DGS Submission Received - Pics and Commentary
kieferscoins
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First off: PCGS.... DGS is no comeptition to you at the current time so please don't take this thread down. Read it and see.
I sent 12 coins to DGS about 2 weeks ago.....a mixture of modern, morgans and a fake 1932-D 25C. Its not a major submission but a few oddballs to see how they do.
Here are a few coins from my submission and my comments:
2006-P 5C DGC MS 65 - This coin is a GEM. Nearly mark free and a easy MS 66 FS at NGC or PCGS. Kinda tight on the grading and DGS did not give a step designation and I don't know why. A few others were graded MS 64 by DGS that should also be MS 65FS or 66FS.
1887-S $1 DGS MS 62 - Right on with the grade and I agree
1986 Statue Of Liberty $1 DGS Proof 68 DCameo - 68 is a wierd grade. Its either hairlined and a 67 or near perfect and a 69. This coin is spot free and hairline free. It should be a 69 DCAM. The label looks wierd so long in one line. DGS: put the date to the left, denomination to the right and the grade in the middle like everyone else. This is WAY too cluttered. If you are going to put more than just "Liberty" put Statue of Liberty to be gramatically correct.
1891 $1 DGS AU 58 Lightly Cleaned - It has a wipe near the date and thats why I sent it in. They saw it.
2007-D 1C DGS MS 66 RD - This coin is PL in every sense. The grade is right on but I was hoping they would do PL like NGC does.
1932-D 25C DGS Questionable Authenticity- They caught it. My only gripe is the bodybag was cut at the bottom of the flip and the coin was floating loose around the package in the polybag. It's a added mintmark coin but still.
Overall they seem to do fine with the morgans and catching the counterfeit. I won't be sending them moderns because they are too tight, dont do desingations like Full Steps of PL. The label has way too much info on the one line and needs to be fixed. Turnaround was fast but not worth $1 less in price than NGC dealer rates.
Cameron Kiefer
I sent 12 coins to DGS about 2 weeks ago.....a mixture of modern, morgans and a fake 1932-D 25C. Its not a major submission but a few oddballs to see how they do.
Here are a few coins from my submission and my comments:
2006-P 5C DGC MS 65 - This coin is a GEM. Nearly mark free and a easy MS 66 FS at NGC or PCGS. Kinda tight on the grading and DGS did not give a step designation and I don't know why. A few others were graded MS 64 by DGS that should also be MS 65FS or 66FS.
1887-S $1 DGS MS 62 - Right on with the grade and I agree
1986 Statue Of Liberty $1 DGS Proof 68 DCameo - 68 is a wierd grade. Its either hairlined and a 67 or near perfect and a 69. This coin is spot free and hairline free. It should be a 69 DCAM. The label looks wierd so long in one line. DGS: put the date to the left, denomination to the right and the grade in the middle like everyone else. This is WAY too cluttered. If you are going to put more than just "Liberty" put Statue of Liberty to be gramatically correct.
1891 $1 DGS AU 58 Lightly Cleaned - It has a wipe near the date and thats why I sent it in. They saw it.
2007-D 1C DGS MS 66 RD - This coin is PL in every sense. The grade is right on but I was hoping they would do PL like NGC does.
1932-D 25C DGS Questionable Authenticity- They caught it. My only gripe is the bodybag was cut at the bottom of the flip and the coin was floating loose around the package in the polybag. It's a added mintmark coin but still.
Overall they seem to do fine with the morgans and catching the counterfeit. I won't be sending them moderns because they are too tight, dont do desingations like Full Steps of PL. The label has way too much info on the one line and needs to be fixed. Turnaround was fast but not worth $1 less in price than NGC dealer rates.
Cameron Kiefer
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Thanks for the info.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
Man those are hidesous looking slabs/labels...just very, very blah......
Thank you for keeping us posted.
Alan
Cammie do you know anyone that works at DGS?
Cheers,
Bob
<< <i>Man those are hidesous looking slabs/labels...just very, very blah...... >>
I agree that they could do a little more with the slabs.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
Cameron Kiefer
<< <i>I know John Brush works at DL and is also working with DGS I believe. He is a competent grader and also teaches at the ANA Summer seminar the last few years. A great guy! He is the only one I know.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Hey Cammie don't you even think about working for them. No way!!
<< <i>Good post.
Thanks for the info. >>
With a few more positive reviews like this, they might be able to make a name for themselves!
TC71
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<< <i>If I recall in their promo talk, they said they would have strict grading...
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Strict Vs What? I think that means open your wallet and just start sending in coins.
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<< <i>The label has way too much info on the one line and needs to be fixed.
Cameron Kiefer >>
Thanks for the post, good info that curious minds want to know.
1. I'm not sure why they need to put "United States" before the coin designation at the top. They might of left that off as the default for US coins graded by them.
2. There are too many words on the middle line.
3. I do like the problem details in red.
These slabs looked much better when HALLMARK was embossed at the top!
Regards, John
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Thanks for the update.
Thanks! Informative and appreciated.
I agree that they may want to rethink the label design. I'm not big on the '.com' ad on the front, either.
Slabs look like PCI's.
I would think that Moderns would be a TPGs everyday bread-n-butter, & especially being a start-up that they would try to be more competative with the big two in this area.
Regards, John
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<< <i>Good post.
Thanks for the info. >>
With a few more positive reviews like this, they might be able to make a name for themselves!
TC71 >>
I agree, there is definitely room for another good TPG. Thanks for the post Cameron.
I have to agree about the label format. It needs to be easier on the eyes.
Garrow
1) Is this a net grade, or are they actually technically grading the coin correctly, then identifying the problem?
2) Do you agree with the numerical grade given to the coin?
And lastly, that is just one, plain old, butt ugly label, I am sorry to say...wait, I am not sorry to say it, because it IS a butt ugly label. I defy anyone to argue with me on THAT point (not to be taken literally).
I love the strict grading on moderns (though that means they won't have many moderns submitted... maybe they really don't want them!)
Now, I have been staring at that holder for a good long time. The top of the label, where they identify the series...it looks like an ebay subsearch, with that arrow....I thought it was butt ugly in my previous post, but I just cant take that seriously. It just looks SO amateurish. I know, buy the coin, not the plastic. THAT is going to be their problem.....they are going to be the bottom of the barrel, as far as prices realized, and if the coin is properly graded, who is going to want it in that hideous thing? All of the properly graded coins WILL wind up in PCGS/NGC plastic.....guarantee it. They were better off going in another direction. Hey, they could have always put a little sticker on coins that are PQ for the grade, and could have saved all that money on the PCI stuff....oh, wait...............
Jonathan
<< <i>DGS is going to cause ANACS and ICG trouble. >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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<< <i>Are the DGS graded coins selling well compared to ANACS and ICG coins? >>
They just started grading coins three weeks ago so it's too early to tell but if they keep doing a good job, I can see their coins selling well. Many collectors collect the coin and not the plastic.
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<< <i>DGS is going to cause ANACS and ICG trouble. >>
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on.
They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition.
Cameron Kiefer
Did you ever consider sending some World Coins to them to see their grading on non-US coins?
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<< <i>DGS is going to cause ANACS and ICG trouble. >>
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on. They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition. Cameron Kiefer >>
Rome wasn't built in a day.
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<< <i>DGS is going to cause ANACS and ICG trouble. >>
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on. They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition. Cameron Kiefer >>
Rome wasn't built in a day. >>
I know that. They had two months to test the label and see how it looks. So three months into it here we are and thats the best they came up with.
Cameron Kiefer
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<< <i>DGS is going to cause ANACS and ICG trouble. >>
Only if they change their modern grading, change their slab/label, get TV promotors to sell their coins, get ebay to approve them, get the greysheet to approve them, the list goes on. They have alot to do to make anyone worry about them as real competition. Cameron Kiefer >>
Rome wasn't built in a day. >>
I know that. They had two months to test the label and see how it looks. So three months into it here we are and thats the best they came up with. Cameron Kiefer >>
And I don't have any problem with that. 1) How much direct feedback do they really have in 2-3 months? 2) They are smart. Rather than try to have 3 or 4 generations of labels, get a large grouping of feedback and make one change.
I don't think the label is THAT bad. I would like to see the date and denomination on one line. Drop the DGS and put the grade on the next line. Not a big deal. A better font would probably look classier. This one looks cheap.
As far as the grading goes, people will compare an NGC 66 to a PCGS 65. Now they just have to add a DGS 64. Seems reasonable to me.
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You see it in NGC slabs once in a while. There is nothing more unappealing to me then that.
It gives the appearance of contamination + White is a very poor color in slabs.
If they made it clear, the overall appeal of any coin in such a slab would soar, IMHO
Nonetheless, best of luck to DGC as it will take a great, no heroic, effort on their part to be a strong competitor to ANACS and ICG and divine intervention to compete with NGC or PCGS. Let's see if eBay will accept DGC...that will foreshadow much.
Lane
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<< <i>BTW who buys stuff like that? >>
They are called "coin collectors".
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<< <i>the holder and label were a let down. It appears that little "designing" went into the label and, of course, nothing went into improving the holder. Why DGC did not design and create a new holder baffles me. While I do appreciate the capital expense associated with the venture, the "PCI holder" shape is somewhat of a numismatic scarlet letter just like if they were to adopt another, less-than-accepted company's holder as their own. >>
They may have received a decent inventory at very low prices when they purchased PCI.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>They may have received a decent inventory at very low prices when they purchased PCI. >>
I would bet that you are correct. However, why would a company enter a highly competitive market using the a product recognized by the consumer as a product that was not a market leader? Brand recognition is so very important and it does not make sense to start the game already behind. Perhaps they will prove me wrong...it wouldn't be the first time.
Lane
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<< <i>You see that "wet" look in the lower right portion of the white plastic coin holder encasment of the Morgan?
You see it in NGC slabs once in a while. There is nothing more unappealing to me then that.
It gives the appearance of contamination + White is a very poor color in slabs.
If they made it clear, the overall appeal of any coin in such a slab would soar, IMHO >>
Those "wet spots" are STILL present in some NGC slabs. Its been said that those are due to air bubbles. If the slabs aren't air tight you could try putting them into a clean unheated vacuum oven and see if they can be eliminated.