Where is the evidence you claimed to have. What you stated this time is the same thing you stated before. Links were provided before as well.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Says the person ^^ who apologized to the guy that lied, while refusing to apologize for what you falsely said about me. All I received was insults and ridicule for outing a shady/dishonest seller.
"WOW, I apologize for the comments that I made, I was clearly in the wrong".
And then I replied:
MB it is ok to apologize but you may or may not be clearly in the wrong.
Hmmm I don't know, I'd like to hear the other side of the story still.
Right now we have the accusation and the reply, I want to hear the rebuttal before I make my final determination.
Tim is not one to make wild accusations regardless of how confused he often is.
Also, the proposed sale off ebay was at the least a tad shady. If communication is through ebay the sale should be too. That would be like going into a card store and buying a card from a customer for more then he card store owner was willing to pay. I know ebay is evil but at the same time rules are rules. ==================================================================
Many more examples like this if you follow the links I provided. Check what he has bought with the id of mn-sportscards, and see how many of them are still being sold under Ebay id mnmiracle2004.
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve >>
That hardly qualified as proof as Stan portrayed it to be. What schr1st showed was proof. Note schr1st also did it without a lot of work, creating a big fit or the like.
Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
While the card was not graded by PSA, calling the seller a crook, as I've said before, is a bit strong. Unethical may be more appropriate, but this goes on all the time. The fact that STM has a woodie for outting and bashing MNMiracle is what this is all about. If this is the case, then sellers that buy EX and EX-MT graded cards, crack them and sell them as NM and better should also be outted. It goes on all the time. I'm not saying that it's right, but this example is more about paying someone back than it is about being a hobby watchdog.
STM never veiled his accusation but declined to identify his "proof." He just expects everyone to take him at his word, as he has done before. Well, when someone wants to trash anothers reputation, I need more than just the word of someone with an underlying agenda. If you're not prepared to back things up from the get-go, then don't even bother. Facts shouldn't have to come when everything else has failed. If you're prepared to trash, back it up, or don't even bring it up.
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve >>
That hardly qualified as proof as Stan portrayed it to be. What schr1st showed was proof. Note schr1st also did it without a lot of work, creating a big fit or the like.
Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well. >>
What schrst1 posted is the same thing you could have seen if you followed the links I provided way back in this thread. You could have seen all the cards bought under mn-sportscards, and those same cards were back up for sale under mnmiracle2004. All you had to do was read the links, but I guess popping off at me was easier than taking the time to follow the links for all the evidence that was clearly and easily laid out.
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve >>
That hardly qualified as proof as Stan portrayed it to be. What schr1st showed was proof. Note schr1st also did it without a lot of work, creating a big fit or the like.
Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well. >>
What schrst1 posted is the same thing you could have seen if you followed the links I provided way back in this thread. You could have seen all the cards bought under mn-sportscards, and those same cards were back up for sale under mnmiracle2004. All you had to do was read the links, but I guess popping off at me was easier than taking the time to follow the links for all the evidence that was clearly and easily laid out. >>
No, you said I have the evidence and were called out on it, and did not show it. It is not my job, or in this case schr1st, to do your work for you. In the real world the person that accuses has to prove, not the bystanders.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
And don't make us wait a week like you did the last time.
Or give us all lame excuses on why you can't
You said I apologized to MN prove it.
Steve >>
Steve, I'm done with you about this matter. You can't admit where you done any wrong, so there is nothing else to talk about. You wanted to get jabs in at me every chance you could, when you thought I was wrong, and it was working great until I tossed the proof back at ya. Now, you have to try something else, since you know I had it correct, just like I stated from day 1, when I said I knew who this cat was..
And just for the record, if I don't live on here every minute of every day, it does not mean I bailed on anything. It means I have a life outside of this board. Perhaps that is something that some folks on here should try to check out every once in a while as well(comment was not meant for all board members, just the ones who live on here all the time, and love to pick at people they don't like).
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve >>
That hardly qualified as proof as Stan portrayed it to be. What schr1st showed was proof. Note schr1st also did it without a lot of work, creating a big fit or the like.
Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well. >>
What schrst1 posted is the same thing you could have seen if you followed the links I provided way back in this thread. You could have seen all the cards bought under mn-sportscards, and those same cards were back up for sale under mnmiracle2004. All you had to do was read the links, but I guess popping off at me was easier than taking the time to follow the links for all the evidence that was clearly and easily laid out. >>
No, you said I have the evidence and were called out on it, and did not show it. It is not my job, or in this case schr1st, to do your work for you. In the real world the person that accuses has to prove, not the bystanders. >>
I made it easy as pie. Click a link, take a gander.... The same thing schrst1 did. Now, it's clear that you are just grasping for anything to pop off at me about. Geez...
Well no matter how we look at it, mnmiracle2004 is exactly what he was originally accused of being. >>
Very true...and STMM is exactly who we thought he was.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
My pride has nothing to do with it. The bottom line is MN was exposed as a liar and a cheat, we all knew that from day one.
Now are you going to show where i apologized to Mn or what? Or is it more of the same BS with you? Make statements and then when called out on them you ignore them or say you can't?
Keep spinning it too, you think the more you say something it will sooner or later become the truth or accepted as such.
Bottom line is you bailed out when confronted, just like you are doing now with me.
"Well, I must say that I will not play play along with this big game that some want to see. This board has a certain pack of people who love to see this stuff fester, and I simply will not give you all what you want(a big drawn out soap opera)."
"Says the person ^^ who apologized to the guy that lied, while refusing to apologize for what you falsely said about me. All I received was insults and ridicule for outing a shady/dishonest seller."
I standby everything I said about you. None was false.
"Well, I must say that I will not play play along with this big game that some want to see. This board has a certain pack of people who love to see this stuff fester, and I simply will not give you all what you want(a big drawn out soap opera)."
lol typical
Still waiting btw.
Steve >>
Wow, Steve. The crow must taste bitter, huh? Go on, finish your plate. You can't admit it, but we all know what guys got suckered by mnmiracle2004, while bashing me for pure entertainment purposes. It's crow Saturday for all of you guys who wanted to side with Ryan Hank. Eat up! Yum, Yum..
<< <i>"Says the person ^^ who apologized to the guy that lied, while refusing to apologize for what you falsely said about me. All I received was insults and ridicule for outing a shady/dishonest seller."
I standby everything I said about you. None was false.
Steve >>
And I stand by what I said you are. A two-faced backstabber.
And I stand by what I said Ryan Hank was from day one. I was vendicated. Case closed..
It's crow Saturday for all of you guys who wanted to side with Ryan Hank.
And I suppose you can list all these so called people?
I'll make it easy for you it was one guy that sided with MNmircle ONE GUY!! LMAO (if you want to call it that)
No one wanted to side with him, YOU forced us into not believing you, not believing him.
Listen you have worn me down, the proof regarding my so called apology is not forthcoming cuz you don't have any. To spare the forum anymore of this get the last word in and lets put it to bed.
I guess you are punking out on proving I apologized too.
No problem, I expected it from you.
Like I said earlier I don't backstab I say it to your face.
Now go eat your own crow.
Steve >>
The only little punk in this circumstance is you, Steve. I said what the guy was from day one. You guys that don't like me can't stand the fact that it got tossed back in your faces'. Now, you are grasping at anything to try and have a reason to pop off at me. If it's not one thing, it will be something else at this point.
No matter how I would have went about this, I would have been bashed by the little clique that sticks together on here. Do it one way, get bashed for something petty, do it another way, get bashed for that, too. It's just flat out stupid how some of you have joined alliances and certain members are looked upon as outcasts/not as intelligent as you all, no matter what those folks say/do. It's a false sense of superiority. Little high school games..
I have asked many times for all the vendettas to just be dropped, and forget the grudges of the past, so we all could get along, but some flat out refuse to consider this approach.
I proved I never lied about this situation, and I am a credible person. I did indeed tell the truth from day one about this guy(Ryan Hank), no matter what some of you think of me. Any way you want to twist it, that is the bottom line. I was vendicated.
I think the point is simply that had you posted your proof when asked there would have been no need for vindication.
By the way, showing a completed auction with an ebay masked username (a***c(18)) and then a corresponding new auction from mnmiracle2004 isn't exactly proof especially to completely trash someone's reputation. What exactly did you expect folks to do to link that masked username with only a feedback value to miracleman's alt buying account (mn-sportscards)? Apparently with enough work it was possible, thanks storm888.
Anyways, no offense, but you come off as a righteous jerk.
"...Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well...."
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The guy tried to get away with something bad.
He got caught.
"Cheat and Steal Until Caught, Then LIE."
That's the model used by MANY people in the collectibles biznez. I have seen it my entire life; such people never "learn" anything, except, maybe, how to do it again without getting nailed.
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The smart folks here will put all of the guy's known EBAY IDs on their BBLs.
Edit To Add.........In Case The Delete Function Gets Too Tempting.............
"..."As for the Pujols card. You do not have your facts even close to accurate. I purchased this card just this past weekend at a local show from a guy.
There was no mention of it
being trimmed or altered. I measured the card up and compared it to other cards and it measures up perfectly so I went ahead and purchased it. I was then notified from an
ebay user after I listed it on ebay that it was trimmed and to look at a completed ebay auction. I seen it was the same serial # card I just purchased from this guy and psa has
labeled it as: "doesn't meet the size requirement". I assume he just purchased it on ebay. I am not sure why that is but like I said I measured it and it measures up and actually
is larger then normal. Maybe they wouldn't grade it because it was cut too large. that doesnt mean it was altered. I do not do alot of grading and do not know the specifics of
there standards. I would assume if it was trimmed they would have mentioned that...If I had just purchased it on ebay and knew for a fact it was trimmed do you really think I
would have tried to repost it a few days later and actually provided a scan of the back for people to compare serial #s and hurt my reputation. I am not that unintelligent and I
would not do that to my reputation. I try to make every transaction smooth and only collect/buy/sell high quality items........."""""""""""
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i>"...Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well...."
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The guy tried to get away with something bad.
He got caught.
"Cheat and Steal Until Caught, Then LIE."
That's the model used by MANY people in the collectibles biznez. I have seen it my entire life; such people never "learn" anything, except, maybe, how to do it again without getting nailed.
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The smart folks here will put all of the guy's known EBAY IDs on their BBLs. >>
<< <i>I think the point is simply that had you posted your proof when asked there would have been no need for vindication.
By the way, showing a completed auction with an ebay masked username (a***c(18)) and then a corresponding new auction from mnmiracle2004 isn't exactly proof especially to completely trash someone's reputation. What exactly did you expect folks to do to link that masked username with only a feedback value to miracleman's alt buying account (mn-sportscards)? Apparently with enough work it was possible, thanks storm888.
Anyways, no offense, but you come off as a righteous jerk.
Robb >>
Bobb:
Please don't get confused. STM is righteous. I'm the jerk! Please, please, please don't confuse us.
So, since Ryan's name was tied to both accounts, has he responded at all or has he fallen silent?
Not that I want the drama to continue, but I'm curious if he continues to maintain his innocence. So, was storm the sleuth who busted this case open by tying Ryan's name to both accounts? STM seems to be taking credit. Honestly, I don't have the energy to read back through five pages of chatter, so could somebody give me the Reader's Digest version?
Good to quote it (and again here as well), but I get the feeling that Ryan won't be coming back to defend himself now.
<< <i>"...Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well...."
/////////////////////////////
The guy tried to get away with something bad.
He got caught.
"Cheat and Steal Until Caught, Then LIE."
That's the model used by MANY people in the collectibles biznez. I have seen it my entire life; such people never "learn" anything, except, maybe, how to do it again without getting nailed.
//////////
The smart folks here will put all of the guy's known EBAY IDs on their BBLs.
Edit To Add.........In Case The Delete Function Gets Too Tempting.............
"..."As for the Pujols card. You do not have your facts even close to accurate. I purchased this card just this past weekend at a local show from a guy.
There was no mention of it
being trimmed or altered. I measured the card up and compared it to other cards and it measures up perfectly so I went ahead and purchased it. I was then notified from an
ebay user after I listed it on ebay that it was trimmed and to look at a completed ebay auction. I seen it was the same serial # card I just purchased from this guy and psa has
labeled it as: "doesn't meet the size requirement". I assume he just purchased it on ebay. I am not sure why that is but like I said I measured it and it measures up and actually
is larger then normal. Maybe they wouldn't grade it because it was cut too large. that doesnt mean it was altered. I do not do alot of grading and do not know the specifics of
there standards. I would assume if it was trimmed they would have mentioned that...If I had just purchased it on ebay and knew for a fact it was trimmed do you really think I
would have tried to repost it a few days later and actually provided a scan of the back for people to compare serial #s and hurt my reputation. I am not that unintelligent and I
would not do that to my reputation. I try to make every transaction smooth and only collect/buy/sell high quality items.........""""""""""" >>
Many more examples like this if you follow the links I provided. Check what he has bought with the id of mn-sportscards, and see how many of them are still being sold under Ebay id mnmiracle2004. >>
The sad thing is that I've often thought about buying from this seller in the past (he had a 2003-04 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Lebron James I was considering), but something in the back of my head kept telling me not to do it.
<< <i>So, since Ryan's name was tied to both accounts, has he responded at all or has he fallen silent?
Not that I want the drama to continue, but I'm curious if he continues to maintain his innocence. So, was storm the sleuth who busted this case open by tying Ryan's name to both accounts? STM seems to be taking credit. Honestly, I don't have the energy to read back through five pages of chatter, so could somebody give me the Reader's Digest version? >>
Back this past week, I posted that mnimracle2004 was a shady seller. I posted the PSA rejected 2001 Bowman Chrome Pujols that he had bought from bbcardstor under one of his buying ids. Bbcardstor, an honest seller, had disclosed the card was rejected for min size requirement. Then, I gave the link showing mnmiracle was the seller of the same card with no mention of PSA rejecting it for not measuring up to be able to be graded. Again, another one of Ryan Hank's Ebay ids.
Some accused that I did not know if it was the same guy for sure, but I said I DID know for sure, since I had a bad $1500 transaction with him in the past, and that I had done my homework on him. I stated that I knew for a fact that cards he had bought under the buying id that bought the Pujols card, were being sold under mnmiracle 2004(his other id).
Then, it all turned on me when mnmiracle came on here and provided some sweet and innocent sounding reply, denying my accusations. I was told by my personal haters that I had lost credibility, I lied, made false allegations against mnmiracle2004, slandered him, ect, ect.. Which WAS NOT TRUE. I HAD INDEED TOLD THE TRUTH, I just did not want to give away my source, since I promised that person I would not bring them into this matter, per their wishes. I thought by going through pms with mnmiracle2004(Ryan), I could get him to come clean on the board himself. That attempt failed.. When I confronted him with the proof in a pm, he said he did not want to talk about it anymore, and has since stop replying to any of my pms.
From day one I stated that mnmiracle2004 owned both Ebay accounts, and was the guilty party just like I said he was. It turned out just like I said the whole thing to be from the start. I don't make wild accusations on folks, unless I know for sure what they are doing. In this case, I have been vendicated, no matter if pride or ego prevents some of my enemies from admitting I was right about this guy.
<< <i>I am posting this message for anyone who read the Pujols Bowman chrome post that was maliciously written against me.
Mr. Stanthemanmusial,
I was recently notified by a couple other collector/dealer friends of the messages you are posting about me regarding an Albert Pujols Bowman Chrome and a past deal we may have had. You do not know the facts about this card or how I received it so I would appreciate you not trying to slander my reputation. If I have somehow done you wrong in the past, or as you say a bait and switch tactic please contact me directly and refresh my memory. If I have I apoligize and I will try to make it right to you. You can contact me through the ebay ask seller a question. I would at least like to know what you are talking about or what I have done to you as I try to sell high quality items and make every transaction pleasant.
As for the Pujols card. You do not have your facts even close to accurate. I purchased this card just this past weekend at a local show from a guy. There was no mention of it being trimmed or altered. I measured the card up and compared it to other cards and it measures up perfectly so I went ahead and purchased it. I was then notified from an ebay user after I listed it on ebay that it was trimmed and to look at a completed ebay auction. I seen it was the same serial # card I just purchased from this guy and psa has labeled it as: "doesn't meet the size requirement". I assume he just purchased it on ebay. I am not sure why that is but like I said I measured it and it measures up and actually is larger then normal. Maybe they wouldn't grade it because it was cut too large. that doesnt mean it was altered. I do not do alot of grading and do not know the specifics of there standards. I would assume if it was trimmed they would have mentioned that...If I had just purchased it on ebay and knew for a fact it was trimmed do you really think I would have tried to repost it a few days later and actually provided a scan of the back for people to compare serial #s and hurt my reputation. I am not that unintelligent and I would not do that to my reputation. I try to make every transaction smooth and only collect/buy/sell high quality items.
Again, I apologize for any wrong I may have done to you. I honestly don't know what I could have done to you that made you upset but please let me know and if you want to me somehow make it right please let me know.
And Mr. Gonblott, I apologize to you if you did not like my price of $6500 on the very nice PSA 10 (BGS reviewed) Jordan Fleer RC. I realize SMR is only $6100 but this card normally sells for $6000-7500 as I just sold 2 others for around the $7k price range. This one I feel is one of the nicest I have owned and that is my price. I was trying to give you my best price so I said $6500 directly through paypal or $6720 if you wanted to go through ebay. I guess I learned my lesson to not try to give my best price offline to people. I will not do that any more then. I never knew a seller was obligated to sell an item for any particular price. Last time I checked a seller can ask whatever price they want and if I buyer pays it then it is a legitimate transaction. Now, that does not mean a seller should take advantage of an uneducated buyer, but I do not think that was they case in any way on this item as the price was very reasonable for this item.
-mnmiracle2004 >>
Ryan,
Yes, I do want you to do something to make it right. Just come clean, and tell the truth on here. Confess to the board that I DID NOT maliciously slander you, or your reputation. Admit I was correct with my accusations from the start, and that you are the one who lied to try and save face when you got caught..
Stan how would you like if someone were to create a thread titled:
STANTHEMAN SHADY AUTOGRAPH SELLER/COLLECTOR
Then when you came upon it and asked for some proof the person that wrote it said, well I'd rather not say.
I don't want to cause any drama here. Some of you guys have no life beyond these forums. etc etc etc.
The problem is if you are going to accuse someone (ANYONE) of anything you better be able to have a spine and produce the evidence when called out. Not say, well, I know cuz I know. And I was right all along.
We (and I can speak for the forum) knew you were probably right all along we just didn't care for how you had no backbone when asked to provide the PROOF.
<< <i>no matter if pride or ego prevents some of my enemies from admitting I was right about this guy.
Listen, you were right about the guy, WHAT YOU DID, WAS WHEN HE CAME HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF YOU PUNKED OUT.
He and the forum then asked for your proof and you clammed up saying you would rather not have drama here.
What part about that don't you understand or want to understand? Are you really that thick?
TO THE FORUM: STANTHEMAN WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE GUY
The only problem is Storm is the guy that provided the ACTUAL PROOF.
Stan should change his name to cement head.
Steve >>
Storm did not provide proof of who the guy was. Storm was not even sure who mn-sportscards was, as he clearly stated. I said from day one that I knew the id was one of Ryan Hank's alternate buying ids, and the cards that were bought with that id were being sold under mnmiracle2004. That was stated in the original thread that mysteriously disappeared(the one I started). I'm not sure why it was removed, or who done it. Maybe a mod can clear that up?
I did not punk out. This is just your sleezy way to pop back off at me, since you had to eat some crow in the end. I simply did not want to out my source, who wanted his name kept out of this. Once you claimed I could provide the info, and did not have to name who I got it from, then my source said it was fine to do what I had to do as long as his name remained out of this whole mess. He knows Ryan, and that is who helped me in the past to find out so much about Ryan Hank, what he does for a living, his buying ids, and some other questionable conduct pertaining to an Exquisite Lebron James rookie card. That's a whole new subject for another day.
this is the great drama I was hoping for! The funny thing is Stan you could have posted the info you had ASAP and the drama you wanted to prevent would have been over.
Steve is right in the fact that you created a lot of this mess by not posting for a week or so on the thread.
<< <i>this is the great drama I was hoping for! The funny thing is Stan you could have posted the info you had ASAP and the drama you wanted to prevent would have been over.
Steve is right in the fact that you created a lot of this mess by not posting for a week or so on the thread. >>
I was not posting for a week or so? Really, why make this stuff up? It was less than 24 hours in between my posts. Nice try, leathtech.
Despite the fact that I have had my fair share of disagreements, some turned malicious, with STMM I must say that it appears that he was correct in this matter. I DO apologize to him for any negative comments I posted about him prior to having all the facts. It appears he was correct but could have avoided a lot of drama by just posting all of the facts originally and I assure you we never would have received any kind of response from the outed seller/buyer.
Comments
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>You just don't get it.
Steve >>
Says the person ^^ who apologized to the guy that lied, while refusing to apologize for what you falsely said about me. All I received was insults and ridicule for outing a shady/dishonest seller.
purchase by mn-sportsards on December 14th
for sale now by mnmiracle
and no, I'm not StantheMan's source.
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve
More spin, I never opologized to anyone, in fact, I told the only person that apologized that it was premature.
Unless of course you have proof that i did. If so present it, and I'll opologize to you and the board.
But then again I don't expect you to have any of the facts straight. Your intent now is to play the victim.
Hence 'you just don't get it'
Steve
I quoted him....
"WOW, I apologize for the comments that I made, I was clearly in the wrong".
And then I replied:
MB it is ok to apologize but you may or may not be clearly in the wrong.
Hmmm I don't know, I'd like to hear the other side of the story still.
Right now we have the accusation and the reply, I want to hear the rebuttal before I make
my final determination.
Tim is not one to make wild accusations regardless of how confused he often is.
Also, the proposed sale off ebay was at the least a tad shady. If communication is through ebay
the sale should be too. That would be like going into a card store and buying a card from a
customer for more then he card store owner was willing to pay. I know ebay is evil but at the same time
rules are rules.
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Steve
52' Mantle
Many more examples like this if you follow the links I provided. Check what he has bought with the id of mn-sportscards, and see how many of them are still being sold under Ebay id mnmiracle2004.
<< <i>Mark (Meterorite)
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve >>
That hardly qualified as proof as Stan portrayed it to be. What schr1st showed was proof. Note schr1st also did it without a lot of work, creating a big fit or the like.
Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>who apologized to the guy that lied,
More spin, I never opologized to anyone, in fact, I told the only person that apologized that it was premature.
Unless of course you have proof that i did. If so present it, and I'll opologize to you and the board.
But then again I don't expect you to have any of the facts straight. Your intent now is to play the victim.
Hence 'you just don't get it'
Steve >>
Steve,
I never said I was a victim. Trashed for no reason by the likes of you? You bet. But no victim here..
It's ok, just go ahead and eat your plate of crow.
STM never veiled his accusation but declined to identify his "proof." He just expects everyone to take him at his word, as he has done before. Well, when someone wants to trash anothers reputation, I need more than just the word of someone with an underlying agenda. If you're not prepared to back things up from the get-go, then don't even bother. Facts shouldn't have to come when everything else has failed. If you're prepared to trash, back it up, or don't even bring it up.
<< <i>
<< <i>Mark (Meterorite)
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve >>
That hardly qualified as proof as Stan portrayed it to be. What schr1st showed was proof. Note schr1st also did it without a lot of work, creating a big fit or the like.
Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well. >>
What schrst1 posted is the same thing you could have seen if you followed the links I provided way back in this thread. You could have seen all the cards bought under mn-sportscards, and those same cards were back up for sale under mnmiracle2004. All you had to do was read the links, but I guess popping off at me was easier than taking the time to follow the links for all the evidence that was clearly and easily laid out.
Maybe it is you that should be eating crow.
Cmon you made a statement back it up.
And don't make us wait a week like you did the last time.
Or give us all lame excuses on why you can't
You said I apologized to MN prove it.
Steve
Big difference. One I'd expect someone like you to be able to differentiate.
Ok. I'm waiting for the proof still.
Oh that's right it was in the other thread right? The one that got deleted.
yeah that's it.
Steve
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<< <i>Mark (Meterorite)
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve >>
That hardly qualified as proof as Stan portrayed it to be. What schr1st showed was proof. Note schr1st also did it without a lot of work, creating a big fit or the like.
Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well. >>
What schrst1 posted is the same thing you could have seen if you followed the links I provided way back in this thread. You could have seen all the cards bought under mn-sportscards, and those same cards were back up for sale under mnmiracle2004. All you had to do was read the links, but I guess popping off at me was easier than taking the time to follow the links for all the evidence that was clearly and easily laid out. >>
No, you said I have the evidence and were called out on it, and did not show it. It is not my job, or in this case schr1st, to do your work for you. In the real world the person that accuses has to prove, not the bystanders.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
I never had to ask that they keep it confidential, I just knew they would unless they talked to me about it.
Tim finally gave us the info, maybe after we pressured him, or maybe after he talked to his source. That shouldn't matter now.
mnmitacle2004 is a liar and a cheat. He was exposed by a member of our fine forum. And I'm good with it.
..
Steve
<< <i>lol, so where is the proof I apologized?
Maybe it is you that should be eating crow.
Cmon you made a statement back it up.
And don't make us wait a week like you did the last time.
Or give us all lame excuses on why you can't
You said I apologized to MN prove it.
Steve >>
Steve, I'm done with you about this matter. You can't admit where you done any wrong, so there is nothing else to talk about. You wanted to get jabs in at me every chance you could, when you thought I was wrong, and it was working great until I tossed the proof back at ya. Now, you have to try something else, since you know I had it correct, just like I stated from day 1, when I said I knew who this cat was..
And just for the record, if I don't live on here every minute of every day, it does not mean I bailed on anything. It means I have a life outside of this board. Perhaps that is something that some folks on here should try to check out every once in a while as well(comment was not meant for all board members, just the ones who live on here all the time, and love to pick at people they don't like).
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<< <i>Mark (Meterorite)
He finally said the guys name after Storm divulged that the 2 ebayers involved both had MN in the name.
Why this was so top secret is beyond me. In his mind he thinks that his friend was betrayed by outing this guy.
Steve >>
That hardly qualified as proof as Stan portrayed it to be. What schr1st showed was proof. Note schr1st also did it without a lot of work, creating a big fit or the like.
Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well. >>
What schrst1 posted is the same thing you could have seen if you followed the links I provided way back in this thread. You could have seen all the cards bought under mn-sportscards, and those same cards were back up for sale under mnmiracle2004. All you had to do was read the links, but I guess popping off at me was easier than taking the time to follow the links for all the evidence that was clearly and easily laid out. >>
No, you said I have the evidence and were called out on it, and did not show it. It is not my job, or in this case schr1st, to do your work for you. In the real world the person that accuses has to prove, not the bystanders. >>
I made it easy as pie. Click a link, take a gander.... The same thing schrst1 did. Now, it's clear that you are just grasping for anything to pop off at me about. Geez...
I think he was being talked about last yr one time too.
Steve
<< <i>No, Storm finally gave us the info.
Steve >>
Your stubborn pride still gets in the way of conceding, huh? That figures..
<< <i>No, Storm finally gave us the info.
Steve >>
Well no matter how we look at it, mnmiracle2004 is exactly what he was originally accused of being.
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<< <i>No, Storm finally gave us the info.
Steve >>
Well no matter how we look at it, mnmiracle2004 is exactly what he was originally accused of being. >>
Very true...and STMM is exactly who we thought he was.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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Very true...and STMM is exactly who we thought he was. >>
Now are you going to show where i apologized to Mn or what? Or is it more of the same BS with you? Make statements and then when called out on them
you ignore them or say you can't?
Keep spinning it too, you think the more you say something it will sooner or later become the truth or accepted as such.
Bottom line is you bailed out when confronted, just like you are doing now with me.
man up! Show me where I apologized to MN.
Steve
Bingo Scott you have a knack of hitting the nail on the head.
Steve
"Well, I must say that I will not play play along with this big game that some want to see. This board has a certain pack of people who love to see this stuff fester, and I simply will not give you all what you want(a big drawn out soap opera)."
lol typical
Still waiting btw.
Steve
"Says the person ^^ who apologized to the guy that lied, while refusing to apologize for what you falsely said about me. All I received was insults and ridicule for outing a shady/dishonest seller."
I standby everything I said about you. None was false.
Steve
<< <i>Tim said:
"Well, I must say that I will not play play along with this big game that some want to see. This board has a certain pack of people who love to see this stuff fester, and I simply will not give you all what you want(a big drawn out soap opera)."
lol typical
Still waiting btw.
Steve >>
Wow, Steve. The crow must taste bitter, huh? Go on, finish your plate. You can't admit it, but we all know what guys got suckered by mnmiracle2004, while bashing me for pure entertainment purposes. It's crow Saturday for all of you guys who wanted to side with Ryan Hank. Eat up! Yum, Yum..
<< <i>"Says the person ^^ who apologized to the guy that lied, while refusing to apologize for what you falsely said about me. All I received was insults and ridicule for outing a shady/dishonest seller."
I standby everything I said about you. None was false.
Steve >>
And I stand by what I said you are. A two-faced backstabber.
And I stand by what I said Ryan Hank was from day one. I was vendicated. Case closed..
I guess you are punking out on proving I apologized too.
No problem, I expected it from you.
Like I said earlier I don't backstab I say it to your face.
Now go eat your own crow.
Steve
And I suppose you can list all these so called people?
I'll make it easy for you it was one guy that sided with MNmircle ONE GUY!! LMAO
(if you want to call it that)
No one wanted to side with him, YOU forced us into not believing you, not believing him.
Listen you have worn me down, the proof regarding my so called apology is not forthcoming
cuz you don't have any. To spare the forum anymore of this get the last word in and lets put it to bed.
Steve
<< <i>Yeah case closed you acted like a punk.
I guess you are punking out on proving I apologized too.
No problem, I expected it from you.
Like I said earlier I don't backstab I say it to your face.
Now go eat your own crow.
Steve >>
The only little punk in this circumstance is you, Steve. I said what the guy was from day one. You guys that don't like me can't stand the fact that it got tossed back in your faces'. Now, you are grasping at anything to try and have a reason to pop off at me. If it's not one thing, it will be something else at this point.
No matter how I would have went about this, I would have been bashed by the little clique that sticks together on here. Do it one way, get bashed for something petty, do it another way, get bashed for that, too. It's just flat out stupid how some of you have joined alliances and certain members are looked upon as outcasts/not as intelligent as you all, no matter what those folks say/do. It's a false sense of superiority. Little high school games..
I have asked many times for all the vendettas to just be dropped, and forget the grudges of the past, so we all could get along, but some flat out refuse to consider this approach.
I proved I never lied about this situation, and I am a credible person. I did indeed tell the truth from day one about this guy(Ryan Hank), no matter what some of you think of me. Any way you want to twist it, that is the bottom line. I was vendicated.
By the way, showing a completed auction with an ebay masked username (a***c(18)) and then a corresponding new auction from mnmiracle2004 isn't exactly proof especially to completely trash someone's reputation. What exactly did you expect folks to do to link that masked username with only a feedback value to miracleman's alt buying account (mn-sportscards)? Apparently with enough work it was possible, thanks storm888.
Anyways, no offense, but you come off as a righteous jerk.
Robb
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The guy tried to get away with something bad.
He got caught.
"Cheat and Steal Until Caught, Then LIE."
That's the model used by MANY people in the collectibles biznez.
I have seen it my entire life; such people never "learn" anything,
except, maybe, how to do it again without getting nailed.
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The smart folks here will put all of the guy's known EBAY IDs
on their BBLs.
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Edit To Add.........In Case The Delete Function Gets Too Tempting.............
"..."As for the Pujols card. You do not have your facts even close to accurate. I purchased this card just this past weekend at a local show from a guy.
There was no mention of it
being trimmed or altered. I measured the card up and compared it to other cards and it measures up perfectly so I went ahead and purchased it. I was then notified from an
ebay user after I listed it on ebay that it was trimmed and to look at a completed ebay auction. I seen it was the same serial # card I just purchased from this guy and psa has
labeled it as: "doesn't meet the size requirement". I assume he just purchased it on ebay. I am not sure why that is but like I said I measured it and it measures up and actually
is larger then normal. Maybe they wouldn't grade it because it was cut too large. that doesnt mean it was altered. I do not do alot of grading and do not know the specifics of
there standards. I would assume if it was trimmed they would have mentioned that...If I had just purchased it on ebay and knew for a fact it was trimmed do you really think I
would have tried to repost it a few days later and actually provided a scan of the back for people to compare serial #s and hurt my reputation. I am not that unintelligent and I
would not do that to my reputation. I try to make every transaction smooth and only collect/buy/sell high quality items........."""""""""""
<< <i>"...Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well...."
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The guy tried to get away with something bad.
He got caught.
"Cheat and Steal Until Caught, Then LIE."
That's the model used by MANY people in the collectibles biznez.
I have seen it my entire life; such people never "learn" anything,
except, maybe, how to do it again without getting nailed.
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The smart folks here will put all of the guy's known EBAY IDs
on their BBLs. >>
Agreed.
<< <i>I think the point is simply that had you posted your proof when asked there would have been no need for vindication.
By the way, showing a completed auction with an ebay masked username (a***c(18)) and then a corresponding new auction from mnmiracle2004 isn't exactly proof especially to completely trash someone's reputation. What exactly did you expect folks to do to link that masked username with only a feedback value to miracleman's alt buying account (mn-sportscards)? Apparently with enough work it was possible, thanks storm888.
Anyways, no offense, but you come off as a righteous jerk.
Robb >>
Bobb:
Please don't get confused. STM is righteous. I'm the jerk! Please, please, please don't confuse us.
Not that I want the drama to continue, but I'm curious if he continues to maintain his innocence. So, was storm the sleuth who busted this case open by tying Ryan's name to both accounts? STM seems to be taking credit. Honestly, I don't have the energy to read back through five pages of chatter, so could somebody give me the Reader's Digest version?
<< <i>"...Hopefully the seller/buyer has learned something from this as well...."
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The guy tried to get away with something bad.
He got caught.
"Cheat and Steal Until Caught, Then LIE."
That's the model used by MANY people in the collectibles biznez.
I have seen it my entire life; such people never "learn" anything,
except, maybe, how to do it again without getting nailed.
//////////
The smart folks here will put all of the guy's known EBAY IDs
on their BBLs.
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Edit To Add.........In Case The Delete Function Gets Too Tempting.............
"..."As for the Pujols card. You do not have your facts even close to accurate. I purchased this card just this past weekend at a local show from a guy.
There was no mention of it
being trimmed or altered. I measured the card up and compared it to other cards and it measures up perfectly so I went ahead and purchased it. I was then notified from an
ebay user after I listed it on ebay that it was trimmed and to look at a completed ebay auction. I seen it was the same serial # card I just purchased from this guy and psa has
labeled it as: "doesn't meet the size requirement". I assume he just purchased it on ebay. I am not sure why that is but like I said I measured it and it measures up and actually
is larger then normal. Maybe they wouldn't grade it because it was cut too large. that doesnt mean it was altered. I do not do alot of grading and do not know the specifics of
there standards. I would assume if it was trimmed they would have mentioned that...If I had just purchased it on ebay and knew for a fact it was trimmed do you really think I
would have tried to repost it a few days later and actually provided a scan of the back for people to compare serial #s and hurt my reputation. I am not that unintelligent and I
would not do that to my reputation. I try to make every transaction smooth and only collect/buy/sell high quality items.........""""""""""" >>
<< <i>And here is the 52' Topps Mantle that he cracked out and was selling raw under mnmiracle2004(the raw Mantle just recently got pulled by Ebay):
52' Mantle
Many more examples like this if you follow the links I provided. Check what he has bought with the id of mn-sportscards, and see how many of them are still being sold under Ebay id mnmiracle2004.
wow.....nuff said
very nice work STANTHEMAN
<< <i>So, since Ryan's name was tied to both accounts, has he responded at all or has he fallen silent?
Not that I want the drama to continue, but I'm curious if he continues to maintain his innocence. So, was storm the sleuth who busted this case open by tying Ryan's name to both accounts? STM seems to be taking credit. Honestly, I don't have the energy to read back through five pages of chatter, so could somebody give me the Reader's Digest version? >>
Back this past week, I posted that mnimracle2004 was a shady seller. I posted the PSA rejected 2001 Bowman Chrome Pujols that he had bought from bbcardstor under one of his buying ids. Bbcardstor, an honest seller, had disclosed the card was rejected for min size requirement. Then, I gave the link showing mnmiracle was the seller of the same card with no mention of PSA rejecting it for not measuring up to be able to be graded. Again, another one of Ryan Hank's Ebay ids.
Some accused that I did not know if it was the same guy for sure, but I said I DID know for sure, since I had a bad $1500 transaction with him in the past, and that I had done my homework on him. I stated that I knew for a fact that cards he had bought under the buying id that bought the Pujols card, were being sold under mnmiracle 2004(his other id).
Then, it all turned on me when mnmiracle came on here and provided some sweet and innocent sounding reply, denying my accusations. I was told by my personal haters that I had lost credibility, I lied, made false allegations against mnmiracle2004, slandered him, ect, ect.. Which WAS NOT TRUE. I HAD INDEED TOLD THE TRUTH, I just did not want to give away my source, since I promised that person I would not bring them into this matter, per their wishes. I thought by going through pms with mnmiracle2004(Ryan), I could get him to come clean on the board himself. That attempt failed.. When I confronted him with the proof in a pm, he said he did not want to talk about it anymore, and has since stop replying to any of my pms.
From day one I stated that mnmiracle2004 owned both Ebay accounts, and was the guilty party just like I said he was. It turned out just like I said the whole thing to be from the start. I don't make wild accusations on folks, unless I know for sure what they are doing. In this case, I have been vendicated, no matter if pride or ego prevents some of my enemies from admitting I was right about this guy.
EDIT: to fix a word
<< <i>I am posting this message for anyone who read the Pujols Bowman chrome post that was maliciously written against me.
Mr. Stanthemanmusial,
I was recently notified by a couple other collector/dealer friends of the messages you are posting about me regarding an Albert Pujols Bowman Chrome and a past deal we may have had. You do not know the facts about this card or how I received it so I would appreciate you not trying to slander my reputation. If I have somehow done you wrong in the past, or as you say a bait and switch tactic please contact me directly and refresh my memory. If I have I apoligize and I will try to make it right to you. You can contact me through the ebay ask seller a question. I would at least like to know what you are talking about or what I have done to you as I try to sell high quality items and make every transaction pleasant.
As for the Pujols card. You do not have your facts even close to accurate. I purchased this card just this past weekend at a local show from a guy. There was no mention of it being trimmed or altered. I measured the card up and compared it to other cards and it measures up perfectly so I went ahead and purchased it. I was then notified from an ebay user after I listed it on ebay that it was trimmed and to look at a completed ebay auction. I seen it was the same serial # card I just purchased from this guy and psa has labeled it as: "doesn't meet the size requirement". I assume he just purchased it on ebay. I am not sure why that is but like I said I measured it and it measures up and actually is larger then normal. Maybe they wouldn't grade it because it was cut too large. that doesnt mean it was altered. I do not do alot of grading and do not know the specifics of there standards. I would assume if it was trimmed they would have mentioned that...If I had just purchased it on ebay and knew for a fact it was trimmed do you really think I would have tried to repost it a few days later and actually provided a scan of the back for people to compare serial #s and hurt my reputation. I am not that unintelligent and I would not do that to my reputation. I try to make every transaction smooth and only collect/buy/sell high quality items.
Again, I apologize for any wrong I may have done to you. I honestly don't know what I could have done to you that made you upset but please let me know and if you want to me somehow make it right please let me know.
And Mr. Gonblott, I apologize to you if you did not like my price of $6500 on the very nice PSA 10 (BGS reviewed) Jordan Fleer RC. I realize SMR is only $6100 but this card normally sells for $6000-7500 as I just sold 2 others for around the $7k price range. This one I feel is one of the nicest I have owned and that is my price. I was trying to give you my best price so I said $6500 directly through paypal or $6720 if you wanted to go through ebay. I guess I learned my lesson to not try to give my best price offline to people. I will not do that any more then. I never knew a seller was obligated to sell an item for any particular price. Last time I checked a seller can ask whatever price they want and if I buyer pays it then it is a legitimate transaction. Now, that does not mean a seller should take advantage of an uneducated buyer, but I do not think that was they case in any way on this item as the price was very reasonable for this item.
-mnmiracle2004 >>
Ryan,
Yes, I do want you to do something to make it right. Just come clean, and tell the truth on here. Confess to the board that I DID NOT maliciously slander you, or your reputation. Admit I was correct with my accusations from the start, and that you are the one who lied to try and save face when you got caught..
Thanks.
EDIT: To add a comment.
Listen, you were right about the guy, WHAT YOU DID, WAS WHEN HE CAME HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF YOU PUNKED OUT.
He and the forum then asked for your proof and you clammed up saying you would rather not have drama here.
What part about that don't you understand or want to understand? Are you really that thick?
TO THE FORUM: STANTHEMAN WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE GUY
The only problem is Storm is the guy that provided the ACTUAL PROOF.
Stan should change his name to cement head.
Steve
STANTHEMAN SHADY AUTOGRAPH SELLER/COLLECTOR
Then when you came upon it and asked for some proof the person that wrote it said, well I'd rather not say.
I don't want to cause any drama here. Some of you guys have no life beyond these forums. etc etc etc.
The problem is if you are going to accuse someone (ANYONE) of anything you better be able to have a spine
and produce the evidence when called out. Not say, well, I know cuz I know. And I was right all along.
We (and I can speak for the forum) knew you were probably right all along we just didn't care for how you
had no backbone when asked to provide the PROOF.
Steve
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<< <i>no matter if pride or ego prevents some of my enemies from admitting I was right about this guy.
Listen, you were right about the guy, WHAT YOU DID, WAS WHEN HE CAME HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF YOU PUNKED OUT.
He and the forum then asked for your proof and you clammed up saying you would rather not have drama here.
What part about that don't you understand or want to understand? Are you really that thick?
TO THE FORUM: STANTHEMAN WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE GUY
The only problem is Storm is the guy that provided the ACTUAL PROOF.
Stan should change his name to cement head.
Steve >>
Storm did not provide proof of who the guy was. Storm was not even sure who mn-sportscards was, as he clearly stated. I said from day one that I knew the id was one of Ryan Hank's alternate buying ids, and the cards that were bought with that id were being sold under mnmiracle2004. That was stated in the original thread that mysteriously disappeared(the one I started). I'm not sure why it was removed, or who done it. Maybe a mod can clear that up?
I did not punk out. This is just your sleezy way to pop back off at me, since you had to eat some crow in the end. I simply did not want to out my source, who wanted his name kept out of this. Once you claimed I could provide the info, and did not have to name who I got it from, then my source said it was fine to do what I had to do as long as his name remained out of this whole mess. He knows Ryan, and that is who helped me in the past to find out so much about Ryan Hank, what he does for a living, his buying ids, and some other questionable conduct pertaining to an Exquisite Lebron James rookie card. That's a whole new subject for another day.
EDIT: spell
Steve is right in the fact that you created a lot of this mess by not posting for a week or so on the thread.
<< <i>this is the great drama I was hoping for! The funny thing is Stan you could have posted the info you had ASAP and the drama you wanted to prevent would have been over.
Steve is right in the fact that you created a lot of this mess by not posting for a week or so on the thread. >>
I was not posting for a week or so? Really, why make this stuff up? It was less than 24 hours in between my posts. Nice try, leathtech.
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