One Last Thread For Those That Have Been Bashing Me
plifter
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A lot of you guys have bashed the he11 out of me because I "don't understand grading" I'm going to prove to you that I understand more about card grading than any of you. Go to this web page below. Pay special attention to the Bonds rookie. According to Beckett, a perfect 10 Bonds rookie sold for $2,625. My point about the subjectivity is proven. Even with my alleged blind eyes I can spot the edge wear on this card. It stands right out against that black border. Case closed.
Is it really worth $2,625?
Is it really worth $2,625?
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Plifter,
Here's some very easy advice to follow. Buy the card, NOT the grade. It doesn't get any easier. I'm a PSA graded card noob and even I get that. People are going to spend what THEY want on cards. It has nothing to do with what YOU think is a fair or reasonable price. No matter how many times or how many different ways you try to sell the idea.
For someone that's apparently so bitter towards PSA (for not wanting to get involved with your Ruth Goudey) you sure do spend a lot of time posting on their boards.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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Plifter,
Here's some very easy advice to follow. Buy the card, NOT the grade.
It doesn't get any easier. I'm a PSA graded card noob and even I get that. >>
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING BUT ALL OF THE KNUCKLEHEADS ON THIS BOARD JUMP ALL OVER ME FOR POINTING OUT THE LUNACY OF PAYING $2000 FOR A CARD FROM 1983! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! I'M THE ONE THAT'S BEEN SAYING TO BUY THE CARD AND NOT THE GRADE! I REPEAT, I'M THE ONE THAT'S BEEN SAYING THAT! WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! READ MY THREAD ABOUT THE INSANITY OF GRADED CARDS!
Please cease, and take some of the advice that was given in the other thread. It will only help you, if you allow your pride to give in and accept it.
All grading companies make mistakes. We have all said that. Heck, GAI graded and holdered, a more than likely altered Goudey Ruth that you currently own. Another interesting point is that you see that chipping on the Bonds, but fail to see the obvious chipping, centering, and corner problems on your 83' Topps Gwynn that you claim is "perfect", but BGS holdered it a generously graded BGS 8.5. This is just even further proof as to what some of us already suspect about you.
I hate to be so frank, but my gosh, you are just too dang hard headed to want to learn anything, in order to better your knowledge of the grading process.
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<< <i>Weren't you going to bed about two hours ago? >>
F*#KING INSOMNIA! I'M DRUNK AND I STILL CAN'T FALL ASLEEP! HOWEVER MY RATIONAL THINKING SKILLS ARE STILL ON A HIGHER LEVEL THAN THE SOBER "EXPERTS" ON THIS FRIKKIN BOARD! GRADING IS MERELY AN OPINION FROM SOMEONE WHO MAY NOT EVEN COLLECT CARDS. DON'T PAY $2600 FOR A $20 CARD JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN A HOLDER THAT SAYS "GEM MINT".
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Plifter,
Here's some very easy advice to follow. Buy the card, NOT the grade.
It doesn't get any easier. I'm a PSA graded card noob and even I get that. >>
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING BUT ALL OF THE KNUCKLEHEADS ON THIS BOARD JUMP ALL OVER ME FOR POINTING OUT THE LUNACY OF PAYING $2000 FOR A CARD FROM 1983! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! I'M THE ONE THAT'S BEEN SAYING TO BUY THE CARD AND NOT THE GRADE! I REPEAT, I'M THE ONE THAT'S BEEN SAYING THAT! WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! READ MY THREAD ABOUT THE INSANITY OF GRADED CARDS! >>
I seriously suggest taking a few xanax and seeking some professional help first thing in the morning. The only "lunacy" going on here is in your head.
If you get this worked up over a hobby and a few pieces of cardboard, you must be a real pleasure to be around on a daily basis.
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People were fine with you and were even trying to help you out. I think you just lost that respect. Go take a time out or something.
<< <i>With every post, you are leaving out any doubt as to if you are just hard headed, or a total fool.
Please cease, and take some of the advice that was given in the other thread. It will only help you, if you allow your pride to give in and accept it.
All grading companies make mistakes. We have all said that. Heck, GAI graded and holdered, a more than likely altered Goudey Ruth that you currently own. Another interesting point is that you see that chipping on the Bonds, but fail to see the obvious chipping, centering, and corner problems on your 83' Topps Gwynn that you claim is "perfect", but BGS holdered it a generously graded BGS 8.5. This is just even further proof as to what some of us already suspect about you.
I hate to be so frank, but my gosh, you are just too dang hard headed to want to learn anything, in order to better your knowledge of the grading process.
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NO, YOU ARE THE CLOWN THAT SAID YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY $2,000 FOR A TONY GWYNN ROOKIE CARD. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S HARD HEADED BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT PSA'S OPINION IS WORTH PAYING $2000 FOR A $20 CARD! IT'S SAD TO SEE COLLECTORS DUPED INTO PAYING ABSURD PRICES FOR COMMON CARDS JUST BECAUSE SOME UNKNOWN "EXPERT" LOOKED AT IT FOR 30 SECONDS!
<< <i>Roid Rage. Lighten up man. You can have your own opinion but resorting to name calling because people dont agree with you? How ignorant are you?
People were fine with you and were even trying to help you out. I think you just lost that respect. Go take a time out or something. >>
Hey, I've been taking crap all night from people who are talking about how ignorant I am about cards and grading. I'm smart enough to realize that all you get is a quick opinion when you submit your cards for grading. I'm also smart enough to realize that the 30 second opinion isn't worth paying 100X the cards true value.
I never said I would pay $2000 for a Tony Gwynn card, I said I would pay $2000+ for a modern card if it was of a player I collect. As a matter of fact, I have done it on several occasions, just to be perfectly clear. It's my money, I wanted to, and did it. No skin off your rump, so why worry about it?
Take your drunk ace to bed, and come back when you can at least make some sense. Even when sober, most of us have a hard time understanding your conspiracies, and being drunk makes it next to impossible.
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<< <i>Roid Rage. Lighten up man. You can have your own opinion but resorting to name calling because people dont agree with you? How ignorant are you?
People were fine with you and were even trying to help you out. I think you just lost that respect. Go take a time out or something. >>
Hey, I've been taking crap all night from people who are talking about how ignorant I am about cards and grading. I'm smart enough to realize that all you get is a quick opinion when you submit your cards for grading. I'm also smart enough to realize that the 30 second opinion isn't worth paying 100X the cards true value. >>
And to think, your idea to spend 10% of your anual income, to pay $3300 for a GAI graded Goudey Ruth has continued to work you into this frenzy. All because PSA rejected it twice, and now they must be some vast conspiracy by the grading companies since they would not holder your card. If it was me, and a card got me this bent out of shape, I would just sell, take the loss, and move onto something that would be better for my mental health.
Several members have gave you advice on different routes to persue, but obviously, you are too busy on here complaining, instead of talking to GAI or trying to continue to get in touch with Joe Orlando, to see if you can get the truth as to what the exact issue is with your Goudey Ruth, that PSA did not want to holder it 2 different times.
I guess some folks just go through life half lit, and wonder why they get toasted in the end. It makes no sense, because if it was me, I would have been on that phone this past Monday, and by this week's end, I would have at least made some headway on my card and what the issues were. Instead you have wasted the week away, and still in the same boat you started in, after the first time it was submitted. It's just sad to see people do this stuff to themselves. You are hurting yourself, not us, and funny to think some of us wanted to help you in the begining. Now, I am starting to care less and less, due to the way you have handled all of this.
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<< <i>Roid Rage. Lighten up man. You can have your own opinion but resorting to name calling because people dont agree with you? How ignorant are you?
People were fine with you and were even trying to help you out. I think you just lost that respect. Go take a time out or something. >>
Hey, I've been taking crap all night from people who are talking about how ignorant I am about cards and grading. I'm smart enough to realize that all you get is a quick opinion when you submit your cards for grading. I'm also smart enough to realize that the 30 second opinion isn't worth paying 100X the cards true value. >>
A couple hints that might make all of this easier to process--
A cards 'true value' is determined by what it sells for. You-- or I, as far as that goes- might think chasing PSA 10's is a little ridiculous, but then I also think it's silly to pay four figures for a card just because the man who is pictured on it signed his name on it. Note, however, that I'm not here railing on people for collecting autographed cards, or (while I'm on the subject) cards that have a swatch of another man's shirt embedded in the card.
That brings up another interesting question: What does a man do with a game used 'Babe Ruth Pants Card' he just dropped $1500 on once it gets in the mail? Does he sit in a dark room and reverently stroke the fabric? I can hear it now: "Honey, I can feel the Babe-- I can FEEL THE BABE!!! He's right here with me!!"
Anyway, there are two larger points here that need to be made. First, the whole notion of spending enough money on a baseball card to feed a moderately sized Ugandan village for three years-- any baseball card, I don't care how old it is-- is by itself utterly irrational. And the fact that this hobby is based-- nay, sustained-- by this kind of irrationality gives rise to other peculiarities which are, for the most part, better left unexamined. Why is a rookie card worth more than a second year card? Why is a card that's produced by Topps worth more than a 'fantasy' card produced by an unlicensed manufacturer? Why do card picturing Willie Mays-- a man who is, by all accounts, one of the most insufferable men on the planet-- sell for more than those picturing Ron Santo, a man who is the absolute picture of integrity and perseverance? We could ask these questions all day and night, but guess what? We don't. And do you know why we don't? Because the rest of us 'get it'. And you, for whatever reason, apparently do not.
<< <i>Due to this thread I have now quit the hobby. >>
May not quit the hobby, but I think someone may be quitting this board unwillingly very soon.
<< <i>I agree with Leiascards- wow twice in a week! You sir are a disgrace to drumks. >>
Hey this is getting to be scary..
Answer: Because they can.
<< <i>A lot of you guys have bashed the he11 out of me because I "don't understand grading" I'm going to prove to you that I understand more about card grading than any of you. Go to this web page below. Pay special attention to the Bonds rookie. According to Beckett, a perfect 10 Bonds rookie sold for $2,625. My point about the subjectivity is proven. Even with my alleged blind eyes I can spot the edge wear on this card. It stands right out against that black border. Case closed.
Is it really worth $2,625? >>
And for even further follow up, you are showing us a 1986 Topps Traded PSA 10 Bonds. That card has never sold for $2,625. They never reached those levels, but the PSA 10 Topps Traded Tiffany did..
There was a 1986 Topps Traded Bonds BGS 10 Pristine that did sell for more than $2000 in the past, but that is a BGS 10 Pristine, not a PSA 10. Two different animals.. This shows yet again, that you are talking out of pure foolishness, and you do not even understand what you are throwing out at us. I guess your hope is that if you keep throwing conspiracies out there, one of them might stick. So far,you have yet to make that theory work.
<< <i>Question: Why does someone pay $2625 for a card?
Answer: Because they can. >>
That pretty much sums up everything..
Can't we just all get along???
Best hit ever!!!!!!
I really liked following the bouncing head for a bit -
<< <i>It stands right out against that black border. Case closed. >>
That's not edge wear my forlorned friend but rather a rough cut - graders have always made allowance for that and it's generally accepted by most.
I like your persistence tho.
What's next? Tipping cows?
mike
Ayleen Lindahl
Introduction
Cow tipping is an art in itself. It began many years ago, when a young boy of the name of Tipper decided to make a cow more comfortable as it slept. Thinking that standing while sleeping was cruel and unusual, he set out one night to give 'ol Betsy a rest. Tragically, Tipper fell into a thick cow pie as he tried making his way back to his warm bed. He ended up going to the hospital with a severe paranoia of cows. The next day, his family had a big steak dinner.
For generations after, Texans have engaged in this heightening activity. Young children dream of it during their algebra classes, the rites to passage so close and in their reach. As the 16th birthday approaches, all your peers will gather and perform this ritual with breathless anticipation.
Supplies
2 12-packs of Beer
Black clothing
Boots (Around cow pastures, wear boots that can be hosed down)
Wire cutters and a flashlight
Your friends Dave and Jerry
Setup
Drive Dave and Jerry to the pasture, hand them the beer.
Wait ten minutes for them to finish up both packs.
Help Dave from truck.
Help Dave review his lunch.
Place wire cutters in back pocket, and make sure all black clothing is being worn.
Quietly approach fence to pasture.
Ask Dave for the flashlight. Run back to truck and retrieve flashlight.
Cut fencing and wiggle through.
Stay hunkered down and try not to giggle as you approach the nearest cow.
Beam flashlight quickly into the cow's eyes. If no reaction, you are good to go. Skip ahead to Tipping the cow.
If cow bucks, sending Jerry screaming like a woman back to the truck, go on to next step.
Run after Jerry, tumble him to ground and hold hand over his mouth.
Wait 20 minutes for Farmer to look out the front door and Holler at wolves.
Find another cow, repeating the last 5 steps until you find one sleeping.
Tipping the cow
Have Dave hold the bottom of cow on one side. (Bottom of the cow is right under the ribs, and on the soft part of the belly.)
Have Jerry beside you, with both palms against cows upper back on opposite side. (See Figure 1)
Count to three, and PUSH!
Back up quickly from the cow, as its legs will fly up toward your face.
Slap high fives to Jerry and shout your success.
Find out what whimpering sound is.
With Jerry's help, pull Dave out from under the cow.
Run from farmer. (Duck when you hear shots in the air.)
Jump into the truck and speed away into the night.
Congratulations
You have successfully completed your training in Cow Tipping. You are closer to being a true Texan! The next step to your initiation is How to eat cow fries.
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I suggest nobody try it. If the cow falls on you, you will likely become deceased.
Ranchers do "tip cows" in mechanical slings, when hoof maintenance is required.
<< <i>That brings up another interesting question: What does a man do with a game used 'Babe Ruth Pants Card' he just dropped $1500 on once it gets in the mail? Does he sit in a dark room and reverently stroke the fabric? I can hear it now: "Honey, I can feel the Babe-- I can FEEL THE BABE!!! He's right here with me!!" >>
<< <i>Question: Why does someone pay $2625 for a card?
Answer: Because they can. >>
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I must be one weak bastidge @ 175 lbs
All discouraged I asked around if any of the huge guys could lift it , I didn't have any takers for a while , I guess they also did not want to be embarrased by trying until this one huge guy about 270 lbs finally did it , cost me 50 bucks and my pride to find that out .
I should have video taped it though because this guy did not just snatch it off the bar and squat it like you did , it was even heavy for him . . . I asked would I be able to lift this weight at my weight , he told me my legs would have to be as big if not bigger than my waist .
Don't ever make me do anything like this again please !
CHAZ
<< <i>Just as a pure goof , I went to the gym today and threw 500 lbs on the bar , it's bad enough I damn near got laughed right out of the place with everyone lookin at me , But I couldn't even get it off the rack !
I must be one weak bastidge @ 175 lbs
All discouraged I asked around if any of the huge guys could lift it , I didn't have any takers for a while , I guess they also did not want to be embarrased by trying until this one huge guy about 270 lbs finally did it , cost me 50 bucks and my pride to find that out .
I should have video taped it though because this guy did not just snatch it off the bar and squat it like you did , it was even heavy for him . . . I asked would I be able to lift this weight at my weight , he told me my legs would have to be as big if not bigger than my waist .
Don't ever make me do anything like this again please !
Here I am at 22 years old. I weigh 161 lbs. in this picture. That's not quite 500 lbs. on the bar. It's a mere 465 but trust me, I followed this lift with 505. I took 1st place in my weight class and won best lifter (an award for the best pound for pound lifter in the contest) I guess your gym is full of pansies.
You should've quite while you were ahead dude. You just reached Teknobaily (sorry Alan, we know you're different now) status with that outburst and have worn out your welcome now. You couldn't have honestly thought that a post about how stupid grading is on a grading card site would go over very well did you? You guys gotta learn to not take stuff so seriously, especially when the people talking crap are guys you'll never meet that live 2,000 miles away. Lesson learned brotha.
Good morning folks.
Steve
<< <i>You just reached Teknobaily (sorry Alan, we know you're different now) status with that outburst and have worn out your welcome now. >>
Alan is no different than he ever was. I am assuming you missed his most recent "episode". So, it's safe to compare this guy to Alan as they've both worn out their welcomes.
<< <i>Thank God I slept through all this.
Good morning folks.
Steve >>
Good Morning WinPitcher!!
<< <i>No one's impressed by your weight lifting BS. >>
A true girly man response.
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Reason #1 why I don't lift wheights: It's not worth looking like an idiot. And apparently you never know when someone will take a picture and post it on a web site...
Chris
My small collection
Want List:
'61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
Cardinal T206 cards
Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
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<< <i>No one's impressed by your weight lifting BS. >>
A true girly man response. >>
A true frat boy response. Get over yourself. Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Best.Post.Ever.
<< <i>This picture is only proof that you got the weights of the rack, nothing more.
Exactly.
Did you do that squat the RIGHT way? Like go down so your knees were even with your butt? and if Im not mistaken 4-45 lb plates on each side plus the bar (45 lbs) = 405.
<< <i>and if Im not mistaken 4-45 lb plates on each side plus the bar (45 lbs) = 405. >>
I was thinking the same thing!
However, he is driving me nuts with his threads on the grading game (and it is a game). Either stop buying graded cards and submitting or live with the fact that there will be inconsistencies along the line. This is all about the opinion of a grader who has past experiences to help him form his current and future opinions on cards.
J