1996 wide AM

ernie11 · January 27, 2009 6:54AM

Anyone read about the recent find of a 1996 wide AM cent? I'd always assumed only the 1998, 1999 and 2000 cents had this variety. Does anyone else own one?

tightbudget · January 27, 2009 6:55AM

Didn't hear of the 1996, but sounds cool! Where did you read about this?

P.S., I own all of the Wide AMs from 1998-2000.

frnklnlvr · January 27, 2009 6:56AM

Where'd you read about this?

I've never heard of one but I definitely need to look for this when I search rolls of cents.

joeyuk · January 27, 2009 7:01AM

LINK

GrumpyEd · January 27, 2009 7:02AM

Where was it said?
People often find close AMs with a small gap but they are still close. Die polishing can cause gaps on close AMs. To be a real wide AM also requires the correct FG placement and other differences in the rev die (needs to be the proof rev design with bus strike finish).

Unless it was verified by experts it might not be a true story. If it is real we need pics

GrumpyEd · January 27, 2009 7:03AM

WOW thanks for linking it.

Billys 1996 is a real wide AM!!!!!!!

frnklnlvr · January 27, 2009 7:11AM

So I wonder if all of the 96 wide AM's have a rotated die?

ernie11 · January 27, 2009 7:21AM

<< LINK >>

Thanks for posting the link. Actually I think I saw the story at NN...

ernie11 · January 27, 2009 7:29AM

Here's the link for the article in NN:

Numismatic News article

sanitarium1inmate · January 27, 2009 7:31AM

I saw this on the coneca website. I too have 5 of the 98's 1 99 and 1 00 . I would like to get my hands on the 96 version as well as the 92 close AM's.

ricko · January 27, 2009 7:43AM

Very interesting.... Thanks for the details... Cheers, RickO

tahoe98 · January 27, 2009 8:58AM

.................good info.

frnklnlvr · January 27, 2009 6:00PM

<< I saw this on the coneca website. I too have 5 of the 98's 1 99 and 1 00 . I would like to get my hands on the 96 version as well as the 92 close AM's. >>

Those '92 close AM's are pretty rare. I think there's only 1 '92 known and only a small handful of the 92-D.

Snowman24 · February 10, 2009 10:33AM

today - just found out that the 1996 wide am & others coins was stolen from Billy C over the weekend

here is the link Link

Swampboy · February 10, 2009 10:47AM

Just looking through a file I've made on what to look for in pocket change from all reports and I came across this entry.

1996 - wide AM (tentatively reported to exist per Charles D.)

I wonder if coppercoins will weigh in on this subject?
I'm pretty sure the note is a year old.

edit to say sorry to hear of the robbery.
I'm glad no one was harmed.

ressikanflute · February 11, 2009 1:34AM

I've scoured about 20K Lincolns in the past three weeks and have found a '99, '98, and either the '96 or '00 wide.

I swear that '92 must have three reverses. I see two different wides.

tahoe98 · February 11, 2009 1:48AM

<< I've scoured about 20K Lincolns in the past three weeks and have found a '99, '98, and either the '96 or '00 wide.

I swear that '92 must have three reverses. I see two different wides. >>

.............i'm surprised, after looking thru so many lincolns, that you only saw THREE!!!!

RBinTex · February 11, 2009 2:38AM

I like the close AM's better (but I don't discriminate)

Cool find though!!!

ressikanflute · February 11, 2009 4:17AM

So how rare are the '96 Wide AM's? What is there value?

I went into this thinking I would search 1 million coins in 2009.... Within that search I hope/expect...

1992 P or D Close AM... If I'm lucky one would be nice!

1999p Wide AM. I estimated 1 per 25K... or 40 to 50 1999 Wide AM examples. So far I'm on pace.

100+/- of the less rare '98 and '00 Wide AM... so far I'm on pace.

Also searching for other varities and accumulating roles for later search of the other significant DDO/DDR dates.

It's frustrating and monotonous at times. Generally, I set aside groups of coins and when I take a break I either roll them or examine them under the microscope. A $25 brick a day would be a very good pace. Generally I do half that...

Robb · February 11, 2009 4:26AM

What is the "official" list for AM varieties? I swear every time I sit down to break a box that I've lost my list from the time before. Seems like every time a piece together a list that I inevitably leave something off.

Robb · February 11, 2009 4:27AM

<< What is the "official" list for AM varieties? I swear every time I sit down to break a box that I've lost my list from the time before. Seems like every time a piece together a list that I inevitably leave something off. >>

This it or are there more?

1. 1992 Close AM - extremely rare
2. 1996 Wide AM
3. 1998 S Close AM
4. 1992 D Close AM
5. 1999 S Close AM
6. 1999 Wide AM
7. 1998 Wide AM
8. 2000 Wide AM - least rare

frnklnlvr · February 11, 2009 6:53AM

<< today - just found out that the 1996 wide am & others coins was stolen from Billy C over the weekend

here is the link Link >>

I'm glad Billy didn't get hurt but it is sickening to hear that. I think about all the work and pride I've put into my coins and I would be heartbroken and devastated if that happened to me.

RBinTex · February 11, 2009 7:15AM

1. 1992 Close AM - extremely rare
2. 1996 Wide AM
3. 1998 S Close AM
4. 1992 D Close AM
5. 1999 S Close AM
6. 1999 Wide AM
7. 1998 Wide AM
8. 2000 Wide AM - least rare

92-D (LIKE 2-3 ALL GRADES AT pcgs?) is DEFINITELY - EXPONENTIALLY - rarer than the 98-S (which e.g. is pop 27/0 in PCGS 69DCAM).

Windycity · February 11, 2009 11:25AM

Post like this drive me crazy. I have 50 rolls of 1996 Lincolns and I will now spend days looking through them. Both great fun and tedious... but I love the treasure hunt!

DCW · September 10, 2009 12:15PM

Any new updates on the 1996 wide am? Is it proven to be the real deal? Have any others been found?

InternetJunky · September 10, 2009 2:10PM

<< Post like this drive me crazy. I have 50 rolls of 1996 Lincolns and I will now spend days looking through them. Both great fun and tedious... but I love the treasure hunt! >>

Your tellin' me. I just went through half a bank box of cents one by one

. No way in h e double hockey sticks am I going through it again though.

ProofArtworkonCircs · September 10, 2009 2:49PM

<<People often find close AMs with a small gap but they are still close. Die polishing can cause gaps on close AMs. To be a real wide AM also requires the correct FG placement and other differences in the rev die (needs to be the proof rev design with bus strike finish).>>

The differences in the wide AM and narrow AM cents (or proof and circulation) strikes was mentioned on Collectors' Clearinghouse Articles in 1998 and 1999. I considered the possibility that there might be business strikes of the proof version. By late 1999 I was searching through every late date cent.

In early June 2000, I found my first wide AM 2000 cent. By July 2000, Bill Edwards had found a wide AM 1998 cent. I was anxious to document all of this, but then I found a wide AM 2000 cent that was due to die polishing. I felt I had to mention the die polishing, but never figfured out how to do it without sounding like an idiot. "Hey fellows, we have a sensational wide AM variety here, but don't get fooled by the die polish ones!" That sounds very weak to me.

tahoe98 · September 11, 2009 3:26AM

<< Any new updates on the 1996 wide am? Is it proven to be the real deal? Have any others been found? >>

.....this is the only story that i recall.

Snowman24 · September 11, 2009 4:38AM

here is another article about it over on Lincoln Cent Resource

plus the forum chat about it being stolen

Link

pf70collector · September 11, 2009 6:54AM

I think a recent 1992 close AM went for around $3500 last year if I am not mistaken and it was an AU example.

atarian · June 28, 2010 5:25AM

so far im up to 7500 coins searched ( 3 boxes)

So far i have the following

92- 0
92d- 0
96-0
97- 0 ( i expect one to exist someplace )
98-1
99-0
00-1
------
total = 2 or 1 in 3,750 coins.

I wonder if this is a good % or not.

ernie11 · June 28, 2010 7:10AM

<< so far im up to 7500 coins searched ( 3 boxes)

So far i have the following

92- 0
92d- 0
96-0
97- 0 ( i expect one to exist someplace )
98-1
99-0
00-1
------
total = 2 or 1 in 3,750 coins.

I wonder if this is a good % or not. >>

And I thought I was the only one who looked at the backs of 1997 cents, too!

Dunno if it's a good percentage. Years ago I found a 200 Wide AM, and it was after looking thru about 400+ cents of that date.

ProofArtworkonCircs · June 28, 2010 12:17PM

<<And I thought I was the only one who looked at the backs of 1997 cents, too!

Dunno if it's a good percentage. Years ago I found a 200 Wide AM, and it was after looking thru about 400+ cents of that date. >>

I have looked at the back of every cent dated 1993 and later (thus including 1997) since 1999. I have found 1 1998 wide AM and some 2000's. I looked through many solid rolls of 2000's from the banks and found none at all. In one batch I found some wide AM's due to die polishing, but the FG was not the variety. In contrast, a waitress friend saved me batches of 2000's from circulation. She usually gave me 600 at a time and I would usually find 2 wide AM's in the batch.

BigRick · June 28, 2010 12:39PM

I think a recent 1992 close AM went for around $3500 last year if I am not mistaken and it was an AU example.

Did you mean the PCGS AU58RB 1992-D CLOSE AM I sold on eBay for $2,750?

Starboy · April 28, 2022 11:40PM

I found one. how can I post a picture or video?

Starboy · April 29, 2022 12:18AM

Iposted some pictures and a video, but it need to approved.

MsMorrisine · April 29, 2022 10:42AM

are these photos on a different web server?

Starboy · April 29, 2022 1:38PM

I post my coin on a different website.

Starboy · April 29, 2022 1:38PM

is there a problem with that?

Starboy · April 29, 2022 2:09PM

mrlara2021@gmail.com

Rampage · April 29, 2022 6:46PM

Post the pictures here so we can see them. I am personally not a fan of going to some other website unless it is one I am familiar with. If you did truly find one, congrats though. That's a good find.

DCW · April 29, 2022 7:13PM

13 year old thread about a variety that doesn't exist.

ernie11 · April 30, 2022 3:21AM

@DCW said:
13 year old thread about a variety that doesn't exist.

Agreed. I started this thread 13 years ago. Yep, the 96 doesn't exist.

MsMorrisine · April 30, 2022 8:11PM

@Starboy said:
I post my coin on a different website.

@Starboy said:
is there a problem with that?

that is fine.

post the url to the photos and I can post if they are url's directly to the photos

also, scammers visit this site and you might get scam emails if you leave that email of yours up.

1996 wide AM

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