<< <i>.........unfortunate event for all parties. i'm hoping the shop owner isn't raked across the coals for this. we all know where this usually goes, unfortunately. the law breakers are coddled while the property owners are left to twist in the wind. >>
This seldom happens in real life, but this angle is played up on conservative talk radio and cable TV >>
Well maybe not in such dramatic fashion. If the DA chooses to prosecute he can make your life a living hell. First you must defend yourself at YOUR own expense while the DA who is prosecuting you AND any survivors of the crime are having their salary and public defender paid out of YOUR tax dollars. Also if the DA doesn't like the ammo that you used, he will do his best to make you out as a cold blooded intentional killer.
Even if the jury acquits you, that doesn't stop someone from the victim's family from filing a wrongful death suit against you.
I'm assuming that the majority of comments regarding criminals having rights were never in a situation where a gun was pointed in their face.
Working as a night auditor at a local hotel when I was 18, I was held at gunpoint, robbed, and pistol-whipped; cracking a tooth and knocking 3 teeth through my bottom lip leaving a hole my pinky could fit through. The idiot only got away with, ironically, rolls of pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters totalling less than $40.
It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm.
<< <i>I'm assuming that the majority of comments regarding criminals having rights were never in a situation where a gun was pointed in their face.
Working as a night auditor at a local hotel when I was 18, I was held at gunpoint, robbed, and pistol-whipped; cracking a tooth and knocking 3 teeth through my bottom lip leaving a hole my pinky could fit through. The idiot only got away with, ironically, rolls of pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters totalling less than $40.
It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm. >>
Ain't it the truth. Living in Ivory Towers doesn't provide for the privilige of meeting a truely bad person who derives pleasure in the pain of others.
1. Good for the shop owner. It's guys like this that show the rest of us how we need to stand up against the criminal element in this country, because politicians and the courts sure won't.
2. I hear comments (devil's advocate, or otherwise I'm not concerned) about what was the owner doing there, was he lying in wait, and why doesn't he move his store. The way I see it, IT'S HIS STORE and he has a right to be there. As far a why has he not moved, why should he? Why don't trash stop robbing? Why is it there are some people seem to always want to go back to blaming the victim? The man's rights, property and safety were CLEARLY in danger. If they weren't the 2 "gentlemen" wouldn't find it necessary to hide their faces and use pry bars at 4 in the AM.
3. As far as the folks concerned about the mental, emotional and moral implications to killing an EVILDOER, let me say this...Taking a scumbags life may bother you (and I applaud you for your concern - you have my respect), let a person(s) break into my alarmed and armed home while myself and my family are here. I'd be more than happy to spread their brains on my wall in front of their mothers and then go soundly back to sleep.
Bottom line in my mind....if you want to be safe in this world you can't depend on Obama to do it. If you want to be a criminal and try to take whats not yours, better be ready to face what you have coming.
Thanks for reading. >>
Other than Supreme Court appointments which must be approved by Congress, the President of the US does not have any say in California State Law Mr. Brooks!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm. >>
I've never had a gun pointed at me, but I have come home to find my house burglarized. If you've never had the experience, I can attest to the crystallizing effect it has on one's opinions regarding criminals and what should be done with them should they be caught and convicted.
<< <i>It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm. >>
I think that's the most important thing to remember. It's easy to theorize and create scenarios describing what someone should or shouldn't have done. But if you're in a potential life-or-death situation and you have only seconds (if that) to make a decision, err on the side of your own safety and security every time.
<< <i>I'm assuming that the majority of comments regarding criminals having rights were never in a situation where a gun was pointed in their face.
Working as a night auditor at a local hotel when I was 18, I was held at gunpoint, robbed, and pistol-whipped; cracking a tooth and knocking 3 teeth through my bottom lip leaving a hole my pinky could fit through. The idiot only got away with, ironically, rolls of pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters totalling less than $40.
It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm. >>
That is the sole reason why I still carry a CWP.. I was robbed at gunpoint in my store I managed back in 1982. It was a set up and they got away with over $60k+.. The welfare office of Washington Dc was right next store and our owner cashed their checks once a month.
It was 4:30 am and the store didn't open until 7am, but the receiver that checked in the vendors open and closed the back door when the bell rung. The intruders got in that way. They acosted the meat,produce,dairy managers and locked them in the freezer and my receiver died later after a major pistol whipping sustained to his head.. The other manager that was checking on the other employees was running up the isle and told me to lock to the safe.. Well when I turned around a guy with a chrome 38cal put it to my head and told me to load up the bag of all paper money..
Well long story short, they were caught, one of my employees dead and years of court trials and fear because of constant threats from low life family and friends.. I did have my home broken into and was voliated that was also in the 90's too...
I know the law in Maryland about use of guns, I was later a store detective and have been to court many, many times for Employee theft and shoplifters. Now With my disability and past history of crimes against me I cannot fight like many young studs and wouldn't even try if I could, so Maryland continues to offer me a CWP if I desire but must still go to class every two years for updates and policys.
If anyone would voliate my home or attempt to do bodily harm to me or love one within my home or somewhere down on I-95 in Maryland. *Let's get is straight* Corner me and attempt on my families life or mine, simply, Due process takes over and If I follow protocat in my training after the investigation I will be found not guilty..
It is not what I want to happen in the future.. But it is what happens to many and this coin shop owner every freakin day.
I am prepared and will take all actions.. Being tuff is one thing, being smart and alive is another thing.
Hope the best also for both families in this tragedy.
BBN, you don't seem to realize that people diagnosed as psychopathic would have no qualms whatsoever, and that is by definition, and yet they are still "human beings". So you are clearly wrong in your assertion.
Also, one does not need to be a psychopath in order to sleep well after killing someone, so please stop with your hand wringing. If you could not sleep, then fine. Others will do the job for you when and if it becomes necessary, and if they happen to be in a position to come to your aid. If not, then I guess you'll have to hope you can stop wringing your hands long enough and quickly enough to take action yourself.
By the way, if I kill a thug, I am not sending him to Hell, (as you implied in a previous post). To claim otherwise and still claim to be a Christian is to assert that your God is neither sovereign nor just. I myself deserve to be sent to Hell, and that straight away, but my claim is solely on the mercy of my God, not my "goodness", so thankfully I will not get what I absolutely deserve. If the dead man is now in Hell, I assert that his presence there is absolutely just and deserved.
Since this post has clearly crossed the line into what many would consider to be inappropriate "preaching", I will make no others, even if simply to respond to another post. Someone has already tried and failed to end this thread by changing the subject, but it apparently won't end until people stop responding, which will likely not be soon.
I really feel for the owner of the shop. He did what he had to do and I understand that completely. However, those who keep preaching kill the Bast***s have never had to live with the aftermath and I mean in your head, not legal issues. There is a real difference between rhetroic and action.
Talk to some veterans about how it affected them. Many of us who spent some time overseas courtesy of Uncle Sam know what this is. Southeast Asia (old farts like me) or the Middle East.. it is all the same. You are different once you cross that line and nothing will ever change it.
Godspeed to the owner. The perps deserved their fate, but the owner did not deserve his.
Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
Here is a portion of another article from today mentioning the rapsheets of the intuders.
A warrant already was out for Sergio Arauza's arrest for possession of a knife, according to jail records. He is being held in the Sacramento County Main Jail in lieu of $100,500 bail and is scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday.
Efforts by The Bee to reach family members of the Arauza brothers were unsuccessful.
According to Sacramento Superior Court records, both brothers had criminal histories.
Vincent Arauza pleaded no contest to one felony count of second-degree burglary in September 2007, records show. He was sentenced to two years in state prison but apparently was paroled before his full time was served.
In September 2006, he pleaded no contest to one misdemeanor count of second-degree burglary and was sentenced to 120 days, then three years of informal probation, according to the court records.
At the time of Monday's arrest, Sergio Arauza was on probation as a result of pleading guilty in March 2007 to one misdemeanor count to possessing burglars' tools, records show.
That came after a no-contest plea to a misdemeanor count of second-degree burglary in September 2006.
I've seen what shooting and killing a criminal can do to a person first hand, I wish the owner luck handling his lot. I don't have much sympathy for crooks, but I hate to think that some young kid who maybe could have been straightened out won't be coming down for breakfast again and a couple of families will have to deal with the anguish, a tragedy for all involved.
Sunnyvale man, 20, identified as person killed while car surfing
Benabides was out with two friends Saturday night when he and another passenger got onto the roof of a Toyota Camry. The Toyota was traveling northbound on Lois Avenue when he slipped to the rear of the car and held on to the Camry's "rear wing'' while being dragged for an undetermined distance, police said.
Then, police said, he fell onto the road.
Ghost-riding is when a person puts a vehicle into neutral and dances beside it or on the roof while it's still moving. Ghost-riding became glamorized and gained national exposure when it was mentioned in a rap song titled "Tell Me When to Go" by Vallejo-based rapper E-40.
It's even sadder when folks select themselves for removal from the world of the living. Car surfing?Ghost riding?
Sunnyvale man, 20, identified as person killed while car surfing
Benabides was out with two friends Saturday night when he and another passenger got onto the roof of a Toyota Camry. The Toyota was traveling northbound on Lois Avenue when he slipped to the rear of the car and held on to the Camry's "rear wing'' while being dragged for an undetermined distance, police said.
Then, police said, he fell onto the road.
Ghost-riding is when a person puts a vehicle into neutral and dances beside it or on the roof while it's still moving. Ghost-riding became glamorized and gained national exposure when it was mentioned in a rap song titled "Tell Me When to Go" by Vallejo-based rapper E-40.
It's even sadder when folks select themselves for removal from the world of the living. Car surfing?Ghost riding?
All of humans, we're all pretty dumb, aren't we? >>
I guess this guy will win this years Darwin award.
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<< <i>.........unfortunate event for all parties. i'm hoping the shop owner isn't raked across the coals for this. we all know where this usually goes, unfortunately. the law breakers are coddled while the property owners are left to twist in the wind.
This seldom happens in real life, but this angle is played up on conservative talk radio and cable TV >>
Well maybe not in such dramatic fashion. If the DA chooses to prosecute he can make your life a living hell. First you must defend yourself at YOUR own expense while the DA who is prosecuting you AND any survivors of the crime are having their salary and public defender paid out of YOUR tax dollars. Also if the DA doesn't like the ammo that you used, he will do his best to make you out as a cold blooded intentional killer.
Even if the jury acquits you, that doesn't stop someone from the victim's family from filing a wrongful death suit against you.
Working as a night auditor at a local hotel when I was 18, I was held at gunpoint, robbed, and pistol-whipped; cracking a tooth and knocking 3 teeth through my bottom lip leaving a hole my pinky could fit through. The idiot only got away with, ironically, rolls of pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters totalling less than $40.
It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm.
<< <i>I'm assuming that the majority of comments regarding criminals having rights were never in a situation where a gun was pointed in their face.
Working as a night auditor at a local hotel when I was 18, I was held at gunpoint, robbed, and pistol-whipped; cracking a tooth and knocking 3 teeth through my bottom lip leaving a hole my pinky could fit through. The idiot only got away with, ironically, rolls of pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters totalling less than $40.
It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm. >>
Ain't it the truth. Living in Ivory Towers doesn't provide for the privilige of meeting a truely bad person who derives pleasure in the pain of others.
<< <i>Wow.
What a read. Here's my "2 cents" on this...
1. Good for the shop owner. It's guys like this that show the rest of us how we need to stand up against the criminal element in this country, because politicians and the courts sure won't.
2. I hear comments (devil's advocate, or otherwise I'm not concerned) about what was the owner doing there, was he lying in wait, and why doesn't he move his store. The way I see it, IT'S HIS STORE and he has a right to be there. As far a why has he not moved, why should he? Why don't trash stop robbing? Why is it there are some people seem to always want to go back to blaming the victim? The man's rights, property and safety were CLEARLY in danger. If they weren't the 2 "gentlemen" wouldn't find it necessary to hide their faces and use pry bars at 4 in the AM.
3. As far as the folks concerned about the mental, emotional and moral implications to killing an EVILDOER, let me say this...Taking a scumbags life may bother you (and I applaud you for your concern - you have my respect), let a person(s) break into my alarmed and armed home while myself and my family are here. I'd be more than happy to spread their brains on my wall in front of their mothers and then go soundly back to sleep.
Bottom line in my mind....if you want to be safe in this world you can't depend on Obama to do it. If you want to be a criminal and try to take whats not yours, better be ready to face what you have coming.
Thanks for reading.
Other than Supreme Court appointments which must be approved by Congress, the President of the US does not have any say in California State Law Mr. Brooks!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm. >>
I've never had a gun pointed at me, but I have come home to find my house burglarized. If you've never had the experience, I can attest to the crystallizing effect it has on one's opinions regarding criminals and what should be done with them should they be caught and convicted.
<< <i>It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm. >>
I think that's the most important thing to remember. It's easy to theorize and create scenarios describing what someone should or shouldn't have done. But if you're in a potential life-or-death situation and you have only seconds (if that) to make a decision, err on the side of your own safety and security every time.
These two bad guys broke into my shop and had something that looked like a gun, one of them pointed it at me and i feared for my life so i killed him.
Judge
Your free to go.
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BRAVO !!
Here in Memphis (ranked #2 in most violent crimes in the U.S) I'd like to see Every B&M employee armed..
<< <i>I'm assuming that the majority of comments regarding criminals having rights were never in a situation where a gun was pointed in their face.
Working as a night auditor at a local hotel when I was 18, I was held at gunpoint, robbed, and pistol-whipped; cracking a tooth and knocking 3 teeth through my bottom lip leaving a hole my pinky could fit through. The idiot only got away with, ironically, rolls of pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters totalling less than $40.
It's a life-changing situation to be in and you might not understand why people can feel so strongly about protecting themselves unless you've felt the sheer terror of staring down the barrell of a 9mm. >>
That is the sole reason why I still carry a CWP.. I was robbed at gunpoint in my store I managed back in 1982. It was a set up and they got away with over $60k+.. The welfare office of Washington Dc was right next store and our owner cashed their checks once a month.
It was 4:30 am and the store didn't open until 7am, but the receiver that checked in the vendors open and closed the back door when the bell rung. The intruders got in that way. They acosted the meat,produce,dairy managers and locked them in the freezer and my receiver died later after a major pistol whipping sustained to his head.. The other manager that was checking on the other employees was running up the isle and told me to lock to the safe.. Well when I turned around a guy with a chrome 38cal put it to my head and told me to load up the bag of all paper money..
Well long story short, they were caught, one of my employees dead and years of court trials and fear because of constant threats from low life family and friends.. I did have my home broken into and was voliated that was also in the 90's too...
I know the law in Maryland about use of guns, I was later a store detective and have been to court many, many times for Employee theft and shoplifters. Now With my disability and past history of crimes against me I cannot fight like many young studs and wouldn't even try if I could, so Maryland continues to offer me a CWP if I desire but must still go to class every two years for updates and policys.
If anyone would voliate my home or attempt to do bodily harm to me or love one within my home or somewhere down on I-95 in Maryland. *Let's get is straight* Corner me and attempt on my families life or mine, simply, Due process takes over and If I follow protocat in my training after the investigation I will be found not guilty..
It is not what I want to happen in the future.. But it is what happens to many and this coin shop owner every freakin day.
I am prepared and will take all actions.. Being tuff is one thing, being smart and alive is another thing.
Hope the best also for both families in this tragedy.
Also, one does not need to be a psychopath in order to sleep well after killing someone, so please stop with your hand wringing. If you could not sleep, then fine. Others will do the job for you when and if it becomes necessary, and if they happen to be in a position to come to your aid. If not, then I guess you'll have to hope you can stop wringing your hands long enough and quickly enough to take action yourself.
By the way, if I kill a thug, I am not sending him to Hell, (as you implied in a previous post). To claim otherwise and still claim to be a Christian is to assert that your God is neither sovereign nor just. I myself deserve to be sent to Hell, and that straight away, but my claim is solely on the mercy of my God, not my "goodness", so thankfully I will not get what I absolutely deserve. If the dead man is now in Hell, I assert that his presence there is absolutely just and deserved.
Since this post has clearly crossed the line into what many would consider to be inappropriate "preaching", I will make no others, even if simply to respond to another post. Someone has already tried and failed to end this thread by changing the subject, but it apparently won't end until people stop responding, which will likely not be soon.
Talk to some veterans about how it affected them. Many of us who spent some time overseas courtesy of Uncle Sam know what this is. Southeast Asia (old farts like me) or the Middle East.. it is all the same. You are different once you cross that line and nothing will ever change it.
Godspeed to the owner. The perps deserved their fate, but the owner did not deserve his.
A warrant already was out for Sergio Arauza's arrest for possession of a knife, according to jail records. He is being held in the Sacramento County Main Jail in lieu of $100,500 bail and is scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday.
Efforts by The Bee to reach family members of the Arauza brothers were unsuccessful.
According to Sacramento Superior Court records, both brothers had criminal histories.
Vincent Arauza pleaded no contest to one felony count of second-degree burglary in September 2007, records show. He was sentenced to two years in state prison but apparently was paroled before his full time was served.
In September 2006, he pleaded no contest to one misdemeanor count of second-degree burglary and was sentenced to 120 days, then three years of informal probation, according to the court records.
At the time of Monday's arrest, Sergio Arauza was on probation as a result of pleading guilty in March 2007 to one misdemeanor count to possessing burglars' tools, records show.
That came after a no-contest plea to a misdemeanor count of second-degree burglary in September 2006.
Well said. The discussion on this issue is closed for me.
Then I read today's news:
Sunnyvale man, 20, identified as person killed while car surfing
Benabides was out with two friends Saturday night when he and another passenger got onto the roof of a Toyota Camry. The Toyota was traveling northbound on Lois Avenue when he slipped to the rear of the car and held on to the Camry's "rear wing'' while being dragged for an undetermined distance, police said.
Then, police said, he fell onto the road.
Ghost-riding is when a person puts a vehicle into neutral and dances beside it or on the roof while it's still moving. Ghost-riding became glamorized and gained national exposure when it was mentioned in a rap song titled "Tell Me When to Go" by Vallejo-based rapper E-40.
It's even sadder when folks select themselves for removal from the world of the living. Car surfing? Ghost riding?
All of humans, we're all pretty dumb, aren't we?
<< <i>I read this thread; pretty sad indeed.
Then I read today's news:
Sunnyvale man, 20, identified as person killed while car surfing
Benabides was out with two friends Saturday night when he and another passenger got onto the roof of a Toyota Camry. The Toyota was traveling northbound on Lois Avenue when he slipped to the rear of the car and held on to the Camry's "rear wing'' while being dragged for an undetermined distance, police said.
Then, police said, he fell onto the road.
Ghost-riding is when a person puts a vehicle into neutral and dances beside it or on the roof while it's still moving. Ghost-riding became glamorized and gained national exposure when it was mentioned in a rap song titled "Tell Me When to Go" by Vallejo-based rapper E-40.
It's even sadder when folks select themselves for removal from the world of the living. Car surfing? Ghost riding?
All of humans, we're all pretty dumb, aren't we? >>
I guess this guy will win this years Darwin award.