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-Paul
That sure has changed color over the years.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
what a shame....
ugh
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
how i see it too...but you can enter me in this giveaway anyways as i'd still love her
Are the images in chronological order?
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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By auction appearance, yes.
How can you be sure?
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<< <i> It is clear that they are the same coin.
How can you be sure? >>
There are several marks that all appear on all the coins. Obvious they are all the same coin.
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<< <i> It is clear that they are the same coin.
How can you be sure? >>
The planchet flaws are like a fingerprint. It's the same coin for sure.
Would be interesting to know the sale particulars - dates, auction houses, lot#, prices realized, etc.
I agree that the marks repeat from image to image. But that doesn't prove they're the same coin.
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<< <i>There are several marks that all appear on all the coins. Obvious they are all the same coin.
I agree that the marks repeat from image to image. But that doesn't prove they're the same coin. >>
The only other explanation would be the coins are all counterfeit and the marks were transfered from the false dies. Bit of a stretch.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
It's also possible that one coin is authentic and others are false. And if that's the case, the images above could represent anywhere from 1 to 4 distinct coins.
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picture 1 Love it
picture 2 Still pretty nice, and may be just photography
by picture 3 it's getting ugly ... and by picture 4, an absolute crying shame
Do we know the provenance of each owner between 1 and 4???
A PM will work ... I'll keep it that way if neccesary
Because, for me at least, I would not sell to the owner who bought the #3 and produced #4, EVER,
if I could possibly help it ... no matter how much money was offered.
And I think the difference between 2 and 3 there was some work as well, so I'd shun that buyer too
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
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But let's say you owned it at that point and submitted it to a TPG and they called it "AT". Assuming you wanted to sell the coin for as much as possible, what would you do?
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I've made that mistake.
But let's say you owned it at that point and submitted it to a TPG and they called it "AT". Assuming you wanted to sell the coin for as much as possible, what would you do?
Andy,
Good question ... as for me ... if I disagreed with the AT I would probably try again, maybe a couple times ...
or, I very well may sell it raw
BTW ... I did this with a 13-S type 2 Buffalo ... Questionable Color ... sold it raw to a specialist who loved it ...
probably made it into a 58 to 62 holder on the next try
but, I am relatively certain in this case that state #1, as it were, was not AT
In fact, it is a very, very rare day indeed when I would dip a coin
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
It is very sad what has happened to that coin. They're not making them any more, you know.
K
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correlated, it becomes very unlikely the items are not the same (rule of 7's). The alternative
explanation is the items are different, but shared a unique group of flaws when manufactured. But
I find it unreasonable that four identically flawed planchets were all struck in the same position,
then worn in an essentially identical way.
I guess they could all be identical fakes after one common original---but why pick
such an unusual uniquely identifible coin to copy?
The simple explanation of minor doctoring seems the most likely---hardly very rare in
coins that old!
<< <i>Are we 100% sure that they're all authentic? >>
I see your point about the theoretical possibility of multiple counterfeits made from the same host coin, but I am inclined to believe that this atrocity is the result of stupidity rather than cupidity.
TD
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When I was at ANACS I was fooled by a low grade (Good-4) counterfeit 1796 quarter that had a planchet flaw in the right field. After Lee Minschull caught it by showing me two coins with the same planchet flaw, I found half a dozen more in various auction catalogs over several years with the same planchet flaw. Eventually somebody sent us the genuine coin with a lamination in that spot.
TD
Since the flaw goes straight through the coin, I would think the counterfeiter would try to remove the massive raised spike this "hole" would cause on the fake dies. In any event I am sure the pictures are all the same genuine coin here. Just a case of extreme greed with no forthought of the history being destroyed.