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  • dont burn your sack on the scanner.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>dont burn your sack on the scanner. >>



    I never do, lol.
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is just a random ( image ) Mantle signed baseball on Ebay right now, and it is going for well more than $200 - $300.


    Mantle Signed Baseball

    Shane

  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    This is just a random ( ) Mantle signed baseball on Ebay right now, and it is going for well more than $200 - $300.

    That makes sense $200-$300 seemed low. I look forward to seeing a picture.
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This is just a random ( image ) Mantle signed baseball on Ebay right now, and it is going for well more than $200 - $300.


    Mantle Signed Baseball >>




    GUYS -- read what I said. I based my impressions on the signature not being strong, and the ball being in very used condition. Yes, pristine out-of-the-box Mantle signed balls PSA/DNA certified on Ebay go for a lot more than $200 - $300. But this is a purportedly game-used ball. Which is a kind way of saying that there is a unique backstory that ends up in a scuffed, condition-impaired baseball that has a signature on it. Unless the signature is particularly strong, or the ball is somehow game-used but in pristine condition, the ball that we are arguing about here [for which we don't have a picture or scan] is likely to be nowhere near the condition of anything you typically see on Ebay or anything Mickey Mantle signed in the 1970s, 1980s or 1990s. Yes, game-used balls from 55 years ago do exist, and they do exist in signed, pristine form. But those are 1 out of 100, and I imagine that this example looks like a truly game-used baseball with a decent, but not strong signature.

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  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    He's holding out on you. The other sock contained a unique signed COA from Coach's Corner.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    I have ball in hand. Does anyone have an example of a "no-loop" signature. It is on an official AL ball with William Harridge Pres. . It is in pretty good condition and the sig is in good condition but it looks a lot different that the modern examples of mickey's sig. You can see a little resemblencein the loops used on the l and e's.
  • jswietonjswieton Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭
    Lets see some pics!!! That ball is worth some coin if it is legit. I am not sure the year that Mantle started signing with the lupes. I hope the sig is real because that is a nice find.
  • PoppaJPoppaJ Posts: 2,818


    << <i>I have ball in hand. Does anyone have an example of a "no-loop" signature. It is on an official AL ball with William Harridge Pres. . It is in pretty good condition and the sig is in good condition but it looks a lot different that the modern examples of mickey's sig. You can see a little resemblencein the loops used on the l and e's. >>



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    Hi Tommy,

    Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but this one was authenticated by James Spence (JSA).

    It's a "rookie era" Mantle sig on a ball.

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    PoppaJ

  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Any more info on the sock? If possible, I'd like to see a scan of Mantle's knuckle children.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    I found this example of an early 50's sig online and it looks a lot like it. He would not leave the ball here so I could make pictures but I am going home to get my camera right now and going to his house to make pictures. I guess the thing for me to do is start an ebay auction using the pictures and get PSA/DNA to do a quick opinion? I will post pictures when I get back.

    Early Mantle sig.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    Here are the pictures. The didn't turn out as good as I wanted. I tried with flash and it was too bright and the ones without flash don't get the sig as well as I'd like. They also don't show the details of the ball as well as I'd like. The ball is an official American League Ball with William Harridge as pres. It has the company (Beach?) that made the ball. The last picture I put this sig alogside an early 50's sig that was graded 10 by PSA/DNA.

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  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Clubhouse sig.
  • BobSBobS Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    I agree - not Mick's. just my opinion.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,487 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Tommy you are so stupid you don't even realize that all the posts on this very page are proof that people

    do in fact think you are FOS.


    All the sock posts are sardonic ones directed at you, fool.


    Steve >>





    Main Entry: sar·don·ic
    Pronunciation: sär-ˈdä-nik
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: French sardonique, from Greek sardonios
    Date: 1638
    : disdainfully or skeptically humorous : derisively mocking

    That is the vocabulary word of the day. >>

    O'Reilly would be very proud of you Allen!

    But, not a popinjay.

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    Mike
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Don't worry Tommy you still have the socks to check for DNA.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    Nobody wants to hear their ball is no good and telling this guy his ball is no good could cost you the sale on the car. It's also very likely he knows it's no good and figures who better to pass it off to than a used car salesman. Since you said you're getting him for $15,000 on a $12,000 car, make him think he's getting one over on you by allowing him $500 or so for the ball. You make the sale, and have a unique new story to add to the history of the sock ball.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Is the lemon tablecloth available? Paypal ready. LMK.
  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭

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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I stink at this kind of stuff - and don't usually have an opinion - but this does not look like the Micks style of writing - so probably a forgery or clubhouser.

    mike
    Mike
  • mccardguy1mccardguy1 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭
    That looks like a early Mantle signature to me. I purchased a few early Mantles a number of years ago and if authenticated..the early Mantle's are very much in demand and will fetch far more than the 2-300 dollars that were mentioned previously!! I would venture a guess that,if authenticated...close to a grand or more might be the correct value of this ball!

    I could be wrong though!! Thats why JSA makes so much money!!! LOL
    I am on a budget and I am not afraid to use it!!
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    the signature looks a lot like some of the early ones I've found and it looks quite like the one I have pictured next to it. Does JSA do a quick opinion without an ebay auction?
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is the lemon tablecloth available? Paypal ready. LMK. >>



    not sure about the lemon tablecloth. Steve probably has one on his table though. Maybe he'd part with his.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    .....and on the Seventh Day, He declared "there Shall be Autofocus......"
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Not on your life, I'm waiting until I can make up some BS story and claim it is unique.


    Sorta like you do.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>it looks quite like the one I have pictured next to it. >>



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    I guess I'm blind because the two don't look anything like each other. But what do I know.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Not on your life, I'm waiting until I can make up some BS story and claim it is unique.


    Sorta like you do.


    Steve >>



    lol, are you retarded?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Another brilliant post by our resident car guy.


    Hopefully no one here has a relative that suffers from mental retardation.


    20 people mocking him here and he continues to single me out.




    Fool.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • IronmanfanIronmanfan Posts: 5,525 ✭✭✭✭
    i'd send it to Spence just to make sure (too much upside)
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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i'd send it to Spence just to make sure (too much upside) >>



    I would love to send it off to someone, but he wouldn't even let me keep it here to take pictures so I'm sure he wouldn't allow that. He's an older guy and didn't really understand the whole authentication process I was describing as to why I needed the pictures.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Maybe he will let you have the sock?


    AH


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    does anyone have any troll repelent?
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    I'm not convinced it's not real. There are several positives to the sig, several negatives, but the poor photos really make it hard to say anything more than that.
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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm not convinced it's not real. There are several positives to the sig, several negatives, but the poor photos really make it hard to say anything more than that. >>



    Im gonna see if he'll bring it back on Monday when he comes in to do the rest of his paperwork. His house was really poorly lit. I tried taking pictures with the flash but it just made the ball a complete white blur. The guy's house reminded me of that house in Silence of the Lambs. It was very uncomfortable and smelled like moth balls. I could have taken it outside I guess.
  • does your camera have a macro mode on it? it's the mode that usually looks like a flower. use that for close up shots.
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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    alright, just got off the phone with him. I'm gonna swing by his house AGAIN on my way home and try to get some better pictures.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>does your camera have a macro mode on it? it's the mode that usually looks like a flower. use that for close up shots. >>



    yes, it does. I'll try that.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Or, with all your money why not hire a photographer?


    Steve
    Good for you.


  • << <i>Or, with all your money why not hire a photographer?


    Steve >>



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    You guys must have some real beaf with each other. You have been poking him this whole thread. He may deserve it he may not--but it is entertaining...
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Or, with all your money why not hire a photographer?


    Steve >>



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    You guys must have some real beaf with each other. You have been poking him this whole thread. He may deserve it he may not--but it is entertaining... >>



    Is the "beaf" real? Or are you two (Win/Vette) just messing around with each other?

    Patrick
  • initialDinitialD Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭
    First instinct seeing that is

    Walk away........unless it's cheap enough for a gamble
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Or, with all your money why not hire a photographer?


    Steve >>



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    You guys must have some real beaf with each other. You have been poking him this whole thread. He may deserve it he may not--but it is entertaining... >>



    he does that in all of my threads and then plays the victim role. I didn't even know they had internet access under bridges but apparently they do.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Yeah I made the mistake of asking you why you felt it was unique.


    I should have known better then to ask you a simple question.





    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Yeah they have it under bridges, and in your case under rocks.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    only in here could something so simple turn into a brawl.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    alright, here are some more pictures they turned out way better this time.

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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    I don't know crap about autographs but those are much better photos! Better background too! I am interested to hear what the experts think.
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    For a few bucks, you could put the picture on Ebay, do a PSA/DNA quick opinion, and then end the auction early -- and see if they say likely genuine or not
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Tommy, in all seriousness I doubt anyone here can give you a definative answer.

    You have to somehow get a legit opinion from either PSA/DNA or Spence.

    Another person you could try is a guy that posts over at net 54 named Richard Simon.


    He also has a web site devoted to this. Google his name

    I think he charges 10.00. He will at least give you a somewhat legit opinion.

    Please no one take what I said wrong, I am sure many here can also give an opinion on it.

    The fact remains here he will get 50% saying it is legit and 50% that says it is a fake/clubhouse.


    JMHO

    Steve
    Good for you.
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