I hope they bought you dinner and movie first.....
Tell them that you will come pick it up in person, wait 1 week, then call and ask them to send it via reg mail and tell them that you will gladly pay the 10 bucks to ship it...
I got whacked with a $90 shipping charge on a $440 hammer. I've purchased twice from them in the past, with slightly higher hammers, and was only charged $14. I am assuming this is an obvious mistake, and a call should hopefully fix it. If not . . .
<< <i>Using that PCGS # IMO makes that auction void.
Steve >>
I think that using the PCGS number was, at best, misleading.
The shipping charges are excessive, and I somehow doubt that they are a mistake in calculations. Seems more like those jacked-up S&H charges on the TV ad specials that my Gramma used to fall for.
I hope that they fix your invoice - if not, I hope you tell 'em to get stuffed. You might want to invite them over to the PCGS forum as well...
<< <i>I think the description is a little misleading:
<< <i>1870 Liberty Seated Half Dime. AU-58. Lightly toned and frosty (PCGS # 4396). >>
One might think that the coin is graded AU58 by PCGS.
It is a nice looking coin though. >>
Yep......keyword spamming, which they get around by using live auctions, and this whole shipping/handling charge fiasco......they really seem trustworthy. Whoever is doing their auctions knows exactly what they are and it sure doesn't seem to be very upfront and honest.....
It wasn't certified by PCGS? Man, that is misleading. The fees are absurd. I won't even look at another Goldberg auction no matter how much I want a particular coin!
<< <i>Using that PCGS # IMO makes that auction void.
Steve >>
I think that using the PCGS number was, at best, misleading.
The shipping charges are excessive, and I somehow doubt that they are a mistake in calculations. Seems more like those jacked-up S&H charges on the TV ad specials that my Gramma used to fall for.
I hope that they fix your invoice - if not, I hope you tell 'em to get stuffed. You might want to invite them over to the PCGS forum as well... >>
Dont worry someone else will......
Advanced collector of BREWERIANA. Early beer advertising (beer cans, tap knobs, foam scrapers, trays, tin signs, lithos, paper, etc)....My first love...U.S. COINS!
1. Outrageous shipping (against eBay rules - it's a form of fee avoidance) 2. Failure to properly manage bids according to eBay rules - the coin was auctioned on eBay and should follow eBay rules. >>
Make sure you contact them first and see if they will make do on proper shipping charges.($15 max if by registered, $10 max if sent w/ insurance or not)
If they do not lower the shipping then file a complaint with ebay for the 2 reasons listed above. Ebay will side with you for the excessive shipping charge for sure. >>
Bare minimum to ship with Registered costs the shipper $15. $18-$20 is more in line for a Registered Package for only a few coins up to about $3,000 insurance.
<< <i>Using that PCGS # IMO makes that auction void.
Steve >>
I think that using the PCGS number was, at best, misleading.
The shipping charges are excessive, and I somehow doubt that they are a mistake in calculations. Seems more like those jacked-up S&H charges on the TV ad specials that my Gramma used to fall for.
I hope that they fix your invoice - if not, I hope you tell 'em to get stuffed. You might want to invite them over to the PCGS forum as well... >>
Oh, and a suggestion for you... if you call them and don't get satisfaction, report them to the PNG and the ANA. That's part of what those two organizations are there for, especially the PNG.
I've bought many lots from Goldberg over the years with no problems. The shipping was always reasonable. They have a new arrangement with McCawley and Grellman to auction a lot of early copper.
BTW, the coin (1870 Liberty Seated H10C) looks at least as nice in the photo as any AU58 I've ever seen. I don't believe including the PCGS coin number in any way implies the coin is slabbed by PCGS. Heritage also includes the PCGS coin number in many of their lot descriptions, even when the coin is slabbed by another TPG.
Also, BTW, why would anyone pay 5% extra to bid on eBay when you can bid directly with the auction company for free?
<< <i>...I don't believe including the PCGS coin number in any way implies the coin is slabbed by PCGS. Heritage also includes the PCGS coin number in many of their lot descriptions, even when the coin is slabbed by another TPG... >>
Fooled me...
So what is their motivation by mentioning the PCGS number (other than keyword spamming of course)?
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
I cancelled a bid on a Bust half that I also thought was graded by pcgs, and was actually raw. Very misleading of them to include the pcgs#'s on raw coins.
The catalog clearly states which coins are slabbed and which are not.
From lot 3922:
<< <i>Lot 3922 1843 Liberty Seated Half Dime. PCGS graded MS-63. A bold strike with light gray toning. The devices were struck with such power by the dies that all design elements show boldly including the central leaf veins and the knot tying the ribbon (PCGS # 4332). >>
The lot in question (3925):
<< <i>Lot 3925 1870 Liberty Seated Half Dime. AU-58. Lightly toned and frosty (PCGS # 4396). >>
The PCGS coin numbers are provided by the auction houses for the convenience of bidders considering adding to registry sets, among other possible reasons.
yeah , like I'm building a registry set dude .......and ......ahhhhh , the date and mint mark do not give me enough information
when i`m bidding on one new coin for my set ..... ahhhh, I need that PCGS # so I can figure out if that's a coin if I need for my set dude ..............
...............and one other thing dude ......, like ahhhhhh ........... alot of dude's here are telling this dude to not honor his bid !
DUDE !! that's wrong isn't it dude , like , I mean .......... shouldn't honest , reputable people always pay for auctions they win ? dude .......
<< <i>Using that PCGS # IMO makes that auction void.
Steve >>
I think that using the PCGS number was, at best, misleading.
The shipping charges are excessive, and I somehow doubt that they are a mistake in calculations. Seems more like those jacked-up S&H charges on the TV ad specials that my Gramma used to fall for.
I hope that they fix your invoice - if not, I hope you tell 'em to get stuffed. You might want to invite them over to the PCGS forum as well... >>
Dont worry someone else will...... >>
Nothing wrong with someone inviting them over here to post their side of the auction hosings....I, for one, would LOVE to hear their justification of the SHI fees and the reason they keyword spam
It's interesting to note that the bid price jumped up $45 in 5 seconds by the livefloorauctionbidder then another $60 in 26 seconds to stop conveniently at your $150 max bid? Have you copied and pasted everything for the showdown with ebay? Goldbergs?
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
ebay live auctions are a complete joke. Why charge yourself an extra fee (in this case 20%)-(i know,some charge it anyways), when you can go to the website and avoid it? Could it be that every invoice was charged an extra fee because of a(excuse) computer glitch? Appears to me that the fee was added in twice. JMO. Bob
Take a deep breath, calm down and call them Monday.
My invoice is for about 10 times yours and my shipping fee is only $22. Sounds like a glitch. Not only that, I sent in (no way ebay!) absentee bids and if they weren't honest they could have jacked my bid up by over a thousand dollars if they had gone to my max. No need for a mob just yet .
As for the pcgs thing..I have no idea. I was looking at darkside only and it was pretty clear what was in an ngc slab. I have no idea why it would be of interest to have a pcgs number, but then again I have no idea why anyone would collect belly button lint or Fred Flinstone figures either.
<< <i>Take a deep breath, calm down and call them Monday.
My invoice is for about 10 times yours and my shipping fee is only $22. Sounds like a glitch. Not only that, I sent in (no way ebay!) absentee bids and if they weren't honest they could have jacked my bid up by over a thousand dollars if they had gone to my max. No need for a mob just yet .
>>
Smart advice although it appears too late to talk this one ( along with some others ) down from the ledge.
I just got an invoice from them and shipping was fine. There was the following note: Thank you for your participation in our sale 46 and 47 Ebay buyers please confirm billing and shipping address so that your account can be set up properly. Shipping prices are based on value only. Shipping price may vary due to weight or destination.
I have not read the entire thread and hate to get between the lynch mob and the victim, but is it possible that the OP was bidding against the book to get to $150, as often happens in these auctions?
Also, PCGS was not in the title, no slab photos were shown, and no slabbed grade was given, so I do not think that one can make the argument for keyword spamming in this case. I do not believe that the auction company was trying to deceive.
Finally, the shipping charge does seem high but is probably a mistake that can be corrected with a simple phone call.
Most of you who say that you will never buy from Goldberg's probably never have in the past and would likely not do so in the future, but I guess it is macho to pile on.
Disclosure: No relationship to the OP or the auction house. In fact, I have never bid on or purchased a coin from the Goldberg's.
Keyword spamming is an Ebay issue, not an auction house issue. Auction houses have been around a long time and make accurate descriptions of their coins. The use of PCGS numbers to positively identify the coin/variety is common and should be easily recognized without confusion.
Don't be tempted to look at the real world thru eBay glasses. It's two different places.
I won a lot for $150. The lot is a piece of Fractional Currency and the shipping is $19.00. That Fractional Currency has a history of being extra heavy...NOT!
<< <i>**Update** Just got off the phone with Goldbergs. Didnt catch the name of the guy I spoke to. He did say that the shipping was wrong and it would be reduced. I asked about the bid history and was told the guy who deals with the ebay stuff was out today. He asked that I email him with my concerns and call back tomorrow. They'll check it out and lower the prices based on the information. Sounds like theyre gonna make this right. >>
It should never have been wrong in the first place IMO! The reply by JCMhouston is a sure indicator that your auction was the rule and not the exception.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
How come if they put PCGS and number in their ebay ad it's ok with many here ,but if one of us small time sellers do it, it is key word spaming and our auction gets pulled?
''Coin collecting is the only hobby where you can spend all your money and still have some left''
<< <i>How come if they put PCGS and number in their ebay ad it's ok with many here ,but if one of us small time sellers do it, it is key word spaming and our auction gets pulled? >>
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Hoard the keys.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
Steve
<< <i>Ira and Larry Goldberg Auctions
I will remember their name and avoid them
I would not pay the outrageous shipping charges >>
Agreed. Whatever the outcome I will avoid their auctions. I had been tempted to sign up and give them a try. Not now.
Mark
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/liberty-head-2-1-gold-major-sets/liberty-head-2-1-gold-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1840-1907-cac/alltimeset/268163
Tell them that you will come pick it up in person, wait 1 week, then call and ask them to send it via reg mail and tell them that you will gladly pay the 10 bucks to ship it...
Virtus Collection - Renaissance and Baroque Medals
I would dispute the listing with ebay and get out of this purchase. And they would have to explain how you bid against yourself
up to your max bid.
<< <i>Using that PCGS # IMO makes that auction void.
Steve >>
I think that using the PCGS number was, at best, misleading.
The shipping charges are excessive, and I somehow doubt that they are a mistake in calculations. Seems more like those jacked-up S&H charges on the TV ad specials that my Gramma used to fall for.
I hope that they fix your invoice - if not, I hope you tell 'em to get stuffed. You might want to invite them over to the PCGS forum as well...
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
<< <i>I think the description is a little misleading:
<< <i>1870 Liberty Seated Half Dime. AU-58. Lightly toned and frosty (PCGS # 4396). >>
One might think that the coin is graded AU58 by PCGS.
It is a nice looking coin though.
Yep......keyword spamming, which they get around by using live auctions, and this whole shipping/handling charge fiasco......they really seem trustworthy.
Whoever is doing their auctions knows exactly what they are and it sure doesn't seem to be very upfront and honest.....
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>
<< <i>Ira and Larry Goldberg Auctions
I will remember their name and avoid them
I would not pay the outrageous shipping charges >>
Agreed. Whatever the outcome I will avoid their auctions. I had been tempted to sign up and give them a try. Not now.
Mark >>
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Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
I assume it was graded by PCGS with their reference in their description.
What does PCGS # 4396 mean anyway?
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
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You got screwed. Call them hopefully they'll take care of it. If not, don't pay and use all the tips in this thread as your back up rationale.
Let em list the coin again and sell it for $50 or 60 as opposed to sell it to you for $95 + a reasonable shipped fee.
Good luck.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
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<< <i>Using that PCGS # IMO makes that auction void.
Steve >>
I think that using the PCGS number was, at best, misleading.
The shipping charges are excessive, and I somehow doubt that they are a mistake in calculations. Seems more like those jacked-up S&H charges on the TV ad specials that my Gramma used to fall for.
I hope that they fix your invoice - if not, I hope you tell 'em to get stuffed. You might want to invite them over to the PCGS forum as well... >>
Dont worry someone else will......
What would your average dealer pay a walk-in for that coin?
scamarama
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<< <i>File an auction dispute with eBay alleging:
1. Outrageous shipping (against eBay rules - it's a form of fee avoidance)
2. Failure to properly manage bids according to eBay rules - the coin was auctioned on eBay and should follow eBay rules. >>
Make sure you contact them first and see if they will make do on proper shipping charges.($15 max if by registered, $10 max if sent w/ insurance or not)
If they do not lower the shipping then file a complaint with ebay for the 2 reasons listed above. Ebay will side with you for the excessive shipping charge for sure. >>
Bare minimum to ship with Registered costs the shipper $15. $18-$20 is more in line for a Registered Package for only a few coins up to about $3,000 insurance.
42/92
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<< <i>Using that PCGS # IMO makes that auction void.
Steve >>
I think that using the PCGS number was, at best, misleading.
The shipping charges are excessive, and I somehow doubt that they are a mistake in calculations. Seems more like those jacked-up S&H charges on the TV ad specials that my Gramma used to fall for.
I hope that they fix your invoice - if not, I hope you tell 'em to get stuffed. You might want to invite them over to the PCGS forum as well... >>
Dont worry someone else will...... >>
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42/92
By using the term PCGS (number) they IMO gave that impression.
I have seen less confusing terms get responded with:
I thought bla bla bla.
Steve
BTW, the coin (1870 Liberty Seated H10C) looks at least as nice in the photo as any AU58 I've ever seen. I don't believe including the PCGS coin number in any way implies the coin is slabbed by PCGS. Heritage also includes the PCGS coin number in many of their lot descriptions, even when the coin is slabbed by another TPG.
Also, BTW, why would anyone pay 5% extra to bid on eBay when you can bid directly with the auction company for free?
<< <i>I've bought many lots from Goldberg over the years with no problems. The shipping was always reasonable. >>
What do you feel about this particular shipping fee??
<< <i>
<< <i>I've bought many lots from Goldberg over the years with no problems. The shipping was always reasonable. >>
What do you feel about this particular shipping fee?? >>
It is too high and if I had won that lot, I would be calling them to question why, as it must be a mistake.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>I've bought many lots from Goldberg over the years with no problems. The shipping was always reasonable. >>
What do you feel about this particular shipping fee?? >>
It is too high and if I had won that lot, I would be calling them to question why, as it must be a mistake. >>
Thank you!
<< <i>...I don't believe including the PCGS coin number in any way implies the coin is slabbed by PCGS. Heritage also includes the PCGS coin number in many of their lot descriptions, even when the coin is slabbed by another TPG... >>
Fooled me...
So what is their motivation by mentioning the PCGS number (other than keyword spamming of course)?
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
My "Fun With 21D" Die State Collection - QX5 Pics Attached
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Proud Owner of
2 –DAMMIT BOY!!! ® Awards
From lot 3922:
<< <i>Lot 3922 1843 Liberty Seated Half Dime. PCGS graded MS-63. A bold strike with light gray toning. The devices were struck with such power by the dies that all design elements show boldly including the central leaf veins and the knot tying the ribbon (PCGS # 4332). >>
The lot in question (3925):
<< <i>Lot 3925 1870 Liberty Seated Half Dime. AU-58. Lightly toned and frosty (PCGS # 4396). >>
The PCGS coin numbers are provided by the auction houses for the convenience of bidders considering adding to registry sets, among other possible reasons.
when i`m bidding on one new coin for my set ..... ahhhh, I need that PCGS # so I can figure out if that's a coin if I need for my set dude ..............
...............and one other thing dude ......, like ahhhhhh ........... alot of dude's here are telling this dude to not honor his bid !
DUDE !! that's wrong isn't it dude , like , I mean .......... shouldn't honest , reputable people always pay for auctions they win ? dude .......
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Using that PCGS # IMO makes that auction void.
Steve >>
I think that using the PCGS number was, at best, misleading.
The shipping charges are excessive, and I somehow doubt that they are a mistake in calculations. Seems more like those jacked-up S&H charges on the TV ad specials that my Gramma used to fall for.
I hope that they fix your invoice - if not, I hope you tell 'em to get stuffed. You might want to invite them over to the PCGS forum as well... >>
Dont worry someone else will...... >>
Nothing wrong with someone inviting them over here to post their side of the auction hosings....I, for one, would LOVE to hear their justification of the SHI fees and the reason they keyword spam
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
My invoice is for about 10 times yours and my shipping fee is only $22. Sounds like a glitch. Not only that, I sent in (no way ebay!) absentee bids and if they weren't honest they could have jacked my bid up by over a thousand dollars if they had gone to my max. No need for a mob just yet
As for the pcgs thing..I have no idea. I was looking at darkside only and it was pretty clear what was in an ngc slab. I have no idea why it would be of interest to have a pcgs number, but then again I have no idea why anyone would collect belly button lint or Fred Flinstone figures either.
That is way excessive IMO, is there any reasoing they give for this charge?
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>Take a deep breath, calm down and call them Monday.
My invoice is for about 10 times yours and my shipping fee is only $22. Sounds like a glitch. Not only that, I sent in (no way ebay!) absentee bids and if they weren't honest they could have jacked my bid up by over a thousand dollars if they had gone to my max. No need for a mob just yet
Smart advice although it appears too late to talk this one ( along with some others ) down from the ledge.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
Thank you for your participation in our sale 46 and 47 Ebay buyers please confirm billing and shipping address so that your account can be set up properly. Shipping prices are based on value only. Shipping price may vary due to weight or destination.
<< <i>Shipping prices are based on value only. Shipping price may vary due to weight or destination. >>
Well, there you go! It's the size of the NGC slab that's costing you. Feel better now!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
You don't and that is fine.
Just because you did not think that does not mean others couldn't.
Steve
Also, PCGS was not in the title, no slab photos were shown, and no slabbed grade was given, so I do not think that one can make the argument for keyword spamming in this case. I do not believe that the auction company was trying to deceive.
Finally, the shipping charge does seem high but is probably a mistake that can be corrected with a simple phone call.
Most of you who say that you will never buy from Goldberg's probably never have in the past and would likely not do so in the future, but I guess it is macho to pile on.
Disclosure: No relationship to the OP or the auction house. In fact, I have never bid on or purchased a coin from the Goldberg's.
Don't be tempted to look at the real world thru eBay glasses. It's two different places.
--jerry
on what some ebayers could think.
I have had buyers email me after an auction with the silliest of things that they thought
regarding my auction. We are not dealing with PHD's.
Of course I did not think the coin was slabbed. But some could.
Steve
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
<< <i>**Update** Just got off the phone with Goldbergs. Didnt catch the name of the guy I spoke to. He did say that the shipping was wrong and it would be reduced. I asked about the bid history and was told the guy who deals with the ebay stuff was out today. He asked that I email him with my concerns and call back tomorrow. They'll check it out and lower the prices based on the information. Sounds like theyre gonna make this right. >>
It should never have been wrong in the first place IMO! The reply by JCMhouston is a sure indicator that your auction was the rule and not the exception.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>How come if they put PCGS and number in their ebay ad it's ok with many here ,but if one of us small time sellers do it, it is key word spaming and our auction gets pulled? >>
Ebay "Live" auctions....different rules.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment