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RichRRichR Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭✭✭

If this is even half true...BE VERY AFRAID!

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China pushes silver and gold investment to the masses
A report suggests that the Chinese government is pushing the general public into buying gold and silver bullion, which could have a dramatic effect on the markets.

Author: Lawrence Williams
Posted: Thursday , 03 Sep 2009

LONDON -

We are indebted again to Paul Mylchreest's Thunder Road Report for news that will bring big smiles to gold and silver investors everywhere. Apparently China is pushing the idea of buying gold and silver for investment purposes to the general population in the way that Western television sells soap powder. If 1.3 billion Chinese citizens start buying gold and silver, even in tiny quantities, imagine what that will do to the market!

The report notes that China's Central Television, the main state-owned television company, has run a news programme letting the public know how easy it is to buy precious metals as an investment. On silver investment the announcer is quoted as saying " China has introduced its first ever investment opportunity for silver bullion. The bars are available in 500g, 1kg, 2kg and 5kg with a purity of 99.9%. Figures show that gold was fifty times more expensive than silver in 2007, but now that figure has reached over seventy times. Analysts say that silver has been undervalued in recent years. They add that the metal is the right investment for individual investors and could be a good way to cash in."

What appears to have happened in China is a total relaxation of strictures on holding precious metals by the individual with the government pushing gold and silver as an investment option, seemingly at every opportunity. This is a far cry from the situation only a few years ago where the distribution of gold and silver was strictly controlled. Now, the Thunder Road Report notes that every bank will sell gold and silver bullion bars in four different sizes to individuals and gold related investments are said to be soaring in popularity.

Around a year ago, Leyshon Resources managing director, Paul Atherley, in an investor presentation in London - and no doubt delivered elsewhere in the world too - commented that some employees at the company's gold mining project in northern China would, on pay day, go to the local bank and buy a small gold bar as an investment and wealth protector. To an extent we put this down at the time to mining company hype - but this seems to be exactly the same phenomenon noted by Thunder Road. The Chinese are being converted from being the lowest per capita gold consumers in the world to a nation of small precious metals investors. Now, by next year, Chinese consumption of gold is likely to exceed that of India, which has been for years the world's biggest gold market. And one suspects that the potential for gold purchasing by individuals is only in its earliest stages. As more and more Chinese move into the cities and individual wealth grows, this trend is only likely to accelerate.

Paul ends the piece on Chinese gold and silver potential with the following comment: "Simply put, the Chinese government is trying to trigger a national gold craze...and it's working. The Chinese public now has gold trading platforms on steroids.... ...Also, for the first time in history, Chinese investors can even trade gold abroad (in London) with the swipe of a ‘Lucky Gold' card. I can't even get Bank of America to open a foreign currency account."

This may be an overstatement of the case from a precious metals bull - or it may not! Certainly if China is indeed pushing the public to buy gold then there may well be a hidden agenda here. It's unlikely they are doing it and will suddenly pull the rug out from under millions of investors. A cynic (or a raging gold bull) would suggest that this will precede a move to switch a good proportion of the country's reserves into gold which would have a huge effect on the global gold price and could prove disastrous for the dollar. Maybe it's not in China's interests to drive the dollar down too much until it has managed to divest itself of the huge dollar overhang (see the article on Chinese Sovereign Wealth Funds we published yesterday - Chinese sovereign wealth fund dumping dollars for strategic investments like gold ). The country may well already be, of course, surreptitiously building its gold reserves without reporting the build-up.

If the Chinese are indeed beginning to buy gold and silver as the quoted report suggests then this has to be a strong signal that prices are going to rise, and perhaps rise dramatically, in the relatively near future. We await comment from other China watchers for confirmation of the gold and silver buying spree, but with global gold production at best flat and probably in decline, even a small increase in Chinese buying could have a substantial impact on gold and silver prices.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 36,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the Chinese who live in China are anything like the Chinese I used to see at the Boston coin shows, you don’t have to twist their arms to get them to buy gold. They were really hot of the metal at every Boston – Bay State show. The dealers claimed that it was very much a cultural thing.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why not??!!

    Gold, in any form, Liberites, UHR's, Indians, Bullion remain a timley buy....so BUY!!!

    Miles
    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, gold is now at $992.40 and silver is at $16.14...Highest in sometime..... GO GOLD!!! Cheers, RickO
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    RichRRichR Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A visit to the Asian-centric rooms of many casinos would say that the [inherent?] tendency to gamble is also a major cultural issue that this article just touches upon.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beijing's derivative default stance rattles banks

    * China lets state firms default on derivative contracts- report

    * US soy, gold and cotton pressured by report

    * Lawyers doubt legal standing of the move

    * Market suspects more potential losses prompt the move

    * Foreign banks dismayed (Updates with US gold, soy and cotton markets weighed down by reported move; adds analyst quotes, adds CHICAGO to dateline)

    By Eadie Chen and Chen Aizhu

    BEIJING/CHICAGO, Aug 31 - U.S. gold and soybean markets fell on Monday following a weekend report that China's state companies may default on commodity derivative contracts with banks providing over-the-counter hedging services.

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    ahhhh the joys of communism.

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    mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭
    It's always nice to have equity.
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    <<This may be an overstatement of the case from a precious metals bull - or it may not! Certainly if China is indeed pushing the public to buy gold then there may well be a hidden agenda here. It's unlikely they are doing it and will suddenly pull the rug out from under millions of investors. A cynic (or a raging gold bull) would suggest that this will precede a move to switch a good proportion of the country's reserves into gold which would have a huge effect on the global gold price and could prove disastrous for the dollar. Maybe it's not in China's interests to drive the dollar down too much until it has managed to divest itself of the huge dollar overhang (see the article on Chinese Sovereign Wealth Funds we published yesterday - Chinese sovereign wealth fund dumping dollars for strategic investments like gold ). The country may well already be, of course, surreptitiously building its gold reserves without reporting the build-up. >>

    There have been numerous reports that China has been hoarding all sorts of precious metals. Could the hidden agenda possibly be China wants to drive gold up as high as they can so they can dump thier reserves at a huge profit? With a billion plus consumers eagerly standing in line to buy thier share. I would say now might be the time to sit on what ever metals you have. I am glad I started buying last year.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gee, I wish we had a precious metals forum.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was in a B&M inquiring about selling some 40% and 90% half dollars back when silver was ~$17 gold was over $1000 and platinum was up near $2000.


    another customer was telling one of the shop guys how he was going to sell has common double eagles when it hit $1200. (never did)


    (and the dealer only offered me $14 out of $17, so I walked. silver hasn't been that high since.)
    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Why should I be afraid of China? Is it the 'in' thing to be afraid of them?

    I do notice that if I type "I am extremely" into Google and let the autocomplete show suggestions...I get two fearful suggestions.


    China selling precious metals to chinese citizens. "Be very afraid?" I don't think so. I'll save my fear for something more appropriate.

    All mines benefit mightily when gold prices go up. Including the ones in Nevada.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Be very afraid? I guess if they are pushing/buying gold and silver it means they will be using USD dollars to pay for it. In that case US dollar and US Treasury holders may have a right to be afraid.......MJ
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    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    China, the government, is coming online with one of the largest gold mines in China's history.

    My understanding is that it is with Russia's help and the market for gold has to be expanded to
    accommodate the influx of the new metals. Offering the commoner to buy gold is a given.

    However, the commoner has always bought silver and gold. That is also a given. The gov't
    does not really have to encourage their purchase.

    I think that there is a lot of NEW wealth in China and perhaps an abundance of cash. It's a way
    to dispose of the new mining metals of silver and gold.

    China has been limiting the export of gold and silver. They need to keep enough in country to
    satisfy future needs and thus want the populace to purchase. They can get it back as needed
    in a heartbeat as the communists espouse that it's for the mother.

    bob

    PS: I have not read this in any ONE article to refer you to. Just my take on China's economy and
    their mining from coal to platinum.
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220 ✭


    << <i>Why should I be afraid of China? Is it the 'in' thing to be afraid of them?

    I do notice that if I type "I am extremely" into Google and let the autocomplete show suggestions...I get two fearful suggestions.


    China selling precious metals to chinese citizens. "Be very afraid?" I don't think so. I'll save my fear for something more appropriate.

    All mines benefit mightily when gold prices go up. Including the ones in Nevada. >>



    If China raises and captures Gold, then the prices of Rice,Tea,Coffee one of my favorites Moo goo Gy pan will sky rocket... Shanks ya very mush..
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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Remember,
    It costs less than $500 an OZ. to get gold out of the ground.

    Have a nice day
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    For those willing to take a chance on buying stocks in American PM mining,
    there're quite a few available. I jumped into one this week and so far, am ahead of the game.

    JT
    It is health that is real wealth, not pieces of gold and silver. Gandhi.

    I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.

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