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Here is a tough one.NT or AT?
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<< <i>This is a coin in the Bowers auction,and was purchased in auction a couple of years back.The pics are not great,and i have seen this coin in hand.My answer will come later.
If it is PCGS or NGC holdered, I'm then even more confident in my answer.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>I think the diffused lighting is making it look less natural than it actually does in-hand. My vote is NT.
Russ, NCNE >>
Russ,you are right,the coin is much brighter in hand.
strike seems very weak to me (or do I need new glasses?)
is that what limited its grade to 64?
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Though I would prefer seeing it in hand...
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the natural process of NT is a progression if intense color originated around the rim to the center, a bulls eye effect, like most other NT coins you see, this one does not seem to follow the natural progression.
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Like the Franklin the walker used the same solution in the acid bath, unlike the Morgan dollar a different process was used to clean the blank before minting, leaving less of a reactive residue.
You don't see many Franklin's like this one either?
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<< <i>Didn't Laura have this one in her inventory a few years back? If so, I examined the coin in person at the Baltimore show and weighed in on it within the thread about the coin. >>
Absolutely correct Tom.
Very well might have happened naturally due to its storage, but that still has too much wiggle room.
I agree with others that this one has to be looked at in hand and with an open mind.
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The silver just doesn't take to toning from the mint the same way as a Morgan.
The washed out colors from the first picture might indicate AT, just a guess.
Any one have any toners that come close to this?
How much was the asking price?
link to toned walkers
The 42 looks AT.
The 43 D looks NT and sold for a great price. NGC MS67 $2850.00 , but It also looks like it was scuffed up a bit, and the toning came off.
For the 43D, wouldn't the patina be deeper into the coin if it was NT, and not scuff off easily?
I have found power in the mysteries of thought.
It is always a question of knowing and seeing, and not that of believing.
Our virtues, and our failings are inseparable, like force, and matter. When they separate, man is no more.
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but it seems to have had a little help. I can't say that I have ever seen a WLH tone in this
manner before. Example: How would it obtain such vibrant Reds?
Stating that it is in a PCGS holder IMHO, means only that the graders find it acceptable.
Not too sure on this one.
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<< <i>It would be interesting to crack it out and resubmit it to see what the results would be the second time around.
As long as itis not my coin.
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<< <i>It would be interesting to crack it out and resubmit it to see what the results would be the second time around.
As long as itis not my coin. >>
Yup. Definitely a coffin coin since no one would chance cracking it out.
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like it before.
i am going to say AT for just that reason.
it really does not matter if i am right or wrong though... just reminds
me of AT ASEs... somehow stored to cause that wild toning...
Although the progression looks OK. So if it's less so in hand, then I'd change my mind
this is perhaps the best reply in the thread. the price of this coin, whatever it may be(but i'm assuming it's substantial), is 100% related to the color. looking at it from that perspective nothing would really change if it moved up/down a point, but quite a bit would change if it failed to holder due to Questionable Color. i know if it was my coin there'd be no way i'd crack it out since it resembles nothing i've seen in color pattern, intensity or overall hue. i may be the wrong person to ask but it screamed AT when i first opened the thread.
to all who are convinced it's NT, would you crack it out if you owned it??