1830 Half Dime: Early Die State and Late Die State Images

Barndog · January 25, 2009 1:48PM

STONE · January 25, 2009 2:12PM

Extremely tough to find obverse CUD's on Bust coins.

Meltdown · January 25, 2009 2:40PM

Any guesses as to how long it took to go from the first break to that last one?
Would that be impossible to tell unless you were present at the time?

Barndog · January 25, 2009 2:43PM

<< Any guesses as to how long it took to go from the first break to that last one?
Would that be impossible to tell unless you were present at the time? >>

There are fewer than 20 known examples of this die marriage (yeah, I have two, how cool is that?). So...chances are it was a catastrophic failure due to a very flawed obverse die. This die marriage was the third and last use of this particular obverse die.

JrGMan2004 · January 26, 2009 8:09AM

MMmmm... yummy...

NumisOxide · January 26, 2009 8:40AM

Freakin awesome man! Love that cud.

speety · January 26, 2009 10:05AM

<< 

<< Any guesses as to how long it took to go from the first break to that last one?
Would that be impossible to tell unless you were present at the time? >>

There are fewer than 20 known examples of this die marriage (yeah, I have two, how cool is that?). So...chances are it was a catastrophic failure due to a very flawed obverse die. This die marriage was the third and last use of this particular obverse die. >>

Is it fair to assume that Mr.Halfdime has at least half of the remaining specimens?

Nice pieces Barndog!

Cladiator · January 26, 2009 10:22AM

I'd really love to see uber closeups of the S6 to rim cracks on the EDS coin if you've got 'em.

Barndog · January 26, 2009 11:31AM

<< I'd really love to see uber closeups of the S6 to rim cracks on the EDS coin if you've got 'em. >>

sorry, no closeups. The cud coin is 1500 miles away and staying there. The EDS coin is headed back to me soon.

MrHalfDime · January 26, 2009 11:39AM

"Is it fair to assume that Mr.Halfdime has at least half of the remaining specimens?"

Well, maybe not quite that many. I once owned a G-6 piece that I cherried within one week of the discovery of this die marriage by Dr. Eric Gutscher. It was a late die state with the cud, and was the second, confirming specimen. I eventually sold that coin to Barndog. I later cherried a G-4 piece, also with the cud, and sold that piece to a Tennessee collector. I now own a really nice VF-25 example with the cud, and a spectacular AU-55 EDS, without the cud. So I have only owned four examples of this die marriage, total.

Barndog · January 26, 2009 11:43AM

when I bought the late die state example posted, which was a couple years ago, that was the 13th known specimen so said the best research I could muster together (consulted MrHalfDime and that Tennessee collector). There may be other, unreported examples out there, but barring that, the EDS VF-25 example I posted is the 14th known specimen.

IGWT · January 26, 2009 11:47AM

BTW, I met up with the Tennessee collector on the floor at FUN, and he was complaining to me about the cost to retrofit his loupe with a D-ring.

intence · January 26, 2009 11:50AM

nice comparison pics

Quarternut · January 26, 2009 12:20PM

It seems somewhat interesting to me that the earlier die stage coin is so poorly struck up on the reverse particularly where the eagle's left wing meets the body and shield. Do all of the EDS examples show this weakness?

Ubber awesome coins by the way!

QN

Barndog · January 26, 2009 1:10PM

<< It seems somewhat interesting to me that the earlier die stage coin is so poorly struck up on the reverse particularly where the eagle's left wing meets the body and shield. Do all of the EDS examples show this weakness?

Ubber awesome coins by the way!

QN >>

the EDS example in the Logan-McCloskey book demonstrates the same strike characteristics where the wing meets the shield. Maybe if MrHalfDime would take a look at his spectacular EDS coin he might be able to make it "three to a match"

Barndog · January 31, 2009 7:50AM

<< I'd really love to see uber closeups of the S6 to rim cracks on the EDS coin if you've got 'em. >>

got the disk today (thanks mgoodm3!). Cropped the area you were asking about, here it is:

gecko109 · January 31, 2009 7:54AM

Where is the "apostrophe" after the "C" in America?

quickwing · January 31, 2009 8:20AM

I've got a 30' but just can't get a pic decent enough to ask for attribution. S4 & S5 are the only two I can tell have NOT been repunched and S7 looks alot like S6 in Barndogs coin. Reverse scroll alignment also looks same as Barndogs but the arrow heads are triangles, 5 C looks the same. Guess from the description anyone?

Edited to add: Break from rim through S6 toward center of headband. Break forming below S8. Rev- low D and almost touching serif of E. F filling in at bottom right side of letter.

Barndog · January 31, 2009 8:24AM

<< I've got a 30' but just can't get a pic decent enough to ask for attribution. S4 & S5 are the only two I can tell have NOT been repunched and S7 looks alot like S6 in Barndogs coin. Reverse scroll alignment also looks same as Barndogs but the arrow heads are triangles, 5 C looks the same. Guess from the description anyone? >>

no guess here, that just doesn't do it for me. Sorry

Barndog · January 31, 2009 10:23AM

<< 

<< I've got a 30' but just can't get a pic decent enough to ask for attribution. S4 & S5 are the only two I can tell have NOT been repunched and S7 looks alot like S6 in Barndogs coin. Reverse scroll alignment also looks same as Barndogs but the arrow heads are triangles, 5 C looks the same. Guess from the description anyone? >>

no guess here, that just doesn't do it for me. Sorry >>

I think we took care of it via PM...LM-13 for inquiring minds.

Cladiator · February 1, 2009 2:12AM

Thanks for the pic BD. That's so cool, split that denticle right in half

1830 Half Dime: Early Die State and Late Die State Images

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