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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I stand corrected then , you have the 50-D of your dreams and for just a few hundred dollars will be able to add the

    colorful 60,61, and 62 "D" mints you've been looking for . >>



    Paul, I HAVE those 3 coins, although I'd like to upgrade all of them either toning wise, technically or both. They were the last 3 coins that I bought for the set. I JUST bought the '60-D this week past. It is only an NGC MS64, and all the rest of my set is MS65 or better, so I'm still not quite officially done with completing the set. From the images it looks really sweet toning wise, so I'm looking forward to getting it sometime this week.

  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bushmaster,

    I'm the new owner of that 1961 PCGS MS-65 Frankie toner from Teletrade the other week. That coin is all there - luster and color, and then some (pics will be taken soon), plus I've never seen a '61-P like that. I'm sure there will be some that poo-poo that coin and said I paid way too much, but I really like it; I consider it a monster. It does look better in hand than the Teletrade images, which really aren't too far off on the color.
  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Elmer, do you have a link for that coin?
  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you, Elmer! That's a Lovely looking EOR '61! Nice pickup. image
  • Congrats Erik! I don't think you overpaid, especially as you say it is even nicer than the TT pic!

    If that color was on the obv it would fetch $1K.
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






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  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    I was bidding on that, but didn't realize it would sell for that much!

    Beautiful EOR toning though image
    "It is what it is."


  • << <i>Congrats Erik! I don't think you overpaid, especially as you say it is even nicer than the TT pic!

    If that color was on the obv it would fetch $1K. >>




    I concur....nice coin and a very fair price for it as well image
  • MrDMrD Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭
    Just got this back in a package from NGC. Any date is tough when they look like this !!! image


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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>Bushmaster,

    I'm the new owner of that 1961 PCGS MS-65 Frankie toner from Teletrade the other week. That coin is all there - luster and color, and then some (pics will be taken soon), plus I've never seen a '61-P like that. I'm sure there will be some that poo-poo that coin and said I paid way too much, but I really like it; I consider it a monster. It does look better in hand than the Teletrade images, which really aren't too far off on the color. >>



    .........now Elmer ; that is a pretty coin u got ...........and you paid really strong money for it -

    but you know , me and Skyman do not like to spend that much money for one .......

    we do not like to pay these huge premiums and we like to get super coins that come around once every couple of years for a

    teeny-weenie lil' bit of money image
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>Just got this back in a package from NGC. Any date is tough when they look like this !!! image


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    Dick - you suck !

    Glad to see you post a monster ; if these feller's were to see some of the Franklins you got socked away

    .........they would drop dead !

    How much is the 57-D above ?
  • MrDMrD Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭
    Now you know I'm not supposed to sell anything in this forum. Are you trying to get me kicked off? image

    ...on another note, can you believe they didn't star this baby!!!
  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    I had a monster '57-d Frankie that didn't star at NGC too. But they hand out stars to '58-d with so so toning.
    "It is what it is."
  • I had a couple equally colorful coins come back w/o stars last month. I figured it must have been because the color was on reverse.

    But MrD, yours would indicate just stupidity as being the culprit!
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.........now Elmer ; that is a pretty coin u got ...........and you paid really strong money for it -

    but you know , me and Skyman do not like to spend that much money for one .......

    we do not like to pay these huge premiums and we like to get super coins that come around once every couple of years for a

    teeny-weenie lil' bit of money image >>




    Ummmm, PP, it's all relative. I have NO problem with what Elmer paid for that coin. If I was in the market for that date/mm I'd certainly have forked out that amount for that coin. It's a great looker for the date/mm. To me a rare coin that you can buy for 3 figures may have a "huge" premium, but in the grand scheme of things it isn't much at all. I've only paid more than $1,000 for an MS Franklin 4 times, and even the most expensive one, my '49-D, back when Franklins were a LOT more expensive, was around $3,000.



    BTW, regarding tough date toners. I just posted to the boards the 1960-D I got this week.


    EDITED TO ADD: That's a really sweet '57-D you posted Dick. As per norm, the starring policy at NGC is scratch your head.
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What about the 62-D?

    On Yahaski's list I would remove the 60-P and replace it with 62-D. >>





    Bushmaster - here's a 62-D for you (coin is much nicer than I can capture in a pic). Like PawPaul, I too only have a couple. One of the last dates for Skyman to find. Gotta be a tough date!

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    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    R. Tomaska mentioned that NGC has some kind of fetish about the 57-D getting a *star ;

    I think he said they have not handed out a single one for the 1957-D in 66 FBL !
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    "even the most expensive one, my '49-D, back when Franklins were a LOT more expensive, was around $3,000."


    " I owned the other two and sold them years ago for $11,000 each (oh, the good ole days of Frankies! "


    ............. the good 'ole days ;

    will we ever see them again ?
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>

    << <i>Beautiful '52 image >>


    Thanks! Just remembered that I sold this '49 at a show recently (not really sure why...)

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    this '49 is way nice - very attractive
  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks. I sold the '49 to Dennis King at the last Long Beach. No idea if he still owns it...
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    .......knowing D. King - he still has it ............he tends to price his exceptional stuff into the stratosphere .........
  • MrDMrD Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭
    Look what just jumped in front of my camera lense!!image

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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616
    That 61 looks familiar. Is it PCGS66?
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>Look what just jumped in front of my camera lense!!image

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    .....I sold that coin raw couple years back - figured it was to "way out" to ever get slabbed -

    in fact the person that bought it wanted my personal guarantee it would slab........

    ..... right ............, like i would sell a Rainbow like this if it had a prayer of getting the nod .........

    I think I saw it in a NGC 63 or 64 holder recently image
  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That 61 looks familiar. Is it PCGS66? >>


    Bushmaster, better put that crystal ball in some acetone... it seems to have developed some haze!

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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.....I sold that coin raw couple years back - figured it was to "way out" to ever get slabbed -

    in fact the person that bought it wanted my personal guarantee it would slab........

    ..... right ............, like i would sell a Rainbow like this if it had a prayer of getting the nod .........

    I think I saw it in a NGC 63 or 64 holder recently image >>



    Ya' never know, eh? From the pics it looks like it could be real. I take it in hand it was a little more, ummm, how shall we put this, exuberant?
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    .......the coin in hand is one of the most amazing toned post 1958 Franklin's I ever laid eye's on .........

    as I remember - it appeared to the eye to be all of MS-65 , so it's odd it's in a MS63 slab.

    At any rate - if it were in a PCGS MS65 holder , I would happily pay 2000$ for it !!!!
  • MrDMrD Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭
    Now I ask you that have seen this coin. Is this coins' picture "exuberant" ?
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    Is this coins' picture "exuberant" ?


    yes - i think the pix is exuberant , AND THE COIN in hand is even MORE exuberant ;

    now, what does exuberant mean ?
  • MrDMrD Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭
  • I don't have any "tough date" frankies... just some common proofs image

    Can I still play? image
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    I think we may have misconstrued Skymans intent , in any event -

    the pix of the 1961 MS63 Franklin is not juiced
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>I don't have any "tough date" frankies... just some common proofs image

    Can I still play? image >>



    colored proof's ?


  • << <i>
    colored proof's ? >>



    yup image 1961 and 1963
  • Well, here they are anyway image :

    1963 Proof - nice subtle rose toning
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    1961 Proof - Russet colored
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    and for kicks, the reverse of the cent that came with the 1961 (in fact, all the coins in the set had toning).

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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616
    The 61-P reminds me of a 61 that segoja made ~ 15 yrs ago that was PCGS66. I just thought it might be the same one...
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, that can be the front part for my reverse 1961 MS-65 toner! I can glue the two coins together for a two-sided effect! image
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>The 61-P reminds me of a 61 that segoja made ~ 15 yrs ago that was PCGS66. I just thought it might be the same one... >>



    ....I thought that coin was NGC .........at any rate , the one sego had was unbelievable !!!!!
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>Well, here they are anyway image :

    1963 Proof - nice subtle rose toning
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    1961 Proof - Russet colored
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    and for kicks, the reverse of the cent that came with the 1961 (in fact, all the coins in the set had toning).

    image >>



    Mr Mag ........ahhhhh , emmmmmmhh ........... image
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another tough date Frankie toner.

    The first pic is one I posted to Pug's series a couple years ago.

    The second pic is one I just took, after some practice, and reading Mr. Goodman's photo book. Getting better, but still a ways to go. This 49 has red and greens around the entire obverse periphery and I can't get it all onto a pic. Someday!


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    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    I Love this THREAD!!!!!

    Here's a newbie, so I had to post it in this thread too.

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    "It is what it is."
  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just got through this thread for the first time. Very nice Franklins you guys are passing around. image
    I don't have much to contribute, but I have enjoyed the discussion and photos.
    Here's my favorite Franklin toner, it's in a 64 rattler and oh so close to full bell but not quite.
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    Here's the original photo that sold me on the coin.
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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616
    That new pic is a definite improvement Ronyahaski!

    3 nice coins added to the thread 2nite!
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great coin, Meltdown! That reverse is cosmic...

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    I like the other new additions as well.
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>Another tough date Frankie toner.

    The first pic is one I posted to Pug's series a couple years ago.

    The second pic is one I just took, after some practice, and reading Mr. Goodman's photo book. Getting better, but still a ways to go. This 49 has red and greens around the entire obverse periphery and I can't get it all onto a pic. Someday!


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    ..........i got2000$ ; how soon can you ship this coin ?
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845


    << <i>That new pic is a definite improvement Ronyahaski!

    3 nice coins added to the thread 2nite! >>



    sorry to disagree ; the first pix is crisper and more appealing to me
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    this is rev. of 49-D , PCGS 65FBL that went cheap @ebay last week .........image
  • StewStew Posts: 1,002
    Took a little playing with the light to get the subtle baby crap green to come through and the line on the reverse is a crack in the holder
    Do I win the ugly Franklin contest?

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