This guy is scary. Why can't eBay do something about this?
Shamika
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His response:
Dear Sir! Hello!
I sold the coins are tagged with "replica". If you buy my coins and I can give you transportation, no marked copy of coins!
Thanks!
So... um... I'm not sure what the hell that means. I guess if he gives me a ride to the gas station... I dunno.
How do you interpret what he is trying to say?
<< <i>The Peoples’ Republic of China is moving toward the ultimate in capitalism: the Country Corporation. The resources of the national government (including the Chairman and board) do whatever is necessary to manufacture and sell their products. This takes the American “Robber Baron” concept far beyond where Aster, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Mellon or their brethren imagined. The state exists to support business. The states uses its political, financial and military resources to secure raw materials, contracts and financial concessions that benefit the state protected businesses. Individual business owners share their proceeds with the state, and both exploit workers for maximum output and minimum cost. >>
Is the China out to exploit workers or foreign purchasers of the goods?
The vast majority of Chinese people are in the inland areas and are very poor. Isn't China is trying to industrialize those areas and also trying assist rural farmers that are having a hard time?
While the American robber barons were out to rob Americans, is China out to rob the Chinese? or .... ?
Of course, there are some that say China is robbing their own people by keeping their exchange rate pegged to give their country an advantage against others.
<< <i>This one is my favorite. Its a rare 4-legged variety of the 3-legged buffalo
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Yes, I did see that one.
<< <i>The fakes are getting better, and that is scary. They still can't get the date fonts quite right, or the strike...ever see a '26-S that sharp? >>
Actually, I was thinking the font on this 31-S looks pretty darn good. The date is especially done well.
And while the reverse on this 26-S Buffalo is sharper than expected, the obverse is certainly typical of the issue.
This is how to report a counterfiet coin to Ebay so that the ANA and the coin watchers group are both notified. They're the one's who take auctions down on Ebay.
You can send a direct email to EBay Trust and Safety, this method seems to work better than the violations link below the auction itself. Send mail to: rswebhelp@ebay.com
These auctions also violate US law but, you have to write to your Congressman and or Attorney General’s office and tell them it’s happening.
Contact my Congressman
Obviously these coins are going to be purchased and then resold in the US by coin dealers as real
<< <i>I asked through eBay if he has any available that are not stamped "Replica".
His response:
Dear Sir! Hello!
I sold the coins are tagged with "replica". If you buy my coins and I can give you transportation, no marked copy of coins!
Thanks!
So... um... I'm not sure what the hell that means. I guess if he gives me a ride to the gas station... I dunno.
How do you interpret what he is trying to say? >>
He's saying he's already sold the coins you see in the images (the one's marked "REPLICA"). However, if you give him your shipping address with payment, he will send you the counterfeits without "REPLICA" stamped on them.
You should forward his reply to eBay.
<< <i>Hi again,
I've posted these auctions in the past but got little or no response.
In any event... This is how to report a counterfiet coin to Ebay so that the ANA and the coin watchers group are both notified. They're the one's who take auctions down on Ebay.
You can send a direct email to EBay Trust and Safety, this method seems to work better than the violations link below the auction itself. Send mail to: rswebhelp@ebay.com
These auctions also violate US law but, you have to write to your Congressman and or Attorney General’s office and tell them it’s happening.
Contact my Congressman
Obviously these coins are going to be purchased and then resold in the US by coin dealers as real >>
In many areas, it seems you need corporations or non-profits to take a stand for anything to happen, and even then it can be difficult. In software, there's the BSA (Business Software Alliance) and large companies like Microsoft take their own action. In France, companies like Louis Vuitton take things into their own hands. Then there's also the ACLU and EFF.
Do we need PCGS, NGC, ANA, CSNS, FUN, and others to assist?
Should someone form a Numismatic Alliance to link these organizations together in a common cause with respect to Congress?
<< <i>The Peoples’ Republic of China is moving toward the ultimate in capitalism: the Country Corporation. The resources of the national government (including the Chairman and board) do whatever is necessary to manufacture and sell their products. This takes the American “Robber Baron” concept far beyond where Aster, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Mellon or their brethren imagined. The state exists to support business. The states uses its political, financial and military resources to secure raw materials, contracts and financial concessions that benefit the state protected businesses. Individual business owners share their proceeds with the state, and both exploit workers for maximum output and minimum cost. >>
Reminds me of The Borg on Star Trek.
<< <i>In many areas, it seems you need corporations or non-profits to take a stand for anything to happen, and even then it can be difficult. >>
Yup, you are correct but who is a non profit group... well, technically we are.
We need to take action and write to rswebhelp@ebay.com
That's how to get these auctions stopped... remember, the hobby you protect is your own!
Bottom line!
<< <i>Listings = $$$$$$$$$$$$ >>
True, true but...
Counterfeits = loss of $$$$$$$$$ because of lawsuits
We need to take action and write to rswebhelp@ebay.com
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<< <i>I asked through eBay if he has any available that are not stamped "Replica".
His response:
Dear Sir! Hello!
I sold the coins are tagged with "replica". If you buy my coins and I can give you transportation, no marked copy of coins!
Thanks!
So... um... I'm not sure what the hell that means. I guess if he gives me a ride to the gas station... I dunno.
How do you interpret what he is trying to say? >>
He's saying he's already sold the coins you see in the images (the one's marked "REPLICA"). However, if you give him your shipping address with payment, he will send you the counterfeits without "REPLICA" stamped on them. >>
Shamika, I didn't know that you spoke Chinese so fluently.
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<< <i>The fakes are getting better, and that is scary. They still can't get the date fonts quite right, or the strike...ever see a '26-S that sharp? >>
Actually, I was thinking the font on this 31-S looks pretty darn good. The date is especially done well.
And while the reverse on this 26-S Buffalo is sharper than expected, the obverse is certainly typical of the issue.
I agree, but they still look 'off' to me...they are definitely the closest I've seen, and are too close for some amateurs to discern...
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<< <i>Website with pictures of the China fakes, the factory, workers (29 pages)
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Dayum! Check out the shop!
I wonder if eBay will actually do anything...
<< <i>Website with pictures of the China fakes, the factory, workers (29 pages)
Link >>
Hmmm.... All I see are fake coins. No images of the factory, workers, etc.
Send an email to:rswebhelp@ebay.com and ana@money.org
Hello,
The EBay member jinghuashei and robert2313513, along with several others located in Communist China, are selling highly accurate counterfeits of American Coins.
Their auction photos appear to have the word “replica” superimposed over the counterfeit coin by using Photoshop, the word “replica” is not actually on the coins themselves.
This is how the coins actually are when purchased, the word “replica” is not present:
http://www.bubbleshare.com/users/profile/305237?page=1
This is how the auctions look on EBay:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZjinghuashei
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZrobert2313513
EBay must stop all “replica” auctions originating from Communist China in order to uphold the US Hobby Protection Act. Simply placing the counterfeits in the “replica or reproduction” category unequivocally will not stop the counterfeiting.
Not good. Although for someone looking for a cheap place holder in an album this could be interesting.
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<< <i>Website with pictures of the China fakes, the factory, workers (29 pages)
Link >>
Hmmm.... All I see are fake coins. No images of the factory, workers, etc. >>
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<< <i>Website with pictures of the China fakes, the factory, workers (29 pages)
Link >>
Hmmm.... All I see are fake coins. No images of the factory, workers, etc. >>
Page 19
I was just too curious about the replica stamp being on the coin. So I had to find out...
Replica link
Edit: I just sent him a message asking to please send a coin without the stamp. I told him I was
using it to fill a hole in an album...
<< <i>The Peoples’ Republic of China is moving toward the ultimate in capitalism: the Country Corporation. The resources of the national government (including the Chairman and board) do whatever is necessary to manufacture and sell their products. This takes the American “Robber Baron” concept far beyond where Aster, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Mellon or their brethren imagined. The state exists to support business. The states uses its political, financial and military resources to secure raw materials, contracts and financial concessions that benefit the state protected businesses. Individual business owners share their proceeds with the state, and both exploit workers for maximum output and minimum cost. >>
You've been reading those conspiracy novels again, haven't you?
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<< <i>Website with pictures of the China fakes, the factory, workers (29 pages)
Link >>
Hmmm.... All I see are fake coins. No images of the factory, workers, etc. >>
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OH MY GOD!!!!
To Whom It May Concern:
The EBay member jinghuashei and robert2313513, along with several others located in Communist China, are selling highly accurate counterfeits of American Coins.
Their auction photos appear to have the word "replica" superimposed over the counterfeit coin by using Photoshop. However, a number of people who purchased these have stated publically that the coins they received do NOT have "replica" stamped anywhere on them, and in fact are intended to deceive.
This link is an illustration of how the coins appear when purchased. Note that the word "replica" is not present: http://www.bubbleshare.com/users/profile/305237?page=1
Contrast this to how the auctions from the exact same person appear on EBay. The word "replica" has been added using Photoshop:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZjinghuashei
Especially in view of the recent controversy and court decision in France concerning counterfeit merchandise, EBay should act quickly to stop all "replica" and related-type auctions originating from Communist China. These types of counterfeiting are also covered under the US Hobby Protection Act. Simply placing the counterfeits in the "replica or reproduction" category unequivocally will not stop the counterfeiting. Further, they are now making these counterfeits out of the correct metal with the correct weight for the item in question.
I will be forwarding a copy of this email to my state Attorney General and Division Of Consumer Affairs to bring it to their attention.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
<< <i>Especially in view of the recent controversy and court decision in France concerning counterfeit merchandise, EBay should act quickly to stop all "replica" and related-type auctions originating from Communist China. These types of counterfeiting are also covered under the US Hobby Protection Act. Simply placing the counterfeits in the "replica or reproduction" category unequivocally will not stop the counterfeiting. Further, they are now making these counterfeits out of the correct metal with the correct weight for the item in question. >>
Very well put Plansim. Furthermore, I believe eBay starting a "replica or reproduction" category will only encourage such activities.
They even ended an auction for one for the Full Step Jefferson Nickel Club's medals
of the original Felix Schlag design struck in silver because it was in an SEGS slab!
It makes me feel warm all over to know I am being protected!
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That's how to get these auctions stopped... remember, the hobby you protect is your own! >>
Ebay's 20 cent an hour call center staff in India will see the Photoshopped replica stamp and NOT
end the auctions. Several members of the Texas Coin Dealers Assoc have bought test lots from
Chinese "replica" sellers. None were marked as copies, and no request was made to NOT mark them.
So as far as we have seen, all of the fakes are unmarked.
The fakes are getting very good. Compare to the genuine coin below.
The fake Morgan is 1 gram underweight.
If it says replica, and someone asks for one that doesn't say replica, do they know exactly what they are getting?
Is eBay being used as a way to deliver these items from the manufacturer to US-based sellers with both sides of the eBay transaction being "in the know"?
On the flip side, how many people would want to buy a fake with a big replica stamped on it? I'm sure there are some but as a % of buyers.
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<< <i>Ebay's 20 cent an hour call center staff in India will see the Photoshopped replica stamp and NOT... >>
Again... you're not just clicking the report link... you are writing an email to the ANA's Coin Watchers Group that EBay hired to police their coin auctions... because of all the counterfeits and such.
I know they take down auctions because this method works GREAT for us in the ancient coins forum.
Send an email to these to addresses:
rswebhelp@ebay.com and ana@money.org
Also, this violates the Hobby Protection act... you can send your Congressman an email as well!
Who is my Congressman, how to contact my Congressman
Nope. Just noting the many small international business articles about China purchasing large holdings of mineral resources around the world, particularly in Eastern Africa and South America. Billions of $ for control of hundreds of billions of resources – great way to supply the homeland factories at low prices. Note also that the government structure is less Marxist and looks increasingly like a large corporation. Chairman of the board, governing board, advisory board, area managers and lots of diversified enterprises supported by supplies, material and labor procured by Corporate HQ.
Chinese merchants are among the worlds most ruthless and cut throat – Singapore – a bastion of free enterprise – limited the number of Chinese out of concern they would dominate the local economy and trade.
Historically China has viewed itself as the “middle kingdom:” the center of Asia, and that is exactly the role the present corporate –style government is playing. Their main local rivals are Japan and India. But Japan has few natural resources, so the Chinese are bypassing India and spending their huge trade surpluses in Africa and S. America - they are doing the long-range planning that American companies once valued (with only Buffet and a few others left).
If Americans and Europeans did not buy Chinese-made products, or have things produced there, their economy would shrink and we would see far lower overall prices and a better balanced economy. But that also means paying more for clothing, trinkets, TVs, iPods, and many other consumer products. Several economists have estimated that the actual price of clothing would increase by only 10 to 15% if production shifted back to other small Asian countries. It’s likely that if Wal-Mart and Target took their business out of China, and back to Ceylon, Bangladesh and Malaysia, China would quickly begin sinking.
Either way, selling counterfeit coins without a replica stamp is against e-bay policy, so the point is moot.
Just an observation.
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Again... you're not just clicking the report link... you are writing an email to the ANA's Coin Watchers Group that EBay hired to police their coin auctions... because of all the counterfeits and such.
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Odd...Susan McMillan of the ANA told me on the phone a few months ago that Ebay has never hired any ANA people.
They have a "coin posse" of supposed ANA members, but Ebay will not reveal their names...no one knows who they
are and longtime ANA members who volunteered to help were never contacted.
See here
And, on the coin forums, the ebay "pinks" repeat over and over...
"Use the Report This link on the bottom of each listing page." or
the shortcut www.ebay.com/ccw
<< <i>I do not believe the word “REPLICA” has been photo shopped onto the coins pictured, I do believe that it is definitely “stamped” or incused into the field as the reverse area that is stamped, has the same effect as the Chinese “Cop Marked” Trade dollars.
I agree. At the rate this guy is churning out these counterfeits, it's no big deal to stamp "REPLICA" on a few "real" pieces.
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