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Is it right for TPG company to charge higher price for higher grade??

Lets say there is a bulk submission of 100 morgan dollars.

Lets say grades are MS63-MS66

Does everyone realize the charge goes up with grade??

Anyone see a conflict or does it simply represent more time spent grading the higher grade coins??

Edit:
Actually I agree with the higher charge for higher grades because it does require more time and attention to grade a MS 66 as compared to a MS63.
Just consider how much more carefully we all examine a 'Guess the Grade' when it is a MS66 rather than a MS62-63.

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Lets say there is a bulk submission of 100 morgan dollars.

    Lets say grades are MS63-MS66

    Does everyone realize the charge goes up with grade??

    Anyone see a conflict or does it simply represent more time spent grading the higher grade coins?? >>

    If you think of the grade guarantee as an insurance policy, and you realize that insurance policy costs vary depending on the value of the insured items, it makes a little more sense.
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭



    ................well said, zig! image
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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    Right or wrong - that's the way it is.

    Seemingly, it would force the submitter to be sure he or she had enough Quality
    coins to meet the minimum grade set because if he (or she) didn't, they still
    would be charged for the grader to look at the coin.

    IF a certain % of the order sent in did not meet the minimum, the bulk rate no longer applied.

    Yes, it's known going in that coins that meet the minimum grade set would be
    charged "x" amount, next grade higher would be "x+", next "X++" etc, etc.

    The more the higher grades made - the more the service made as well -
    which does NOT sound unreasonable to me! (FWIW & JMHO) image
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 17,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    After careful reflection on the matter, I am perfectly fine with the policy. Life is full of potential "conflicts" - PCGS graders should just try 100% to do an honest job in grading the coins. The businessmen running PCGS and pricing their products can strike the fee arrangements separate and apart from the graders' work.

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  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    .....but what if the difference in price is extreme between grades? That's why I'd be submitting a coin.

    Lets say I insure the coin at the MS64 value, which is within the lower grading fee, and the MS65 price is well into the higher grading fee.

    Am I killing my chance of getting a "65" on the label? Would my chances be different if I'd submitted and insured at the "65" value?
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.....but what if the difference in price is extreme between grades? That's why I'd be submitting a coin.

    Lets say I insure the coin at the MS64 value, which is within the lower grading fee, and the MS65 price is well into the higher grading fee.

    Am I killing my chance of getting a "65" on the label? Would my chances be different if I'd submitted and insured at the "65" value? >>



    The OP is referring to bulk submissions not individual coins. Bulk submissions do not have a coin value assoicated with each coin like a regular submission.

    To answer your question though, the price you state on the submission form only addresses the return insurance on coins you submit and has nothing to do with PCGS's Grading Guarantee which I would guess is covered with some type of insurance policy.

    So, if you continually under value your submissions on your submittals and PCGS starts tracking this and catches on, they will contact you.
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  • You always have the option of telling them "no grades higher than a 64" .....image
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Whoops, forgot to add, the value you place on the coin thats say a MS64 which grades out at an MS65 should be covered on the return shipment since the insurance covers 1 to 5 to 10 to 25 thousand dollar increments.

    Regardless of what you place as value on the submission sheet has absolutely nothing to do with the grade the coin ends up with as the graders never see that submission form. If a major discrepancy does occur on what you paid for vs what it actually costs, PCGS will contact you.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You always have the option of telling them "no grades higher than a 64" .....image >>



    Not really since you can only specify a minimum acceptable grade. I suppose you could try but why?

    Keep in mind that bulk submissions are a minimum of 100 coins. Shipping insurance is calculated at market prices plus .23 cent per coin so it would by you little.

    For those who are unaware, under the Bulk Submission program, if less than 40% (I think) of your coins grade at or above your minimum acceptable grade, there is no charge on the coins which do not grade. If more than 40% of your total submission do not grade at minimum acceptable grade, you get charged $2.00 per coin for each no grade.

    Submitting presidential dollars with a minimum of MS66 can be a bit expensive, especially for the Andrew Jackson D coins.
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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977


    << <i>Anyone see a conflict or does it simply represent more time spent grading the higher grade coins?? >>

    Yes, it smacks of conflict of interest. And I doubt PCGS is spending anymore time grading a MS63 than a MS66.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TO: 2manycoins2fewfunds
    CC: David Hall

    I'm willing to pay a little more for a higher grade, aren't you?

    image

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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    If you send in a bulk submission of 100 Morgan dollars expecting grades from MS-61 through MS-64 and one comes back as MS-69 (its real grade), they will not hassle you for more money. If you submit a 1895 Proof Morgan dollar thinking it will grade AG-3 and it comes back as PR-64, they WILL hassle you as you really should have know it was a more valuable coin.
    Tom

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