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A Pleasant Surprise for Yankee Fans: Mussina 9-4, 259 Career Wins, Future HOFer?
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Everyone including Yankee fans thought that Moose was finished last year. He didn't get 9 wins until September 12th in 2007. Mussina has re-invented himself this year ala Jamie Moyer since he can't throw 90+ miles anymore (well maybe rarely).
Moose has 259 wins now. He has never won 20 or more games, but has won 17 games or more 7 times (19 games twice, 18 games 3 times, and 17 games twice). I say if he sticks around and gets 300 wins he will be a lock for the Hall of Fame. At the rate he is going he may even get his 20 wins this season.
Mike Mussina's Career Stats
Moose has 259 wins now. He has never won 20 or more games, but has won 17 games or more 7 times (19 games twice, 18 games 3 times, and 17 games twice). I say if he sticks around and gets 300 wins he will be a lock for the Hall of Fame. At the rate he is going he may even get his 20 wins this season.
Mike Mussina's Career Stats
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
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"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
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If he gets to 300 wins he will. There is not a pitcher who has 300 or more wins who is not in the HOF.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_Wins-3000_K's_club
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
There is not a pitcher who has 300 or more wins who is not in the HOF.
That is true, but he'd have to pitch another 3 seasons to get there, which is unlikely at his age (though certainly not out of the realm of possibility). The 300 is a magic number for the HOF, but at what point are we acknowledging longevity over exclence or dominance. After all, is Don Sutton or Mussina more deserving than Bert Blyleven? The HOF has been watered down enough. Mussina will get some votes, but I just don't perceive his career as HOF caliber.
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This season and 2 more he could do it. Fortunately you don't vote.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
With regard to the HOF, Mussina would be an accumulator just like Don Sutton. And like Sutton, Mussina has no business being considered a HOFer. I'm a Yankees fan and I'm excited to see Mussina pitching well at the moment, but he's been doing it with smoke and mirrors and when his location is off, he gets lit up like a Christmas tree. I cannot fathom him managing to pitch like this and win another 41 games over the next two and a half seasons.
Maddux, Clemens, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling are all definitely better. Maybe Clemens doesn't make the Hall-of-Fame, but Rivera and perhaps Hoffman will. How many pitchers from one generation can make the Hall-of-Fame?
In the past 30 years I see two pitchers close to his equal being inducted by the writers, Drysdale and Eckersly (though I would put them both slightly ahead), and one who was easily worse, Hunter. Only one who was superior was left out
I wouldn't vote for him until Schilling, Smoltz and Blyleven make it, but I wouldn't question anyone who supports him right now
<< <i>If he gets to 300 wins he will. There is not a pitcher who has 300 or more wins who is not in the HOF. >>
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That is correct, but we will have to see about that guy who won 354 games named William Roger Clemens. Mussina was solid thoughout his career and has not ever been in trouble, so we will have to see where he ends up # wise.
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<< <i> how in the world do you keep the great Bert Blyleven out?
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Hard to say. Maybe the writers feel he had too many losses vs wins, he was 287-250, but look at someone like Nolan Ryan's win loss ratio. Or maybe they looked at all of his years, year by year instead of just looking at his totals. He had lots of mediocre years. Also, he was only a two time all star. He did have just over 3700K's #5 all time, and is 27th on the list of career wins. That should have been worth something. Well it could be just many writers who want to be bigger than the sport and I wish baseball had a better way.
here feel are better. Sutton was much better then people give him credit for. He was much more then
a guy who simply was an accumulator of line stats.
I'd take him over quite a few guys in the hall in a big game.
Steve
As for Mussina he is on the cusp.
As for the HOF, he never won 20 games, and only once did he crack the Top 3 in Cy Young voting - no way he is in, even with ~260-270 career wins.
"He has never won 20 or more games, but has won 17 games or more 7 times (19 games twice, 18 games 3 times, and 17 games twice)"
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Mike Mussina's Lifetime Stats
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Dimes: 54S, 53P, 50P, 49S, 45D+S, 44S, 43D, 41S, 40D+S, 39D+S, 38D+S, 37D+S, 36S, 35D+S, all 16-34's
Quarters: 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
74 Topps: 37,38,46,47,48,138,151,193,210,214,223,241,256,264,268,277,289,316,435,552,570,577,592,602,610,654,655
1997 Finest silver: 115, 135, 139, 145, 310
1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
I have to admit, though, that I am coming around on Mussina. The more I look at his numbers, the more I think he deserves consideration, certainly not first ballot, but could get in. But, I agree with Estil, once Blyleven is in, then we can start the Mussina discussion. No way should he get in before Blyleven.
What will be interesting is if both Mussina and Schilling retire after this year and go on the ballot together. I'm curious who would get closer to 75% (I don't think either is a first ballot HOFer).