<< <i>Those "wet spots" are STILL present in some NGC slabs. Its been said that those are due to air bubbles. If the slabs aren't air tight you could try putting them into a clean unheated vacuum oven and see if they can be eliminated. >>
Air bubbles? I think they are just where the plastic insert touches the clear plastic shell. And since the insert is flexible, it can flex and give the impression that a "wet spot" is moving...like an air bubble. To my knowledge, no slabs on the market are air tight.
Lane
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
A few days ago, I looked at a couple dozen images of circulated coins they graded (mostly Buffalo's, Walking Liberty Halves, SLQ's & Mercury Dimes) and thought they were right on the money with their grading. As far as giving any advice about the label... The first thing I would do is remove ".com" from the front label. I think using the name in internet address form (on the front label) may cheapen the way they are perceived. Also, they may want to experiment with a semi clear insert, which (aside from being an inexpensive way to change/update the look of the slab) would also give them a variety of options (aside from white) for the label's background color.
Spotted a draped bust dollar on Ebay in a DGS slab. Placed a bid and got a notice that it was ended. The seller contaced me and said that ebay called it a counterfeit because he mentioned that it was in a holder by a new third party service that was not yet approved by ebay....
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
<< <i> I would bet that you are correct. However, why would a company enter a highly competitive market using the a product recognized by the consumer as a product that was not a market leader? Brand recognition is so very important and it does not make sense to start the game already behind. Perhaps they will prove me wrong...it wouldn't be the first time.
Lane >>
Really the only value in PCI was the brand recognition. At least PCI has a track record of being listed in the Greysheet and Bluesheet for nearly 20 years, and collectors knew the brand name with various levels of respect. (That's why there were two reincarnations of both PanAm and Braniff...and why big money was paid for bankrupt Montgomery Ward's name for a website (www.wards.com)
By the way, the lawsuit against ebay for the slab rules is going forward...the judge refused to dismiss the case, meaning that if ebay doesn't offer a cash settlement and change the rules, the case will go to trial.
It would be ironic for DLRC to have bought PCI, then have PCI allowed on ebay but not the new name that they chose!
Unless your brand name is Lee Harvey Oswald or something, even a mostly negative company name is better than a totally new one. It's easier to work a familar name as NEW! IMPROVED! BETTER! than a totally new name --- who the heII are THEY?
The new DGS name (which pulls up hundreds of listings in the coin and currency category as "Dark Green Seal") is just another of the MANY new services started after ICG...virtually all of them scam services. It's going to be a lot harder for DGS to get past the ebay ban than had they kept the PCI name.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
<< <i>The first thing I would do is remove ".com" from the front label. I think using the name in internet address form (on the front label) may cheapen the way they are perceived. >>
Probably a good idea since the website shows images of the the slabbed coins searchable by serial number...probably the best way to deal with the "fake slab/fake coin/real serial number" problem that is plaguing PCGS and NGC.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on.
They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which have nothing to do with accurately grading coins.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on.
They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
<< <i> Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Actually, Cameron, the grading of moderns is the subject MOST about promotion and marketing. Probably 99% of moderns are "as struck" or perfect under 5x (actual definitions of MS70) or have such MINUTE flaws that it shouldn't matter. But when the grading services create a demand for coins graded 70 that few can discern from 69s, then ration the grades by setting their own interpretation of 70 so strict as to create an artificially small supply supporting unconscionable high prices for very common modern trinkets -- and such artificially restricted supply and high priices FUELS the demand and SUPPORTS the high prices -- THAT is ALL pure marketing and promotion.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
They do look to be reasonably well and competently graded. We'll have to see how that holds up if the submission volume increases dramatically of course. And I agree, the labels look tacky. As long as the slabs are secure and the counterfeiting risk is low enough, I wouldn't care though. A label is a label and a coin is a coin.
For whatever it's worth, the slab looks mega cheap... even cheaper than I remember the pci slabs. The labels... well, they're amateurish. Just my opinion.
<< <i> Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Actually, Cameron, the grading of moderns is the subject MOST about promotion and marketing. Probably 99% of moderns are "as struck" or perfect under 5x (actual definitions of MS70) or have such MINUTE flaws that it shouldn't matter. But when the grading services create a demand for coins graded 70 that few can discern from 69s, then ration the grades by setting their own interpretation of 70 so strict as to create an artificially small supply supporting unconscionable high prices for very common modern trinkets -- and such artificially restricted supply and high priices FUELS the demand and SUPPORTS the high prices -- THAT is ALL pure marketing and promotion. >>
I think DGS is really missing the boat on their label and slab design. Sure, maybe they received many thousands of those slabs in the deal, but the label looks like something a coindealer designed on Microsoft Word. Their grading may be tight, which is a refreshing change, but the slab and label make the coins look cheap. The confidence they are trying to instill with their grading is not carried through on the label and that is a major problem in my opinion. They need to hire some professional help in the way of a graphic designer or AD agency to create a graphic "brand" all the way from a company logo to a slab design which reflects the confidence and quality they are apparently trying to put into their grading. It will cost them a few thousands in professional fees, but definitely worth it if they are serious about this venture.
<< <i>DGS is going to cause ANACS and ICG trouble. >>
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on. They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition. Cameron Kiefer >>
Rome wasn't built in a day. >>
I know that. They had two months to test the label and see how it looks. So three months into it here we are and thats the best they came up with.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Id be more worried about the competition you bring to the table, your on fire dude!
Hope all is well on your end, kiss the baby for me.
No recent mary kate sightings to report, but Ill be down in the meat packing district this weekend, hopefully I will catch a glimpse of miss "oh so im my dreams"
<< <i> Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Actually, Cameron, the grading of moderns is the subject MOST about promotion and marketing. Probably 99% of moderns are "as struck" or perfect under 5x (actual definitions of MS70) or have such MINUTE flaws that it shouldn't matter. But when the grading services create a demand for coins graded 70 that few can discern from 69s, then ration the grades by setting their own interpretation of 70 so strict as to create an artificially small supply supporting unconscionable high prices for very common modern trinkets -- and such artificially restricted supply and high priices FUELS the demand and SUPPORTS the high prices -- THAT is ALL pure marketing and promotion. >>
<< <i> Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Actually, Cameron, the grading of moderns is the subject MOST about promotion and marketing. Probably 99% of moderns are "as struck" or perfect under 5x (actual definitions of MS70) or have such MINUTE flaws that it shouldn't matter. But when the grading services create a demand for coins graded 70 that few can discern from 69s, then ration the grades by setting their own interpretation of 70 so strict as to create an artificially small supply supporting unconscionable high prices for very common modern trinkets -- and such artificially restricted supply and high priices FUELS the demand and SUPPORTS the high prices -- THAT is ALL pure marketing and promotion. >>
I know that. I was replying to another poster saying it sure does have to do with promotion. This is not my quote:
"Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which have nothing to do with accurately grading coins."
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My last order had multiple coins with several spots, even right next to the coin itself.
<< <i>Those "wet spots" are STILL present in some NGC slabs. Its been said that those are due to air bubbles. If the slabs aren't air tight you could try putting them into a clean unheated vacuum oven and see if they can be eliminated. >>
Air bubbles? I think they are just where the plastic insert touches the clear plastic shell. And since the insert is flexible, it can flex and give the impression that a "wet spot" is moving...like an air bubble. To my knowledge, no slabs on the market are air tight.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Dominion PR
<< <i>From the Website......
Dominion PR >>
The same crappy scan David Lawrence uses. I sure can't wait till they get their photography department up and running.
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I would bet that you are correct. However, why would a company enter a highly competitive market using the a product recognized by the consumer as a product that was not a market leader? Brand recognition is so very important and it does not make sense to start the game already behind. Perhaps they will prove me wrong...it wouldn't be the first time.
Lane >>
Really the only value in PCI was the brand recognition. At least PCI has a track record of being listed
in the Greysheet and Bluesheet for nearly 20 years, and collectors knew the brand name with various
levels of respect. (That's why there were two reincarnations of both PanAm and Braniff...and why big
money was paid for bankrupt Montgomery Ward's name for a website (www.wards.com)
By the way, the lawsuit against ebay for the slab rules is going forward...the judge refused to dismiss
the case, meaning that if ebay doesn't offer a cash settlement and change the rules, the case will go to trial.
It would be ironic for DLRC to have bought PCI, then have PCI allowed on ebay but not the new name
that they chose!
Unless your brand name is Lee Harvey Oswald or something, even a mostly negative company name
is better than a totally new one. It's easier to work a familar name as NEW! IMPROVED! BETTER! than
a totally new name --- who the heII are THEY?
The new DGS name (which pulls up hundreds of listings in the coin and currency category as "Dark Green Seal") is just another of the MANY new services started after ICG...virtually all of them
scam services. It's going to be a lot harder for DGS to get past the ebay ban than had they kept the PCI name.
<< <i>The first thing I would do is remove ".com" from the front label. I think using the name in internet address form (on the front label) may cheapen the way they are perceived. >>
Probably a good idea since the website shows images of the the slabbed coins searchable by
serial number...probably the best way to deal with the "fake slab/fake coin/real serial number"
problem that is plaguing PCGS and NGC.
<< <i>
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on.
They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which
have nothing to do with accurately grading coins.
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Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on.
They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which
have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer
been operating for such a short time.
just goes to show that grading/slabbing coins is not some amazing
stupendous thing and many in the industry can do it compentently.
just as i expected.
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Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which
have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Actually, Cameron, the grading of moderns is the subject MOST about promotion and marketing.
Probably 99% of moderns are "as struck" or perfect under 5x (actual definitions of MS70) or have
such MINUTE flaws that it shouldn't matter. But when the grading services create a demand for coins
graded 70 that few can discern from 69s, then ration the grades by setting their own interpretation
of 70 so strict as to create an artificially small supply supporting unconscionable high prices for very
common modern trinkets -- and such artificially restricted supply and high priices FUELS the demand
and SUPPORTS the high prices -- THAT is ALL pure marketing and promotion.
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<< <i>
<< <i>
Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which
have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Actually, Cameron, the grading of moderns is the subject MOST about promotion and marketing.
Probably 99% of moderns are "as struck" or perfect under 5x (actual definitions of MS70) or have
such MINUTE flaws that it shouldn't matter. But when the grading services create a demand for coins
graded 70 that few can discern from 69s, then ration the grades by setting their own interpretation
of 70 so strict as to create an artificially small supply supporting unconscionable high prices for very
common modern trinkets -- and such artificially restricted supply and high priices FUELS the demand
and SUPPORTS the high prices -- THAT is ALL pure marketing and promotion. >>
I think DGS is really missing the boat on their label and slab design. Sure, maybe they received many thousands of those slabs in the deal, but the label looks like something a coindealer designed on Microsoft Word. Their grading may be tight, which is a refreshing change, but the slab and label make the coins look cheap. The confidence they are trying to instill with their grading is not carried through on the label and that is a major problem in my opinion. They need to hire some professional help in the way of a graphic designer or AD agency to create a graphic "brand" all the way from a company logo to a slab design which reflects the confidence and quality they are apparently trying to put into their grading. It will cost them a few thousands in professional fees, but definitely worth it if they are serious about this venture.
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<< <i>DGS is going to cause ANACS and ICG trouble. >>
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on. They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition. Cameron Kiefer >>
Rome wasn't built in a day. >>
I know that. They had two months to test the label and see how it looks. So three months into it here we are and thats the best they came up with.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Id be more worried about the competition you bring to the table, your on fire dude!
Hope all is well on your end, kiss the baby for me.
No recent mary kate sightings to report, but Ill be down in the meat packing district this weekend, hopefully I will catch a glimpse
of miss "oh so im my dreams"
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
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<< <i>
Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which
have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Actually, Cameron, the grading of moderns is the subject MOST about promotion and marketing.
Probably 99% of moderns are "as struck" or perfect under 5x (actual definitions of MS70) or have
such MINUTE flaws that it shouldn't matter. But when the grading services create a demand for coins
graded 70 that few can discern from 69s, then ration the grades by setting their own interpretation
of 70 so strict as to create an artificially small supply supporting unconscionable high prices for very
common modern trinkets -- and such artificially restricted supply and high priices FUELS the demand
and SUPPORTS the high prices -- THAT is ALL pure marketing and promotion. >>
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<< <i>
Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which
have nothing to do with accurately grading coins. >>
The first one sure does have to do with grading.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Actually, Cameron, the grading of moderns is the subject MOST about promotion and marketing.
Probably 99% of moderns are "as struck" or perfect under 5x (actual definitions of MS70) or have
such MINUTE flaws that it shouldn't matter. But when the grading services create a demand for coins
graded 70 that few can discern from 69s, then ration the grades by setting their own interpretation
of 70 so strict as to create an artificially small supply supporting unconscionable high prices for very
common modern trinkets -- and such artificially restricted supply and high priices FUELS the demand
and SUPPORTS the high prices -- THAT is ALL pure marketing and promotion. >>
I know that. I was replying to another poster saying it sure does have to do with promotion. This is not my quote:
"Isn't it sad that every one of those things are MARKETING and PROMOTION concerns which
have nothing to do with accurately grading coins."
Cameron Kiefer