Poll: ASE to Silver Panda Collector ratio?

gecko109 · October 21, 2008 12:49PM

From the choices above, what is your best guess as to the ratio of ASE collectors to silver panda collectors WORLDWIDE? Remember, we are talking about all collectors worldwide, not just in this country. Whats your best educated guess?

percyb · October 21, 2008 1:06PM

I was going to say 60 to one.

GRANDAM · October 21, 2008 1:07PM

If someone could compare mintages of both coins that might give us a good idea?

GrandAm

gecko109 · October 21, 2008 1:20PM

<< If someone could compare mintages of both coins that might give us a good idea?

GrandAm

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I wonder if that would be an accurate way to extrapolate the number of actual collectors though. I tend to think that the vast majority of ASEs produced are bought and sold as bulk bullion items, whereas the pandas are sold more as collectibles. For instance, there are many, many people who have full rolls of various ASE dates, but I dont know of many people who have full rolls of various panda dates. So if the mintage (for example) of 2007 ASEs was 5,000,000 and the mintage of 2007 pandas was 500,000, im not so sure you could say its a 10-1 ratio as far as collectors go based on that data.

RYK · October 21, 2008 1:23PM

Where is the option for a gazillion to one?

gecko109 · October 21, 2008 1:32PM

<< Where is the option for a gazillion to one?

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Its hard to believe that with such a "tiny" collector base, as compared to ASE collectors, that a 27 gram silver modern bullion coin with a mintage of 10,000 pieces could sell for almost $2,000!!! Just imagine what that price would be if there was actually a market for these!

Sold on Oct. 17th for $1,952.89

mash · October 21, 2008 1:45PM

Wow I take back my entry of 500-1 and make it 1-500!! (misunderstood question)

We gotta take into account the huge population of asian countries which would collect these..

MillerJW · October 21, 2008 10:02PM

I would guess that the AGE to Gold Panda collector would be a little closer. Some of the silver panda prices are extremely high!!

rgCoinGuy · October 21, 2008 10:30PM

Educated guess?

Very Scientific.

RYK · October 21, 2008 11:11PM

Do we know for a fact that these Pandas are even marketed worldwide?

gecko109 · October 21, 2008 11:52PM

<< Do we know for a fact that these Pandas are even marketed worldwide? >>

I wouldnt know exactly where to dig up info either supporting nor denouncing the marketing of these coins worldwide. However, it would be extremely naive to think that only U.S. citizens avidly collect this series!

garsmith · October 22, 2008 12:00AM

+1

Cladiator · October 22, 2008 12:05AM

No idea as to the actual numbers but my guess would be that, worldwide, collectors of the silver eagels FAR AND AWAY outnumber collectors of the silver pandas.

TheRaven · October 22, 2008 2:25AM

I would guess 50-1....

I collect both of them

johnjinx · October 22, 2008 2:32AM

I believe there are definitely more collectors of ASE than silver pandas but there's no way to really tell what the ratio is. However, the panda series is definitely better looking. ASE's design is just a tad boring. A change once in a while wouldn't hurt.

gecko109 · October 22, 2008 2:38AM

Ok, my best guess would be maybe 50-1 or so. For every silver panda collector, there are 50 ASE collectors. Remember, having a few eagles, or pandas isnt really "collecting" the series IMHO. A true collector of a particular series has completed, or aspires to complete the entire production run by date and possibly varieties within the set. So Joe Schmo who bought a roll of ASEs over the weekend at a coin show cuz the premium wasnt bad, yet paid no attention to the dates is not a "collector" of ASEs by my definition. Neither is John Doe who bought a 2008 silver panda last week cuz "it was pretty". Im talking about the collectors who are trying to complete sets, know what the key dates are within the series, and pay close attention to varieties here.

Smittys · October 22, 2008 2:40AM

think it's higher than 500 to one,
In ten years of business I've had one maybe two people looking for pandas
Maybe it's my location

GRANDAM · October 22, 2008 2:41AM

Well, I guess that I am bucking the trend. I collect Panda's and NOT Silver Eagles.

At least Panda's don't get Milk Spots

GrandAm

WTCG · October 22, 2008 4:20AM

Politics aside, in the U.S. the ASE's are much easier to locate than Pandas and ASE's can be found for a smaller premium than Pandas so by default in the U.S. there are many more ASE collectors. In Asia, Pandas tend to be more popular than ASE's so that should offset some of the collector disparites between the two issues.

RYK · October 22, 2008 4:43AM

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<< Do we know for a fact that these Pandas are even marketed worldwide? >>

I wouldnt know exactly where to dig up info either supporting nor denouncing the marketing of these coins worldwide. However, it would be extremely naive to think that only U.S. citizens avidly collect this series! >>

Do you mean "supporting nor refuting the marketing..."?

I do not know either, but I would rather not assume one way or the other, and it is not naive to question where these are or are not sold. There's plenty of stuff manufactured abroad that is sold only in the U.S.

Wei apparently knows for a fact that these are indeed marketed in Asia.

Manfred · November 16, 2008 8:16AM

Its hard to believe that with such a "tiny" collector base, as compared to ASE collectors, that a 27 gram silver modern bullion coin with a mintage of 10,000 pieces could sell for almost $2,000!!! Just imagine what that price would be if there was actually a market for these!

Sold on Oct. 17th for $1,952.89 >>

- Gecko109

It's a real rarity in PCGS PR69DC though, as you know.. which is why it's a good few hundred higher than the PCGS PR68DC... I'm not aware of when it came to market last like that (I'm becoming a bit of a snob about NGC to be honest, I know the PF69UC's are around)...

I'm confident the collector base will grow significantly in the coming years- even with the difficulties that many will face as things unwind.. that coin should do very well... remains to be seen, however, if the asians will ever embrace certifying these modern rarities- me thinks not so much which would mean that it's all about what happens in the U.S market for these coins..

Broadstruck · November 16, 2008 8:51AM

<< No idea as to the actual numbers but my guess would be that, worldwide, collectors of the silver eagels FAR AND AWAY outnumber collectors of the silver pandas. >>

As next to Gecko109 I know NO one that has a Panda fetish