The ultimate unsearched Lincoln roll gamble...

Batman23 · February 15, 2009 3:10AM

1909-S and 1909 VDB UNC UNSEARCHED SHOTGUN WHEAT ROLL

At least the seller does not not say that they could be 1909-S VDBs. I wonder how he knows they arent

The implied here is that this is an old past dealer's roll of 1909-S VDB. IF I had obtained these and IF this story was true, That roll would have been opened first thing.

It will be interesting to see where it ends, it only takes two people to think they have figured out the unsaid rarity and bid strong.

crazyhounddog · February 15, 2009 3:15AM

The oldest trick in the book! I hate it!! Like they are unsearched, What a joke! I guess everybody's stupid!

lcoopie · February 15, 2009 3:15AM

it looks like it was already opened on the vdb side

options26 · February 15, 2009 3:16AM

It would be more believable if his feedback didn't show him buying the coins he inserts into these rolls. BS he doesn't know whats in there

mach19 · February 15, 2009 3:17AM

options26 · February 15, 2009 3:31AM

Hmmm, his auction states that this is the third of a lot he bought from a dealer. I wonder why he would purchase all the same coins, if he had rolls of them? Here are the 6 coins for his 3 rolls. Kind of deceptive in my book.

1909 VDB Purchase
1909-S Purchase
1909 VDB in this lot too
1909 VDB Purchase
1909-S Purchase
1909-S Purchase

TennesseeDave · February 15, 2009 3:34AM

I checked some of his feedback and he got $666.00 out of a similar roll and $920.00 out of another.I cant believe people think these rolls haven't been searched.

UtahCoin · February 15, 2009 3:36AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the other 48 coins have a combined value of about $1.50.

Let's see....
A $100 coin
A $15 coin
48 others $1.50

Current bid, $267.90

$116.50 At best..... (assuming the 09 S is decent)

OnlyGoldIsMoney · February 15, 2009 3:44AM

Current high bidder has a feedback of 0.

coinkid855 · February 15, 2009 3:56AM

Holy hell! The 1909 S in the roll looks like the SAME ONE he bought in the auction linked above!!! Look at the green spot below the "E" in "Liberty"!! What a scumbag!

-Paul

Batman23 · February 15, 2009 4:03AM

<< Holy hell! The 1909 S in the roll looks like the SAME ONE he bought in the auction linked above!!! Look at the green spot below the "E" in "Liberty"!! What a scumbag!

-Paul >>

Yes, quite interesting. If he was smarter he would have at least bought under a different account.

Batman23 · February 15, 2009 4:04AM

<< The oldest trick in the book! I hate it!! Like they are unsearched, What a joke! I guess everybody's stupid! >>

Yes, but not everybody has to be stupid. He only needs two or three stupid ones.

anablep · February 15, 2009 4:21AM

I'm calling Bravo Sierra on this auction as well.

rbf · February 15, 2009 4:21AM

Great, another copycat seller of these self-manufactured "key date" rolls. Calling them "unsearched" is blatant dishonesty, and making up some stupid story about the source (widow of a coin dealer, bla bla bla) is just plain pathetic!

Robb · February 15, 2009 4:25AM

He could get even more return on his investment if he used counterfeit 1909s. Imagine the sales pitch using recent feedback he could use after putting 3 or 4 of the counterfeits in one roll.

MY ROLE HAD 4 1909s's!!1! AWESUM SAILER!11

ricko · February 15, 2009 4:39AM

There is no shortage of suckers.... a shame, however, caveat emptor. If not, cry baby, cry. Cheers, RickO

hammered54 · February 15, 2009 4:58AM

brand new paper roll's at that!.... just like the kind you get at the drug store in a plastic bag.

breakintheweb · February 15, 2009 5:12AM

This guy is located in the same city as i work. I wonder if this guy has an actual brick and mortar in the area.

seemyauction · February 15, 2009 10:26AM

The seller is relying on the PB Barnum statement, "There is one born every minute."

Sporkadelic · February 15, 2009 10:53AM

I love this:

<< I got a hold of this roll through a widow of a coin dealer that was put away in a safe deposit box for years. >>

HAHAHAHAHA!!

robkool · February 15, 2009 10:58AM

Yeah right...

coolest · February 15, 2009 11:00AM

"from the widow of a coin dealer"

ClosedLoop · February 15, 2009 11:22AM

i once bought one of these rolls for $9.99 BIN (VBD) showing at the end. i quickly bought and paid for it, not five

minutes later i get an email saying that he made a mistake, that the $9.99 was supposed to be the starting bid

and not a BIN, so i did not reply. two minutes later i recieve a phone call from the seller, i did not answer.

then he calls again so i answer and explains himself pleading with me he made a mistake.i thought to myself

this guy just got my phone number if i say no what will he do next.so i cancelled the deal,in return he sent me

a '55 unc rosie some indian cents and some wheaties. did i do the right thing?

mrpotatoheadd · February 15, 2009 11:30AM

<< The implied here is that this is an old past dealer's roll of 1909-S VDB. >>

But of course. Don't all dealers store their key date coins in paper rolls?

MJPHELAN · February 15, 2009 11:31AM

i once bought one of these rolls for $9.99 BIN (VBD) showing at the end. i quickly bought and paid for it, not five

minutes later i get an email saying that he made a mistake, that the $9.99 was supposed to be the starting bid

and not a BIN, so i did not reply. two minutes later i recieve a phone call from the seller, i did not answer.

then he calls again so i answer and explains himself pleading with me he made a mistake.i thought to myself

this guy just got my phone number if i say no what will he do next.so i cancelled the deal,in return he sent me

a '55 unc rosie some indian cents and some wheaties. did i do the right thing?

NO,

I would have answered in a gruff Italian accent asking when he was going to send your Godfather's roll out.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · February 15, 2009 11:37AM

The people who pull those scams must make so much easy money off it...

GrumpyEd · February 15, 2009 11:53AM

There's always bidders for trash, it's amazing

Mercfan · February 15, 2009 12:34PM

Out-and-out fraud. How might a third party intervene to alert E-Bay?

What shocks me is that this type of fraudulent auction is nearly always accompanied by a photo showing one end of the roll that has clearly been opened and then (badly) re-rolled closed.

The stupid, gullible bidders are blameworthy; but the seller should be jailed.

cars · February 15, 2009 3:24PM

<< Holy hell! The 1909 S in the roll looks like the SAME ONE he bought in the auction linked above!!! Look at the green spot below the "E" in "Liberty"!! What a scumbag!

-Paul >>

There is also the dot behind lincolns neck. That is the exact same coin. someone needs to call him out.

dsessom · February 15, 2009 4:08PM

YEP! It's the exact same coin! And here are eight 1909 VDB's he bought as well so he could manufacture his "unsearched" rolls!

dsessom · February 15, 2009 4:17PM

I reported him, stating that the seller was misleading buyers by manfacturing "Unsearched" rolls, and planting key dates on the ends to lure buyers to pay outrageous amounts. I will let you know if they reply...

Batman23 · February 15, 2009 4:33PM

Hope it works, but others will fill the void or he will try again after a couple months.

He sure is making some big money on these auctions. A little seed money, a little story, equals large returns.

frnklnlvr · February 15, 2009 7:45PM

There's a seller on Ebay that sells "unsearched" rolls that he claims he got from an estate. Every roll has a VDB on one end and a IHC on the other end. If you look at his purchases, all he buys is 09 VDBs, lots of common wheats, lots of circ. IHC, and PENNY WRAPPERS. The rolls go from $30 and up.

Mercfan · February 16, 2009 12:19AM

<< I reported him, stating that the seller was misleading buyers by manfacturing "Unsearched" rolls, and planting key dates on the ends to lure buyers to pay outrageous amounts. I will let you know if they reply... >>

I commend you for reporting the fraud.

dsessom · February 16, 2009 7:06AM

I got this back from them:

<< We will thoroughly review the listing(s) you have reported for
violations of our Listing Policies. In order to keep eBay a safe and fun
place to trade, we often rely on members like you to bring such listing
violations to our attention.

In light of our privacy policy, we cannot share with you any action
taken by eBay with respect to this listing. If we determine that the
listing violates eBay policy, we may:

1. Send the seller an informational alert;
2. Remove the listing; or
3. Suspend the seller.

Account suspensions are usually reserved for those sellers that
continuously disregard policy.

If you would like to review our Listing Policies in more detail, please
visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-ov.html

Thank you for your report.

Regards,

The eBay Community Watch Team >>

The sad thing is, that he isn't really breaking any EBAY rules. And even if Ebay decides that he IS being fraudulent, the worst he gets is a warning!

<< Account suspensions are usually reserved for those sellers that
continuously disregard policy. >>

It appears that there is little anyone can do - aside from collect the evidence such as we have done, BUY a roll from the jerk, and then file charges. Then you go to court, spend more money on attourney fees, court costs, and IF you get a judgement, maybe you get your money back? Even criminal charges would most likely result with a "slap on the wrist".

I can't believe people actually get away with scams like this...

coinnuttius · February 16, 2009 8:37AM

Reported. Expected results from report: automatic reply and the silent fraudbay stinkfinger. Anyone wanna bet? Anyone?

achillesaero · February 16, 2009 8:58AM

I'm going to bid on one of his auctions one day and bid $1000 on a $2 auction, than email him saying my cat hit the zero button on my computer while I was getting a cup of coffee!

lathmach · February 16, 2009 9:07AM

What a dirty scammer.
If you were to buy the roll and pay with Paypal though, whats to keep you from returning it and getting your money back if you see you've been scammed?
Isn't this what Ebay and Paypal are trying to do in making the buyer less afraid to buy with their new policies?
I have several lots of coins I'd like to list on Ebay, but I have a fear someone will buy them, cherrypick the better coins out and replace them with crap, then return them to me and get their money back from Paypal.
From a sellers standpoint, it's real dangerous.
Am I wrong?

Ray

BlindedByEgo · February 16, 2009 9:22AM

<< What a dirty scammer.
If you were to buy the roll and pay with Paypal though, whats to keep you from returning it and getting your money back if you see you've been scammed?
Isn't this what Ebay and Paypal are trying to do in making the buyer less afraid to buy with their new policies?
I have several lots of coins I'd like to list on Ebay, but I have a fear someone will buy them, cherrypick the better coins out and replace them with crap, then return them to me and get their money back from Paypal.
From a sellers standpoint, it's real dangerous.
Am I wrong?

Ray >>

I basically agree. With both PayPal and CC chargebacks, there is plenty of buyer protection available these days. It comes down to buyers' greed - getting something for nothing - balanced against "caveat emptor".

coinkid855 · February 17, 2009 6:08AM

Wow. Sold for $561...someone is NOT going to be a happy camper....

-Paul

The ultimate unsearched Lincoln roll gamble...

Comments

Leave a Comment