Congratulations! You got lucky and if I were you I would be selling to the highest bidder.
Now perhaps I am the last one on these boards to realize this, but if this particular order was an hour into the order process and earlier orders have still not shipped (there is no process for first order in first out) then this just goes to show that First Strike really is just a marketing ploy with not even a basis or corallation between when the coin was struck or even when the order was placed.
PCGS as the premier grading service how can you stand by the First Strike label given recent events which show the program really means nothing? I would think that if the service really meant what you intended that it would add value. Does it?
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<<< (there is no process for first order in first out) then this just goes to show that First Strike really is just a marketing ploy with not even a basis or corallation between when the coin was struck or even when the order was placed. >>>
Hmmm, 'ya think?
<<< PCGS as the premier grading service how can you stand by the First Strike label given recent events which show the program really means nothing? I would think that if the service really meant what you intended that it would add value. Does it? >>>
<< <i>Of course the first coin was gonna be a 70. It would look ridiculous if it was a 69. >>
Exactly what I said.
And:
<< <i>some people wait their whole posting lives to get a "you suck" award and you did it in 37 posts, anyway congrats. >>
What is the criteria for a Suck anyway?
And at what point is it acceptable to give one? Does one have to have a certain tenure in here to award one? i.e. silvergoldnut, 159 posts, joined this last December proclaimed a Suck followed by coinkid who has been on less than a year. Not that either one of them are not eligible to proclaim a Suck award I'm just asking. I always thought it was awarded to a killer cherry pick or a DCAM Accented Hair Kennedy find or some rare VAM purchased at melt plus a small premium.
<< <i>You are right. It will take a few days to get back to me.
Thank you. Charlie. >>
Charlie, see if PCGS will designate your UHR as First First Strike™ >>
That's basically what they did with that article. I'd say $7500 is conservative considering people are paying a hundred bucks for a roll of 2009 cents.
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<< <i>Of course the first coin was gonna be a 70. It would look ridiculous if it was a 69. >>
Exactly what I said.
And:
<< <i>some people wait their whole posting lives to get a "you suck" award and you did it in 37 posts, anyway congrats. >>
What is the criteria for a Suck anyway?
And at what point is it acceptable to give one? Does one have to have a certain tenure in here to award one? i.e. silvergoldnut, 159 posts, joined this last December proclaimed a Suck followed by coinkid who has been on less than a year. Not that either one of them are not eligible to proclaim a Suck award I'm just asking. I always thought it was awarded to a killer cherry pick or a DCAM Accented Hair Kennedy find or some rare VAM purchased at melt plus a small premium. >>
if a time line on joining is required than i'll pull my " you suck"
but off the record you have to admitt , with all the post about the delay of UHR being shipped, and charlie sneaks in and gets the first "first strike". i won't give him the award BUT he still SUCKS!!
<< <i>Of course the first coin was gonna be a 70. It would look ridiculous if it was a 69. >>
Exactly what I said.
And:
<< <i>some people wait their whole posting lives to get a "you suck" award and you did it in 37 posts, anyway congrats. >>
What is the criteria for a Suck anyway?
And at what point is it acceptable to give one? Does one have to have a certain tenure in here to award one? i.e. silvergoldnut, 159 posts, joined this last December proclaimed a Suck followed by coinkid who has been on less than a year. Not that either one of them are not eligible to proclaim a Suck award I'm just asking. I always thought it was awarded to a killer cherry pick or a DCAM Accented Hair Kennedy find or some rare VAM purchased at melt plus a small premium. >>
if a time line on joining is required than i'll pull my " you suck"
but off the record you have to admitt , with all the post about the delay of UHR being shipped, and charlie sneaks in and gets the first "first strike". i won't give him the award BUT he still SUCKS!! >>
I don't know if Charlie Sucks, as he waited in the same line as the rest of us, but the Mint and Pitney-Bowles certainly do.
That coin would be flipped the instant I had it back in my paws.
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<< <i>You are right. It will take a few days to get back to me.
Thank you. Charlie. >>
Charlie, see if PCGS will designate your UHR as First First Strike™ >>
That's basically what they did with that article. I'd say $7500 is conservative considering people are paying a hundred bucks for a roll of 2009 cents. >>
I was thinking something like $12,500, and no need to do a 1 day, at least 3 probably 5 day....What's the rush with only 2 or 3 out there...Way to go Charlie...
I think I see the reason why it should not be flipped _immediately_.
Why?
Because we don't know how many First Strike UHR coins will exist.
With the clock starting on Feb 6, that means that the clock stops on March 6, correct?
What if the snafus continue...and PCGS ends up getting very few UHRs? The price of this first one will go up even further. Who knows, it might be only one of a handful!!!
I say...wait until you see folks getting them in so that you have an idea just how rare the FS UHR will be.
This "very first" FS UHR will not lose value in the week or two you have to wait to assess this.
good fr you ol' chap- I agree with most hear on the board- especially while the pop report for 70's are low the coin will go for higher money YOU on the other hand have the certifricate for the FIRST ONE- which means that no matter when you put it on the bay- SOMEONE out there would want to have it. I think your coin would definetly top $10,000... with that 10 I would say buy at least 5 gold beauties.. jealousy.... -joe
I would throw it on eBay with a BIN of $15,000 or best offer. Show the PCGS article that it is the first UHR graded. Make note than the mint has not shipped anymore that you know of and this may be the only First Strike UHR. Point them to the Forums thread that shows no one else have seen their shipped.
I have not yet seen in person the "official" Ultra High Relief Double Eagles the Mint now is shipping out -- only the nice close up photos that are posted with the PCGS news release. However, I had the privilege of getting an up close 'n' personal inspection during exhibition set up by the Mint at last summer's ANA convention in Baltimore where prototype pieces were displayed. These modern Ultra High Relief Double Eagles obviously are way-cool coins.
My congratulations to Charles Camp for A) receiving his order so quickly; getting a perfect coin; and C) permitting PCGS to use his name and photos of his coin to announce the first certification.
-donn-
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<< <i>I agree that this is cool... but to those of you quote prices of $7500-$10000, are you willing to pay this?? not sure who would be... seems crazy... not trying to spoil the party, but let's get real.
>>
Interesting, someone on ebay may pay that amount for this first first stike 70, I never would but I am not in love with the UHR. Given current economic conditions and your love of this coin, what is the most the knowledgeable members of these boards would pay for this coin if it went on ebay?
By the way, Congratulations on your first first stike UHR, very nice!!!
<< <i>I agree that this is cool... but to those of you quote prices of $7500-$10000, are you willing to pay this?? not sure who would be... seems crazy... not trying to spoil the party, but let's get real.
>>
Interesting, someone on ebay may pay that amount for this first first stike 70, I never would but I am not in love with the UHR. Given current economic conditions and your love of this coin, what is the most the knowledgeable members of these boards would pay for this coin if it went on ebay?
By the way, Congratulations on your first first stike UHR, very nice!!! >>
One thing I am reading between the lines here in all of these threads, it seems that this ONE coin could have some interesting story behind it, which may make it more valuable. Perhaps there is a 1933 type Gold recall coming, and it was never suppose to be released, sound familiar?
<< <i>Charlie, My unsolicited and un-professional advice is, unless you are emotionally tied to it, sell fast. Once the masses start shipping first strike and MS70 will not be rare. I made a score grade wise on a coin once... paid $1.80 for it, plus modern grading fee, and sold it for $4,000. It was not worth that to me. I would rather have a nice worn flowing hair buck than a modern one. >>
I think someone mentioned the first strike cutoff is 3/11?
If these dont start shipping this week and there are any long delays, my complaint will be lodged with PCGS about setting the FS date cutoff based on the apparent erroneous delivery of 1 coin.
I'm sure they want others to be able to take part in the FS program, and don't want to make a "rarity" (in quotes for obvious reasons) out of a coin being shipped when all others are sitting on the shelves for some apparent problem with shipping at the USM distribution center.
<< <i>I agree that this is cool... but to those of you quote prices of $7500-$10000, are you willing to pay this?? not sure who would be... seems crazy... not trying to spoil the party, but let's get real.
>>
Interesting, someone on ebay may pay that amount for this first first stike 70, I never would but I am not in love with the UHR. Given current economic conditions and your love of this coin, what is the most the knowledgeable members of these boards would pay for this coin if it went on ebay?
By the way, Congratulations on your first first stike UHR, very nice!!! >>
One thing I am reading between the lines here in all of these threads, it seems that this ONE coin could have some interesting story behind it, which may make it more valuable. Perhaps there is a 1933 type Gold recall coming, and it was never suppose to be released, sound familiar? >>
Very interesting. If it was not "officially" released it may be contraband in the same sense that the US Govt is arguing that the 1933s were. I can see the govt being forced to recall the coin now just to save face and avoid another nail in their coffin with regard to the arguments they are facing from the opposing party in the current ongoing 1933 confiscation case.
<< <i>As I understand it, Charlie got his coin by cancelling the book part of the order. Has anyone esle attempted this?
FloridaBill >>
Actually, as I recall Charlie did post photos of the book as well. The one clue that everyone seems to be overlooking though is the personally signed UHR ad with Moy's signature on it which appeared in Charlie's earliest photos before he sent the UHR to PCGS. Take that where you want.
NGC published their cutoff date for Early release as of March 9th. This would seem to suggest the first coin was released by the Mint on February 9th, ay?
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Now perhaps I am the last one on these boards to realize this, but if this particular order was an hour into the order process and earlier orders have still not shipped (there is no process for first order in first out) then this just goes to show that First Strike really is just a marketing ploy with not even a basis or corallation between when the coin was struck or even when the order was placed.
PCGS as the premier grading service how can you stand by the First Strike label given recent events which show the program really means nothing? I would think that if the service really meant what you intended that it would add value. Does it?
<< <i>I just saw it. It's mine.
Charlie. >>
Questions: How was it shipped?
UPS?
Signature required?
Congratulations!
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Hmmm, 'ya think?
<<< PCGS as the premier grading service how can you stand by the First Strike label given recent events which show the program really means nothing? I would think that if the service really meant what you intended that it would add value. Does it? >>>
Ye$ it doe$........to the grading company :-)
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<< <i>Of course the first coin was gonna be a 70. It would look ridiculous if it was a 69. >>
Exactly what I said.
And:
<< <i>some people wait their whole posting lives to get a "you suck" award and you did it in 37 posts, anyway congrats.
What is the criteria for a Suck anyway?
And at what point is it acceptable to give one? Does one have to have a certain tenure in here to award one? i.e. silvergoldnut, 159 posts, joined this last December proclaimed a Suck followed by coinkid who has been on less than a year. Not that either one of them are not eligible to proclaim a Suck award I'm just asking. I always thought it was awarded to a killer cherry pick or a DCAM Accented Hair Kennedy find or some rare VAM purchased at melt plus a small premium.
<< <i>
<< <i>You are right.
It will take a few days to get back to me.
Thank you.
Charlie. >>
Charlie, see if PCGS will designate your UHR as First First Strike™
That's basically what they did with that article. I'd say $7500 is conservative considering people are paying a hundred bucks for a roll of 2009 cents.
One of one, start the bidding at 100k, all in the name of profit.
Scott
<< <i>
<< <i>Of course the first coin was gonna be a 70. It would look ridiculous if it was a 69. >>
Exactly what I said.
And:
<< <i>some people wait their whole posting lives to get a "you suck" award and you did it in 37 posts, anyway congrats.
What is the criteria for a Suck anyway?
And at what point is it acceptable to give one? Does one have to have a certain tenure in here to award one? i.e. silvergoldnut, 159 posts, joined this last December proclaimed a Suck followed by coinkid who has been on less than a year. Not that either one of them are not eligible to proclaim a Suck award I'm just asking. I always thought it was awarded to a killer cherry pick or a DCAM Accented Hair Kennedy find or some rare VAM purchased at melt plus a small premium. >>
if a time line on joining is required than i'll pull my " you suck"
but off the record you have to admitt , with all the post about the delay of UHR being shipped, and charlie sneaks in and gets the first "first strike". i won't give him the award BUT he still SUCKS!!
<< <i>No question I'd list it on ebay or teletrade, a few years from now it won't matter as much that it was the first graded. >>
Probly true, but I bet eBay and PP are lickin their chops. IRS too maybe.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Of course the first coin was gonna be a 70. It would look ridiculous if it was a 69. >>
Exactly what I said.
And:
<< <i>some people wait their whole posting lives to get a "you suck" award and you did it in 37 posts, anyway congrats.
What is the criteria for a Suck anyway?
And at what point is it acceptable to give one? Does one have to have a certain tenure in here to award one? i.e. silvergoldnut, 159 posts, joined this last December proclaimed a Suck followed by coinkid who has been on less than a year. Not that either one of them are not eligible to proclaim a Suck award I'm just asking. I always thought it was awarded to a killer cherry pick or a DCAM Accented Hair Kennedy find or some rare VAM purchased at melt plus a small premium. >>
if a time line on joining is required than i'll pull my " you suck"
but off the record you have to admitt , with all the post about the delay of UHR being shipped, and charlie sneaks in and gets the first "first strike". i won't give him the award BUT he still SUCKS!!
I don't know if Charlie Sucks, as he waited in the same line as the rest of us, but the Mint and Pitney-Bowles certainly do.
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<< <i>That coin would be flipped the instant I had it back in my paws. >>
Would that make you a flippor, flippe or just plain flipped?
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>You are right.
It will take a few days to get back to me.
Thank you.
Charlie. >>
Charlie, see if PCGS will designate your UHR as First First Strike™
That's basically what they did with that article. I'd say $7500 is conservative considering people are paying a hundred bucks for a roll of 2009 cents. >>
I was thinking something like $12,500, and no need to do a 1 day, at least 3 probably 5 day....What's the rush with only 2 or 3 out there...Way to go Charlie...
Why?
Because we don't know how many First Strike UHR coins will exist.
With the clock starting on Feb 6, that means that the clock stops on March 6, correct?
What if the snafus continue...and PCGS ends up getting very few UHRs? The price of this first one will go up even further. Who knows, it might be only one of a handful!!!
I say...wait until you see folks getting them in so that you have an idea just how rare the FS UHR will be.
This "very first" FS UHR will not lose value in the week or two you have to wait to assess this.
K
I agree with most hear on the board- especially while the pop report for 70's are low the coin will go for higher money
YOU on the other hand have the certifricate for the FIRST ONE- which means that no matter when you put it on the bay- SOMEONE out there would want to have it.
I think your coin would definetly top $10,000... with that 10 I would say buy at least 5 gold beauties..
jealousy....
-joe
Someone will offer you big $$$ for it.
My congratulations to Charles Camp for A) receiving his order so quickly;
-donn-
Quality measures will be ramped up and many minor defects may not exist on this coin. It is probably a white glove operation to make them.
<< <i>?Maybe they will ALL be 70s.......
Quality measures will be ramped up and many minor defects may not exist on this coin. It is probably a white glove operation to make them. >>
sell it early..get the sizzle
<< <i>I agree that this is cool... but to those of you quote prices of $7500-$10000, are you willing to pay this?? not sure who would be... seems crazy... not trying to spoil the party, but let's get real.
>>
Interesting, someone on ebay may pay that amount for this first first stike 70, I never would but I am not in love with the UHR. Given current economic conditions and your love of this coin, what is the most the knowledgeable members of these boards would pay for this coin if it went on ebay?
By the way, Congratulations on your first first stike UHR, very nice!!!
<< <i>
<< <i>I agree that this is cool... but to those of you quote prices of $7500-$10000, are you willing to pay this?? not sure who would be... seems crazy... not trying to spoil the party, but let's get real.
>>
Interesting, someone on ebay may pay that amount for this first first stike 70, I never would but I am not in love with the UHR. Given current economic conditions and your love of this coin, what is the most the knowledgeable members of these boards would pay for this coin if it went on ebay?
By the way, Congratulations on your first first stike UHR, very nice!!! >>
One thing I am reading between the lines here in all of these threads, it seems that this ONE coin could have some interesting story behind it, which may make it more valuable. Perhaps there is a 1933 type Gold recall coming, and it was never suppose to be released, sound familiar?
<< <i>Hmmmm...might want to check your computer monitor -- nothing like that between the lines on mine... >>
But it's a new 22" widescreen monitor, I am sure that is the difference!
<< <i>Charlie,
My unsolicited and un-professional advice is, unless you are emotionally tied to it, sell fast. Once the masses start shipping first strike and MS70 will not be rare. I made a score grade wise on a coin once... paid $1.80 for it, plus modern grading fee, and sold it for $4,000. It was not worth that to me. I would rather have a nice worn flowing hair buck than a modern one. >>
What coin?
<< <i>
<< <i>Hmmmm...might want to check your computer monitor -- nothing like that between the lines on mine... >>
But it's a new 22" widescreen monitor, I am sure that is the difference! >>
I have a 30" and didn't see anything between the lines. But, I am old also.
If these dont start shipping this week and there are any long delays, my complaint will be lodged with PCGS about setting the FS date cutoff based on the apparent erroneous delivery of 1 coin.
I'm sure they want others to be able to take part in the FS program, and don't want to make a "rarity" (in quotes for obvious reasons) out of a coin being shipped when all others are sitting on the shelves for some apparent problem with shipping at the USM distribution center.
I encourage others to call as well.
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<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>I agree that this is cool... but to those of you quote prices of $7500-$10000, are you willing to pay this?? not sure who would be... seems crazy... not trying to spoil the party, but let's get real.
>>
Interesting, someone on ebay may pay that amount for this first first stike 70, I never would but I am not in love with the UHR. Given current economic conditions and your love of this coin, what is the most the knowledgeable members of these boards would pay for this coin if it went on ebay?
By the way, Congratulations on your first first stike UHR, very nice!!! >>
One thing I am reading between the lines here in all of these threads, it seems that this ONE coin could have some interesting story behind it, which may make it more valuable. Perhaps there is a 1933 type Gold recall coming, and it was never suppose to be released, sound familiar?
Very interesting. If it was not "officially" released it may be contraband in the same sense that the US Govt is arguing that the 1933s were. I can see the govt being forced to recall the coin now just to save face and avoid another nail in their coffin with regard to the arguments they are facing from the opposing party in the current ongoing 1933 confiscation case.
<< <i>As I understand it, Charlie got his coin by cancelling the book part of the order. Has anyone esle attempted this?
FloridaBill >>
Actually, as I recall Charlie did post photos of the book as well. The one clue that everyone seems to be overlooking though is the personally signed UHR ad with Moy's signature on it which appeared in Charlie's earliest photos before he sent the UHR to PCGS. Take that where you want.
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