about their good fortune that day ,,,,,,,, there are some of us in this sad little world who operate differently ,,,, and would return the second soda to the party responsible for handling the machines letting them know of a possible malfunction,,,,,
Storm's post nailed the issue directly on the head about why the entire scenario presents issues,,,, its all about the MONEY involved ,,,,,,,, it turns this "hypothetical" question from the "personal decision about what we'd do" ,,,,, into some business perspective on how to handle a sticky business transaction,,,,,, takes the seller from hobbyist and turns them into a shark deftly maneuvering through ever swirling business waters,,,,,, waters capable of devouring sharks,,,,,,
How we'd react will depend on how our own backgrounds have told us is the proper course to take,,,,,
Interesting subject matter Steve,,,, thanks for the post its actually rather interesting "hobby" discussion,,,,, very refreshing and thought provoking
I'd be interested to hear how the seller handled the transaction and how they dealt with the buyer throughout the entire process,,,,,,, keep us appraised,,,,,,
Jeff
It was strictly hypothetical.
Steve
I guess everyones position is, if you are the seller you back out and get more money, if you are the buyer, you throw a fit and scream deal is a deal, man up at the top of your lungs!
no ethics here folks, just a bunch of babies who will be on the side that puts money in their pocket.
We only heard half the story. (not saying I don't believe the forum member) but....
if they came here and defended their position by saying they meant to start the BIN at 500.00
and mistakenly put it at 20.00 then I'd have agreed with them.
From what I remember they notified the buyer that he was not getting the card at that price.
Or they claimed they lost it or some BS was given.
Steve
<< <i>I guess everyones position is, if you are the seller you back out and get more money, if you are the buyer, you throw a fit and scream deal is a deal, man up at the top of your lungs!
no ethics here folks, just a bunch of babies who will be on the side that puts money in their pocket. >>
I'm on the side of re-selling the item for a higher price,
but I also believe the buyer should be gracious enough to let the seller keep his $4000.
I saw a newly listed 77T set last year with BIN of 9.99. I didn't jump on it, I emailed the seller and asked what was up. He said should have been 99.99 and I had him relist and I bought it at 99.99. I could have had it at 9.99, deals a deal, but it is his item and he deserves to get fair value for it.
So there are ethics here - just because I think the seller should be allowed to get his money's worth, does not mean I'd try to pitch a fit if I were on the other side.
And that is the false assumption that some are making - that if the tables were turned, EVERYONE would complain. Not true. I bet most people here would be a lot more understanding than that.
<< <i>when 4sc listed a 72 topps card for $20 buy it now and it was a low pop card worth $500 and backed out of the deal with a board member here, everyone through a fit and said 4sc were dirty scumbags and they wont do business with them again.
I guess everyone's position is, if you are the seller you back out and get more money, if you are the buyer, you throw a fit and scream deal is a deal, man up at the top of your lungs!
no ethics here folks, just a bunch of babies who will be on the side that puts money in their pocket. >>
It seemed that 4SC made a listing error, and listed the wrong card. Why should 4SC, or any seller for that matter, once a mistake had been realized, and the item didn't ship,
remedy the situation by nullifying the sale, and refunding the buyer?
It would be quite obvious to anyone into card collecting that this was a listing error, nothing more. 4SC or any seller for that matter, should not have to make good on that sale.
And the buyer should know that also. For that buyer was trying to get a $500 item for twenty bucks. Where is the ethics in that?
True story: (I do not if anyone here remembers this or not? As it was posted some years ago here!)
I bought an unopened fun bag from KRUK CARDS, just to have some "ripping fun".
Kruk's dumb shipping department, sent me a huge (whole) case of fun bags. Can you imagine my surprise when I received "a ton of fun bags" instead of only one?
I freaked out!
I was able to keep a couple of extra fun bags for my honesty, and KRUK also sent me a gift cert. (I think $100 or maybe $50? I can't remember) for my troubles, and of course reimbursed me for my return freight costs. (Could have bought 3 more fun bags just for the shipping costs! LOL!)...
Many would have kept the case, as if winning the Lotto! Let's face it, it was quite possible that Kruk Cards may have never pursued trying to get the case returned, I'll never know that!
It just felt right for me to return the case.
Can you imagine ripping a whole case of Fun bags, filled with assorted wax packs from the 70s and 80s? Wow!
I did get to rip a few fun bags instead of just one, plus I did get some freebies out of that Kruk gift cert. All-in-all, I did the right thing, I'm 100% sure!
rd
P.S. I do not remember which is the correct scan, so I post both! LOL! (I'm, pretty sure the case contained the "27 pack" variety?)
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