Will PCGS certify a Trade Dollar with chopmarks as MS?
CaptainRon
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Will PCGS certify a Trade Dollar with chopmarks as MS? If so what is the highest graded TD with chopmark(s)?
Is there a book out that discusses chopmarks, and what/whom many of the individual chopmarks represent, with pictures to cross referance.
Thanks
Ron
Is there a book out that discusses chopmarks, and what/whom many of the individual chopmarks represent, with pictures to cross referance.
Thanks
Ron
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<< <i>Unfortunately, PCGS will slab these problem coins which display obvious and flagrant post mint damage. >>
It's quite unfortunate too that they put into plastic some funky asian bullion too
No malice intended.
I never stopped to think that Morgans, Peace, Barbers and even flying Eagle Cents were chopped too, but they were
The Rose book is fascinating with it’s ciphering & discussion of merchant’s & assayer’s chops, and an interesting read even if you do not collect those kinds of coins.
<< <i>Unfortunately, PCGS will slab these problem coins which display obvious and flagrant post mint damage. >>
This observation should be acknowledged by PCGS as the coin has obviously been in circulation. "Flagrant post mint damage" of this kind makes these coins interesting. They have done the job that the government has intentioned. The chop marks should be looked upon as a history of these coins in numismatics. Many of us collect coins to reflect the history they can tell.
<< <i>One would think that a chop is an obvious sign that the dollar has “circulated.” >>
What if there is no trace of wear?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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<< <i>One would think that a chop is an obvious sign that the dollar has “circulated.” >>
What if there is no trace of wear? >>
The chop mark is certainly a trace of wear.
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<< <i>One would think that a chop is an obvious sign that the dollar has “circulated.” >>
What if there is no trace of wear? >>
The chop mark is certainly a trace of wear. >>
Disagree. Is the "CAL." punched on the back of an 1848 $2 1/2 Liberty gold coin wear? Of course not.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>This observation should be acknowledged by PCGS as the coin has obviously been in circulation. "Flagrant post mint damage" of this kind makes these coins interesting. They have done the job that the government has intentioned. >>
uh yeah, that "job" was TO CIRCULATE! which is exactly why it is absurd for pcgs or anyone to call any chop-marked trade dollar "uncirculated"
<< <i>Disagree. Is the "CAL." punched on the back of an 1848 $2 1/2 Liberty gold coin wear? Of course not. >>
"cal" was counterpunched BY MINT OFFICIALS! not by chinese bureacrats. both are technically "post mint damage", but as long as the 1848 $2.5 stayed w/in the confines of the u.s. mint when counterstamped, then they can still be technically "uncirculated"
K S
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i> which is exactly why it is absurd for pcgs or anyone to call any chop-marked trade dollar "uncirculated"
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They dont - they call it 'MS chopmarked'...a very distinct difference. Coins are graded on condition, not on absolutes. In this case, chopmarked trade dollars are graded ignoring the chopmark and then the chopmarked designation is added.
In other words, there is no chopmarked trade dollar called 'uncirculated' by PCGS. There are, however, plenty of them called 'MS64 chopmarked'.
Complete Set of Chopmarked Trade Dollars
Carson City Silver Dollars Complete 1870-1893http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=2722"
<< <i>they call it 'MS chopmarked'...a very distinct difference. >>
check your slabs again
all the 1s i've seen, it says "PCGS MS-64" then ON THE NEXT LINE it says "chop mark"
ie it's a grade ONLY one 1 line. on the next line is text mentioning the damage (chop mark)
you'll see that other grade designators are on the SAME line as the grade, ie. "ms-64 dmpl" or "ms-64 rb".
<< <i>Coins are graded on condition, not on absolutes. >>
that is correct. & a coin that is damaged because of circulation outside the mint where the damage is obvious is no longer in mint state condition
K S