Ouch! This has to hurt ~ One graded out of 15

cheezhed · September 3, 2008 9:04AM

Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 13576514 6100 1812 50C US Questionable Color
2 1 13576515 6852 1795 $1 3 Leaves US Questionable Color
3 1 13576516 6892 1800 $1 AMERICAI US Questionable Color
4 1 13576517 6878 1799 $1 US Questionable Color
5 1 13576518 6878 1799 $1 US Altered Surface
6 1 13576519 7262 1899-S $1 US MS64
7 1 13576520 6559 1912 50C US PR97
8 1 13576521 7045 1877-CC T$1 US Cleaned
9 1 13576522 61601 1873 $1 J-1315 US PR91
10 1 13576523 6439 1878 50C US PR92
11 1 13576524 9222 1900 $1 Lafayette US Questionable Color
12 1 13576525 6950 1860-O $1 US Questionable Color
13 1 13576526 40087 1802 $1 US Questionable Color
14 1 13576527 7062 1882 T$1 Trade US PR91
15 1 13576528 7214 1892-CC $1 US Damage or Tooling

lasvegasteddy · September 3, 2008 9:08AM

commoncents05 · September 3, 2008 9:08AM

Some possible very serious coins in there. Interesting submission.

-Paul

fc · September 3, 2008 9:08AM

possible coin doctor or a really dumb collector is my guess.

dwssws · September 3, 2008 9:09AM

what about the ones that graded PR91,92,97

DoubleEagle59 · September 3, 2008 9:13AM

they'll be on Ebay when the next '5c listing day' occurs.

doh · September 3, 2008 9:24AM

Haha

jmj3esq · September 3, 2008 9:38AM

Thats just dumb.

rhedden · September 3, 2008 9:45AM

The 1899-S $1 in MS64 is probably worth less than the submission fees & insurance. The unfortunate submitter could have saved money by throwing his 1899-S dollar in the garbage and chucking the rest of this stuff up on ebay with blurry photos.

Edited to add: how would you like to be the dealer who sold him all of this stuff, if it was all purchased from one individual? Can you say "irate customer"?

MikeInFL · September 3, 2008 10:02AM

That does hurt, but let's remember that every one of us learns at our own rate....Mike

BigMoose · September 3, 2008 10:05AM

I saw that one as well on the shared orders page---OUCH!! Time to start learning or time to find a new hobby.

Placid · September 3, 2008 10:07AM

Myabe the grader was not in a good mood

tsacch · September 3, 2008 10:07AM

ouch x 14

Connecticoin · September 3, 2008 11:05AM

<< Edited to add: how would you like to be the dealer who sold him all of this stuff, if it was all purchased from one individual? Can you say "irate customer"? >>

Heh, the dealer probably did cartwheels after reeling in that sucker.

Boom · September 4, 2008 2:18AM

Man! It's painful just to LOOK at this!

Personally, I'd like to see some of these coins.

If the submitter had the guts to at least "try" then maybe
he or she can post some pix so we can learn something!

If you have these, post pix please!

messydesk · September 4, 2008 2:28AM

I think I'd rather see a bunch of "not genuine" next to them. This submission tells me that someone forked with a lot of choice coins and their customer got burned. I don't think a coin doctor would be dumb enough to submit such a big portfolio at once given PCGS's new stance on coin doctoring. It'd be nice if as part of the TPG crackdown they could track this submission to the doc and out him.

Boom · September 4, 2008 2:46AM

What strikes me here is obviously someone forked over a substantial amount of money BUYING these coins that although did not grade, are FAR from being worthless! These are still very valuable pieces of History.

What also troubles me is the fact that someone is out a lot of money on grading and judging by the type coins submitted, said submitter certainly is no Novice to coin collecting.

I'd like to "see" these in the hopes of learning something new today.

I'd like to see what it is that the graders saw!

Barndog · September 4, 2008 2:48AM

imagine if it was a crossover submission

Boom · September 4, 2008 2:50AM

I wonder if the submitter paid to have these photographed by PCGS!

Coxe · September 4, 2008 3:01AM

I won't say bad things about the host here, but I recently got a questionable color rejection on an NGC crossover Morgan that has a very low serial number and which I have had for well over a decade. This was back when they were dipping them for blast white lusts. Nobody was AT'ing, and certainly not at the subtle peripheral degree of this coin. I think all three top TPGs are gun shy and are rejecting way too many perfectly nice coins nowadays. Would not surprise me in the least if these weren't all from an long held Wayte Raymond album collection. Of course that is all speculation. Bet the submitter is spitting nails right now though.

MacCrimmon · September 4, 2008 3:35AM

<< imagine if it was a crossover submission

>>

Imagine if the submitter cracked every coin from a PCGS holder thinking they should all upgrade.

commoncents123 · September 4, 2008 3:41AM

Send them to ANACS...bout all you can do, and it beats raw

Silverstate · September 4, 2008 3:47AM

<< 

<< imagine if it was a crossover submission

>>

Imagine if the submitter cracked every coin from a PCGS holder thinking they should all upgrade.

>>

That would be worse!

Boom · September 4, 2008 4:09AM

Knock on wood but I've had real good luck crossing coins sent still in the slabs. I've never cracked any out.

I even managed to get a couple PCGS coins regraded higher (still in the slabs)!

NO WAY I'm cracking any certified coin out to roll the dice! Uh-uh!!

mozin · September 4, 2008 4:37AM

Shows why so many dealers talk down the grading services. I doubt this submitter will be buying anymore coins from the dealers he used previously.

ajia · September 4, 2008 4:53AM

I'd like to see what these coins looked like.

I've never liked 'Questionable Color', nor 'Altered Surfaces' as reasons to BB.
WTH does that mean?
The 'experts' can't decide if it's NT or AT??
They obviously saw something 'wrong' with the surface of a coin, but won't tell us what it was??

I feel badly for the submitter, but I've been there too.....only not to this extent.

BXBOY143 · September 4, 2008 8:56AM

<< what about the ones that graded PR91,92,97

>>

ricko · September 4, 2008 9:06AM

Yes.. please tell us .. what is PR91, PR92 and PR97...????? Inquiring minds want to know.. Cheers, RickO

LeeG · September 4, 2008 9:15AM

<< Yes.. please tell us .. what is PR91, PR92 and PR97...????? Inquiring minds want to know.. Cheers, RickO >>

Here is the list..

No Grade Description
90 Not Genuine
91 Artificial Color
92 Cleaning
93 Planchet Flaw
94 Altered Surfaces
95 Scratch / Rim Dent
96 Refund - No Service
97 Environmental Damage
98 Damage
99 PVC

PrivateCoinCollector · September 6, 2008 4:20AM

Looks like there is a new doctor in town.

MisterBungle · September 6, 2008 4:25AM

"Myabe the grader was not in a good mood"
-----
I don't know about the grader, but I can guess that
the submitter will not be in a very good mood!!

~

SkyMan · September 6, 2008 5:29AM

I'm somewhat in the mind of Coxe. While I strongly suspect the submitter has trouble knowing what AT looks like I also suspect that some of his/her earlier dated coins could have gone either way, AT/NT. Given the batch of AT stuff he/she submitted then I suspect the graders were going, "Yet more AT coins".

CertifiedGoldCoins · September 6, 2008 5:54AM

<< I think all three top TPGs are gun shy and are rejecting way too many perfectly nice coins nowadays. >>

I recently had a couple of Trade Dollars, that I believed to be genuine, and bought from a good source that were returned from across the street as "Questionable Authenticity." I didn't agree with that, nor did I like being given no opinion either way, while being charged nevertheless. ANACS did agree with me that they were genuine, and encapsulated them.

NHSBaseball · September 6, 2008 6:32AM

<< I won't say bad things about the host here, but I recently got a questionable color rejection on an NGC crossover Morgan that has a very low serial number and which I have had for well over a decade. This was back when they were dipping them for blast white lusts. Nobody was AT'ing, and certainly not at the subtle peripheral degree of this coin. I think all three top TPGs are gun shy and are rejecting way too many perfectly nice coins nowadays. Would not surprise me in the least if these weren't all from an long held Wayte Raymond album collection. Of course that is all speculation. Bet the submitter is spitting nails right now though. >>

I think that in the current "crackdown" the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction with many good coins getting bagged. Although the OP's example is a bit extreme, reading the shared orders page lately has been like reading the obituaries.

garsmith · September 6, 2008 6:49AM

Smoeones been buying AT'd coins

Coxe · September 6, 2008 8:24AM

Know what would be icing on the cake? ....if PCGS blacklisted the submitted as a coin doctor due to this submission of questionably colored coins.

PerryHall · September 6, 2008 8:30AM

I wonder how many of these coins were bought off eBay.

AnkurJ · September 6, 2008 12:23PM

Seems like a few grading companies dont want to slab colored coins anymore because of the doctors around. But seriously, some coins have gorgeous color which IS natural. I guess right now is just a bad time to be sending them in.

AJ

golfer72 · September 6, 2008 10:57PM

I dont understand "damage" or "scratch, rim dent". Arent all coins damaged to some degree?

golfer72 · September 6, 2008 11:01PM

"Environmental damage" ? Hmmmmmmmmm. The coins that were retrieved from the shipwrecks and slabbed were not damaged? Oh I forgot They didnt clean them, they "conserved " them. My mistake.

oldcameoproofsguy · September 7, 2008 3:30AM

I'm pretty sure this is a coin doctor who tried to put something over on PCGS but apparently his skill isn't what he thinks it is. Good job PCGS!

sonoranmonsoon · September 7, 2008 4:51AM

It could simply be a group of coins that were being sent in by a dealer for a second or third attempt at getting slabbed. He/she may have expected a high rejection rate.

Ouch! This has to hurt ~ One graded out of 15

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